VansHSI
join:2005-01-29
America
1 edit | reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Sprint, or Clearwire?
Tier 1 network is not defined by being a global network.
The best definition of a tier 1 network is one that can reach every other network on the Internet without purchasing IP transit.
That does not include Time Warner as they purchase transit from Sprint Nextel/Level 3. I'm not saying they have a bum network at all but they pay for transit for a reason, because they can't do it.
There is a reason why they don't offer full service based solutions to major class enterprises, because they can't do it from a national and global perspective. |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to hottboiinnc
Yep, here in Cali it will stay on the rr.com network if the destination is in the state. If not it will hop on the Level3 network for long haul. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to patcat88
That's your market. The Ohio Markets are all peered together. You should know by now that everything TWC does is by market or by state. Not my some guy sitting in NYC or VA. And TWC does do commercial web hosting. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to hottboiinnc
TWC and CC dont serve datacenters, and they don't have commercial web hosting on them, and you can't buy their bandwidth in peering hotels, and they don't sell bandwidth on 95th percentile, and even Comcast admits, and personally I've seen on traceroutes on TWC, that CC and TWC don't even link their own markets together on their internal network, I see stuff go out on my TWC modem, go onto Level 3, then onto another TWC modem in a different market. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to patcat88
Just because TWC and CC arent global doesnt mean their not a Tier1 provider in the US. they own their own network; most of their traffic stays on their network. you can easily get a fiber connection from TWC or Comcast and only take a couple hops to the Internet to where you're going.
You don't need a global network to be tier1. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to patcat88
the deals with TWC being at Sprint cell sites was an agreement well before this. Several years ago in fact when TWC started rolling out Digital Phone. And well before Clearwire is where they're are today. Everyone here bases things off the news articles and PR pages for things that happened even 2 years ago which you're not going to find in a PR that was written for a totally different product say--even 2 days ago. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
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Tier one doesn't mean you have easy fiber access in all areas, though.
For example, here is a map of the tier 1 AOL Transit Data Network (ATDN's website is hilariously outdated, so it may have changed since 2003): »www.atdn.net/images/usa.gif |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by EPS  :...and a hit for the telcos- one wonders how much they get from Sprint for T1 lines to their cell sites, which could now be replaced with cableco lines. From the PR releases, the Cable Coes wont have anything to do with Sprint except with Sprint EVDO/Sprint Voice being a backup and filling in coverage gaps with new clearwire (implying there will be dual mode Sprint CDMA/Clearwire WiMAX handsets branded for Cable Cos). I havn't seen any formal cooperation to improve Sprint CDMA network with cable cos, but Sprint has done backhaul by cable cos before
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
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join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA | reply to tc1uscg
Microwave? Are you saying they're going to use the ISM band to backhaul towers? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to hottboiinnc
Sprint is a Tier 1, TWC and Comcast aren't, so if your looking for cheap bandwidth for the new Clearwire, goto Sprint. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to EPS
Sprint already uses cable co lines. They have a deal in this area with TWC. TWC uses them for Digital Phone they use TWC for fiber. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to hottboiinnc
Yes, TWC and Comcast fiber is a big benefit here... Sprint's nationwide wired network is nothing to dismiss lightly, but in a lot of areas where TWC and Comcast are the local cable company this will make the new Clearwire's life that much easier.
...and a hit for the telcos- one wonders how much they get from Sprint for T1 lines to their cell sites, which could now be replaced with cableco lines. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to tc1uscg
Clearwire already uses Microwave at many of their locations. but it can only handle so much. But with TWC and Comcast they can drop fiber direct to the tower and avoid costs to all LECs no matter who it is. The key to this would be to make a good share of the network hard wired and all go into those locations where Fiber is not an option direct to the Tower by microwave with that the network should not have a problem.
But with the microwave- it only goes so far as well. Especially when Clearwire's service is so spread out. |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| reply to hottboiinnc
Don't forget backhaul to the tower is one of the holdups. T1's to the tower can't handle the load for the speeds promised. Microwave will not only bypass this hurdle, but avoid costs for access charges, something that will drive down VZ AND AT&T's earnings even more. Sprint already has lots of backbone to handle the load and speed, it's the last mile that will cause the speed bump. That appears to have been a issue since the planning stages of WiMAX. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to desreversti
the thing is now they have money from the two largest cable companies and access to a TON of fiber for backhaul and to the 'net. Speeds should not be a problem since with TWC they still have access to Level3, and the ADTN (AOL Network), and Comcast as their own peering network. Speeds should be great with the new money and the backhaul without a problem.
But Bit and P2P will have a clause in the AUP/TOS you can bet on that. |
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desreversti
join:2002-09-03
San Antonio, TX
| reply to EPS
I also do hope that Sprint's consumer-friendly data policies do transfer over. One of my current roommates had Clearwire when he lived in Copperas Cove, TX. Although it started off decently, the speeds started to plummet drastically after the first month and the connection constantly dropped. Hopefully those problems won't exist in the "new" Clearwire, but I'm not raising my hopes. |
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