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| [Vista] Installing Recovery Console After SP1
I have a few questions which hopefully someone will be able to answer:
1) How does one install the recovery console to a hard drive from the Vista Ultimate disc? I thought it had been loaded by a friend of mine who did the initial OS install of my new PC a few weeks ago but apparently not. I'd like to have the console option available on my HD should it be necessary to use.
2) I installed SP1 last week and recall when I went to load the recovery console off my old Win XP Pro disc on my last system, the installation wouldn't proceed: a message stated the files were too old on the disc due to my running XP Pro SP2. Would the same thing occur since I'm now running Vista SP1?
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| 1. Vista does not have a "Recovery Console" to install.
(You can create a bootable "WinPE" CD that comes close, but you cannot add it as a boot menu item as you can in XP.)
2. The XP Recovery Console can be installed on Service Pack 2 by creating an XP "slipstream" CD; or by following my Article here on an alternative (and much easier and faster) method here:
Add Recovery Console To Windows XP -- Now!
»aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=31844#p179948
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"Recovery Console" has thankfully been retired. Just boot off your Vista DVD, choose repair, and you will have the option to go to a full command prompt. |
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DOStradamus
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Recovery Console has been replaced by Recovery Environment
AND IT IS GREAY!!
Your post "goosed me on" to find out for myself WITH the install command for it is...SO FAR:
You ought to get the Windows Automated Installation Ket ISO
Search at MS Technet for "Vista AIK" I'm downloading it now.
Links of interest:
Work with Windows PE:
»technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVi···mfr=true
Walkthrough: Deploy a Windows RE Image on Hard Drive
»technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVi···mfr=true
There's a lot more work, but lots more you can do...
"Ill Be Back" As I proceed onward...
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| Wait till you discover that all the Vista image handling tools work fine with XP images too.
You can create a WIM of your installed XP and preserve it. You can install the WIM and modify it, and save all changes by re-saving the WIM.
Finally, you can use WAIK to create a WinPE disk, or, just download it already done. Microsoft has made ISOs available and several sites host them (with permisssion):
e.g. »neosmart.net/blog/2008/windows-v···ownload/
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| said by bcastner  :Wait till you discover that all the Vista image handling tools work fine with XP images too. Access any NTFS partition, without the Admin password!!
Looks to me like it is based on the Server CORE command-line interfacee..
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| I can access any member of the NT family without an administrator password without making any changes to the system. And so could anyone else.
Security ends where the CD drive or floppy drive starts. If I can boot the machine with something other than the Hard Drive installation, the machine is 0wn3d.
This has always been true.
As for the WinPE interface being based on Server Core for Win2k8, that is simply not true. Server core is completely PowerShell based. WinPE is not.
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| said by bcastner :Server core is completely PowerShell based. Just loaded one to see. STD CORE gives me "goodle" cmd.exe as my shell.
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| I am not sure the point you are trying to make. PowerShell is not a shell.
However, it is the basis for everything in server core. All of what you see in standard core is powershell based, and any extensions are powershell scripts.
It is absolutely not WinPE based in any way, shape or form. |
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| said by bcastner :PowerShell is not a shell. Microsoft says otherwise.
From: »www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2···ult.mspx
"Microsoft Windows PowerShell command line shell and scripting language..."
said by bcastner :However, it is the basis for everything in server core. All of what you see in standard core is powershell based Everything that I see that I had at a command prompt in 2k3 Server, or also available in Vista, has been re-written as powershell scripts??
said by bcastner :...and any extensions are powershell scripts. Can you share a little of your "smoke"  , or, at least provide a link...
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| quote:
Microsoft Windows PowerShell command line shell and scripting language..."
You take that to mean it is like Explorer?
Unbelievable. Microsoft has several scripting consoles; in XP likely the two best known are NETSH.EXE and WMIC. But that is far cry from Explorer.exe.
The point is that Server Core is not intended to be managed at the Cosole. What is there is right now all built on Command Prompt. You have to have something at the start. I do not know of any Win2k8 admin that regularly uses the console. The administration is all done remotely, as Microsoft intended. For management of server core remotely, the emphasis is PowerShell. That is where all the development effort is being made, and that is how remote management is being done in the real world now.
To me it is unambiguous that older technologies such as WHS are deprecated. The original plan with Vista was to make this formal, but that plan was dropped. The original plan for Win2k8 was to not host PowerShell at the console, but this plan too was changed because of demand, as Microsft announced in December.
All I can suggest to you if you have not downloaded and started to play with and learn PowerShell, is that a lot of administration tasks on server core are going to prove difficult to impossible without it.
My original claims still stand: that Win2k8 console is not related in any way to WinPE; and that PowerShell is the basis for actual administration of server core, and its dominance over any other contender for remote administration has long been decided.
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| said by bcastner :You take that to mean it is like Explorer? NO. However, like DOS' COMMAND.COM, Windows' CMD.EXE, Unix/Linux BASH, and Cygwin's BASH shell that runs on Win32. All these have one obvious thing about them in common -- they are "shells". Only in the Windows "world" is a GUI called a "shell",
said by bcastner : I do not know of any Win2k8 admin that regularly uses the console. The administration is all done remotely, as Microsoft intended. For management of server core remotely, the emphasis is PowerShell. I actually _prefer_ doing stuff from a command prompt, whether locally or remotely. As MS wrote more-and-more command-line admin tools over the last 7 years, I had hoped for a "full set" someday... Server 2008's release marked that day.
and... GOTCHA!
Microsoft says that "Server Core has no support for managed code (.NET Framework).
The PowerShell "Getting Started Guide" says:
Windows PowerShell is built on top of the .NET common language runtime (CLR) and the .NET Framework, and accepts and returns .NET objects.
Therefore: PowerShell CANNOT be run on a Server Core installation.
Do you even use Server 2008? I have been running it as the OS on my "main box" since I got RC3 last ywar. |
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| At the moment, PowerShell cannot be run from the Console. This will be added, as Microsoft announced in late December, 2007.
Lets stay on task here. Windows 2008 is not intended to be managed from Console sessions; but remotely. There is absolutely no issue with installing and using PowerShell remotely; and in fact, that is how it is done by professional server administrators.
I do not intend to participate any further in this discussion, as it is way off-topic. Your quibbles about what is a "shell", and your notion of Windows Server 2008, are so at odds with terms of art, and terms of practice for Administration of Windows Server 2008 that trying to close that gap through Forum posts is an impossible task.
I wish you good luck with Windows Server 2008. It is a great product.
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said by djrobx :"Recovery Console" has thankfully been retired. Just boot off your Vista DVD, choose repair, and you will have the option to go to a full command prompt. I forgot to ask this: my system is set to boot from the HD. Do I need to go into the BIOS and set the machine to boot from the CD/DVD drive if and when I might need to use the recovery features on the Vista install disc?
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| said by scelli :I forgot to ask this: my system is set to boot from the HD. Do I need to go into the BIOS and set the machine to boot from the CD/DVD drive if and when I might need to use the recovery features on the Vista install disc? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Depends on your BIOS. Many have an option where you can press F11, F12, or F8 to get a "boot menu" so you can pick the CD drive without changing the setup. |
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