Re: [Leo] Maintenance in All things Macintosh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20449096 en Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:12:45 EDT Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:12:45 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468678 elias : Also, per ThinkDiff's screenshot, if you check where it says "Clicking" then you can tap the trackpad to click, or tap with two fingers at the same time for a right-click. It's actually very fast and easy. I'd say it's easier to right-click that way than to have to press a separate right-click button like on PC laptops.
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I have a Macbook.
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It seems like what I used to be able to right click, now I have to either click and use the top menu (File, Edit....) or learn the Mac "Command + ???" to get something I was able to get with the "right click"

Beyond that.
I love my Mac. AND... I am slowly learning the commands....

Since I was/am used to doing maintance to a Windows computer, I need to learn that this isn't so much needed with Macs.

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Macs are awesome!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466738 Sun, 11 May 2008 19:36:59 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459794 elias :
said by Dominokat See Profile :

said by elias See Profile :

The computer is supposed to work for you, not the other way around.
Yea I am getting that.
I've considered my Windows machine pretty maintenance free. But with a small glitch. I have to at least run a program or two to keep it that way.
At the very least, AV software that needs updating and that consumes resources running in the background. Antispyware and the like which also need updating and consume resources in the background. Then come apps like CCleaner (great app, by the way), which clean all sorts of little temp files and clean the Registry. That, and over time Windows machines do get progressively slower unless (unless you're someone that only uses MS Word or something).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459794 Fri, 09 May 2008 23:28:04 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458898 Dominokat :
said by elias See Profile :

The computer is supposed to work for you, not the other way around.
Yea I am getting that.
I've considered my Windows machine pretty maintenance free. But with a small glitch. I have to at least run a program or two to keep it that way.
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said by Dominokat See Profile :

Wow....
It looks like the consensus is that I don't need to do a thing.
I like that option. I run a "cleaner" almost weekly on my Windows machine to keep it happy.
I like that "low maintenance" thing that I am getting from you all about Macs.
The computer is supposed to work for you, not the other way around.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458515 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:25:08 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20453921 Dominokat : Wow....
It looks like the consensus is that I don't need to do a thing.
I like that option. I run a "cleaner" almost weekly on my Windows machine to keep it happy.
I like that "low maintenance" thing that I am getting from you all about Macs.
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said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

Most of the time, using the Windows Remove programs thing doesn't even remove the entire program. There's the whole registry thing as well.
On a one-month-old Windows system with nothing but the corporate standard packages, I've been unable to get a necessary application to fully install. Apparently it uses Macrovision's "lmgrd" license server which would not start properly and thus preventing the complete application from installing. Repeatedly.

Doing the Windows Add/Remove accomplished nothing that I see except removing the icon from the Start Menu. All the files were left and two dozen registry entries were left. Despite the "uninstall", "lmgrd" would crash immediately upon every restart, so it definitely was never removed. I couldn't manually delete the program's directories because some parts were always in use.

Finally after about 90 minutes of searching the Registry for terms I knew were related and deleting all the keys it would let me delete, I was able to remove all traces and re-install the thing. This time it worked.

said by Thinkdiff See Profile :

I much prefer Apple's implementation of just dragging the application to the trash.
Absolutely!!!
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said by cableties See Profile :

Because OS X is based on Unix, there are daily/weekly/monthly scripts that you can run to clean up, logs to clean/roll, caches to clean, permission repairs (after software installs), ...
Which OS X does completely on it's own and automatically.

said by cableties See Profile :

Another nifty app is AppZapper. You drag the program you are going to install ontop and it builds a db of the app so if you want to uninstall it later, its pretty painless.
(something Windows has over Apple with Add/Remove software. However, some Apple vendors do use packages and make it easy to drag and drop in Applications folder. Others, e.g. Adobe, make you want to just Archive & Install a new OS!) :p
I don't see how having a necessary Add/Remove programs system is an advantage. Most of the time, using the Windows Remove programs thing doesn't even remove the entire program. There's the whole registry thing as well. I much prefer Apple's implementation of just dragging the application to the trash. For the applications that require a bit more clean up, they usually come with their own uninstallers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452316 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:36:58 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451476 cableties : I prefer Cocktail or MainMenu.
Cocktail is shareware but MainMenu is free.

Because OS X is based on Unix, there are daily/weekly/monthly scripts that you can run to clean up, logs to clean/roll, caches to clean, permission repairs (after software installs), ...

Another nifty app is AppZapper. You drag the program you are going to install ontop and it builds a db of the app so if you want to uninstall it later, its pretty painless.
(something Windows has over Apple with Add/Remove software. However, some Apple vendors do use packages and make it easy to drag and drop in Applications folder. Others, e.g. Adobe, make you want to just Archive & Install a new OS!) :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451476 Thu, 08 May 2008 12:47:17 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451458 N3OGH : I use a program called Mac Janitor to rotate the logs and clean things up.

Any time I install an update to the OS, I always repair disk permissions. I know it's not necessary, but I lead a boring life, so I need something to generate some excitement....
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You really don't have to do anything. My MacBook Pro ran Tiger for a year and it never got slower.

I'm now on Leopard and don't find it getting slower in any way.

I do have Onyx in case I want to make a small tweak (it lets you see a few hidden options), but I do have everything pretty close to default.
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some might like this stuff to be left, in case they want to reinstall the program one day, they have their same Preferences. I personally, if i delete an app, chances are its not coming back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451023 Thu, 08 May 2008 11:26:37 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449793 bbarrera :
said by Dominokat See Profile :

In other words, how do I keep the system working at its full potential? Or does it even matter?
Disks get slow when they fill up (any OS). Outside that if you experience anything strange then I recommend forcing various system checks by doing a safe boot (hold S key while booting).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449793 Thu, 08 May 2008 02:38:40 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449784 jayco437 : Or you can disable your dashboard if you don't use it. Onyx should let you do this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449784 Thu, 08 May 2008 02:34:24 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449629 Eddyisgreat : I hate to admit it but i still follow the tried and true 6 month reinstall method.

- chill out fan boi's and girl's, i have my reasons, and I don't recommend it for everyone -

See , my issue is that i have no problems installing lots and lots of useless junk and utilities which commendeer my startup folder and my home folder becomes a mess also.

I customize my installations now, so I make sure I have a lean config.

Just don't install anything trivial or you think you won't need, and keep your dashboard nice n' trimmed. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449629 Thu, 08 May 2008 01:23:39 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449291 ArchAngel21x : It's been my understanding that the only time you should bother with repairing disk permissions is when you are having problems or when you installed an update with software update.
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(did I just say that?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449261 Wed, 07 May 2008 23:39:16 EDT Re: [Leo] Maintenance http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449110 Zyncotl : Check out a program called Onyx. It'll automate some basic practices like repairing disc permissions and some other items.

Also when you remove a program from the applications folder you've uninstalled the program but haven't cleaned up after it completely. Check under the User ~ Library folder and User ~ Library ~ Application Support folder to clear out a few unneeded files after deletion.
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Now, ANOTHER question.
With Windows, a user had to often "clean" the registry and/or other files to keep the system working.
I assume this isn't needed with Macintosh systems?
So, how does the system cope with programs installed and uninstalled, and other things that normaly would effefct WINDOWS users?
In other words, how do I keep the system working at its full potential? Or does it even matter? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449042 Wed, 07 May 2008 23:01:33 EDT