Re: M-cards with FiOS. in Verizon FIOS TV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20451484 en Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:57:14 EDT Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:57:14 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20866002 majortom64 : Still no joy here in Redondo Beach, CA, and no indication as to when they will get them. I have several TiVo HD receivers here, just waiting for m-cards so I can sign up and pay only once for installing my system. :-(

/carmi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20866002 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:21:36 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860496 Tollhouse :
said by MacLeech See Profile :

Are they available from Verizon separately yet?
They should be. The deployment dates we were given showed them as the earliest you should have been able to ask for one and get it being sometime back in june.

However, I thinkt he only areas getting them right now upon request is near ?tidewater?... not 100% sure on that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860496 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:40:42 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860362 dpridgen :
said by Tollhouse See Profile :

you should be able to get one soon. just got a print-out today here in training that shows the QIP7100 and QIP7216 both having M cards as 'standard' equipment. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to get on eat this point.

we were informed that as of the 15th of July, they were considered to be 'fully deployed'.
Fully deployed? I just got FiOS TV installed on the 23rd of July and I got a 6416.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860362 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:13:31 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860338 MacLeech :
said by Tollhouse See Profile :

you should be able to get one soon. just got a print-out today here in training that shows the QIP7100 and QIP7216 both having M cards as 'standard' equipment. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to get on eat this point.
The QIP7100 and QIP7216 ship with M-Cards preinstalled by Motorola.

Are they available from Verizon separately yet?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860338 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:07:48 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860192 Tollhouse : you should be able to get one soon. just got a print-out today here in training that shows the QIP7100 and QIP7216 both having M cards as 'standard' equipment. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to get on eat this point.

we were informed that as of the 15th of July, they were considered to be 'fully deployed'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860192 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:38:35 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20858983 Telcoguru : I checked with 3 different stockrooms and no one has received M-cards yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20858983 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:16:38 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816657 anon : Well analogs have been shut off here now and it's past that July 15th date..I'd really like to pay for 1 M-card instead of 2 S-cards for my TiVo HD...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816657 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:04:01 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20809263 Telcoguru : I'll ask around and see if anyone has gotten them yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20809263 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:25:27 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20807812 majortom64 : Do you know if they are available yet?

/carmi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20807812 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:49:23 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739670 ENFiOS : deleted]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739670 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:16:45 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739046 Telcoguru : Verizon just started to test them in the last few weeks and should be available to customers very soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739046 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:33:53 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738257 majortom64 : TelcoGuru: From where whom did you hear that July date? I would like to know if I should call them to arrange installation soon. :-)

/carmi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738257 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:36:28 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20609722 Telcoguru : I hear that M-cards will tentatively be available after July 15, 2008.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20609722 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:06:38 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20559662 majortom64 : When in June? I can wait a week or two, for the savings, but if it is not until the end of June, I will have to think about it.

/carmi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20559662 Thu, 29 May 2008 18:14:47 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499198 mapper : If the Multichannel.com article is true, then we will be seeing the DCX series look on the new QIP boxes(which is very nice.) The reason the new boxes have to be deployed is because the waiver that Verizon got was only for ONE year. So beginning July 2008, Verizon will HAVE to begin distributing these M-Card/IP enabled regardless of the analog shutdown. The analog shutdown only bought them time for the 2400 SD boxes. Those do not require CableCARDs at this time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499198 Sat, 17 May 2008 19:22:25 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494788 eric87m : Damn would it kill them to make the front panel less fugly in a redesign?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494788 Fri, 16 May 2008 18:09:08 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20489402 matcarl : I found a story on the new boxes

»www.multichannel.com/article/CA6···topstory]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20489402 Thu, 15 May 2008 19:34:29 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480890 nycdave : JPL, the new 7100-series will have CAS - hence the 'non-removable' CableCard that will be in the 7100-series boxes. The 7100-series will be priced the same as the 6XXX-series. There will be no extra charge for the CableCard since it is not user-replaceable.

The main reason the 7100-series is being introduced is the CAS requirement. And the FCC granted Verizon a CAS waiver due to the analog elimination that is going on this year...

I don't have any other information on the next generation of the Moto boxes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480890 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:55:18 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480608 JPL :
said by Fibertekh See Profile :

Verizon is far from exempt of FCC regulations. And you are referring to the DCH boxes.. I have one from Cox and it does the same thing all the other boxes do... plays TV shows and records. The only real reason for provider's upgrading hardware is due to manufacturer support cycles, regulations, and occasionally minor performance changes (note the RAM upgrade). The STB upgrade does not necessarily entail anything on the service is going to change.. again with the DCH I still have the same craptastic Pioneer guide and the same craptastic Cox-compressed-to-hell HD picture. And as far as features go.. with the exception of the added eSata port.. not much is different. To answer your original question though :) Yes motorola has started to ween out the 6416s -- go to comcast or cox (again.. GRRR with their crapHD) chances are you wont get a 6416 if you pick up a DVR
I must be having a hard time making myself understood today or something - I never said that their service would change by moving to these boxes. Just that the COST might go up. Right now I just need the 6416 without a cable card. If I go to get a new DVR from Verzion, and if I'm now required to get a cable card on top of that box, I'm going to pay more for the exact same service. That's what I'm getting at.

I'll admit that I'm not familiar enough with the 7100 to know if you can get around the need for a cable card or not. I'm guessing that you can't (but I may be wrong).

As others have pointed out Verizon has an exemption through July 2009. I agree with the fact that it's only a temporary exemption. I guess my question is - why are they moving to THIS series? I see no advantage to it. Why not move to the next gen moto box that's coming out real soon? I also remember that last year Verizon took bids in response to an RFP they submitted for a new STB. I'm guessing that that will be the next gen box (whichever it is) that Verizon moves to. I would imagine that they could get those boxes out there by July of next year. So I come back to the same question - why the 7100 series? The only reason I could think of is reduced supply of the 6200 series. If that's true, the Verizon really has no choice. I guess I was just trying to understand if that was really the case or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480608 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:06:13 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480552 MacLeech : You won't get a DCT 6416 because FCC regulations MANDATED all new boxes purchased by MSOs after July of 2007 had separable security (CableCARD) for all providers except those with EXEMPTIONS, which Verizon temporarily has.

See this:
»www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/fc···request/

That is the reason Moto started seriously pushing the DCH boxes and SciAtl is pushing their C series boxes. There's no real sustainable market for the non-CableCARD boxes in the U.S. anymore.

The amount of used boxes AVAILABLE without CableCARD is decreasing through attrition and is nowhere near high enough to supply new customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480552 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:56:42 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480503 Fibertekh : Verizon is far from exempt of FCC regulations. And you are referring to the DCH boxes.. I have one from Cox and it does the same thing all the other boxes do... plays TV shows and records. The only real reason for provider's upgrading hardware is due to manufacturer support cycles, regulations, and occasionally minor performance changes (note the RAM upgrade). The STB upgrade does not necessarily entail anything on the service is going to change.. again with the DCH I still have the same craptastic Pioneer guide and the same craptastic Cox-compressed-to-hell HD picture. And as far as features go.. with the exception of the added eSata port.. not much is different. To answer your original question though :) Yes motorola has started to ween out the 6416s -- go to comcast or cox (again.. GRRR with their crapHD) chances are you wont get a 6416 if you pick up a DVR ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480503 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:44:24 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480487 matcarl : I could be wrong, but weren't they only exempt until July 2009? If so, then they have to start introducing the other boxes sometime.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480487 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:40:06 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480422 JPL :
said by nycdave See Profile :

said by JPL See Profile :

Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Why exactly would Verizon go with the 7100 series? They're exempt from the FCC requirement for providing seperable security in their STBs. It just seems to me that this would do nothing but drive up the cost of the STBs (needing a cable card in addition to the box itself). Aside from the increased RAM, I see no benefit with going this route. I would figure that Verizon would at least move to the next generation of STBs. Motorola has one coming out - called the DCX series, I believe. Looks like a comprehensive, fully loaded box.
JPL, the 7100-series is not exempt from FCC requirements - they have separable CAS - hence the M-Card in the CableCard slot...
No... you misunderstood what I wrote. Actually - just reread what I wrote - I initially wrote it badly. I meant to say that VERIZON is exempt from the requirement that their STBs have separable security. I understand that the 7100 series is compliant with the FCC mandate, but my question is - given the fact that Verizon is exempt from having to use STBs with separable security, why in the world are they moving to this series? I just see no benefit, unless Motorola is no longer making the 6416.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480422 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:28:11 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480233 nycdave :
said by JPL See Profile :

Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Why exactly would Verizon go with the 7100 series? They're exempt from the FCC requirement for providing seperable security in their STBs. It just seems to me that this would do nothing but drive up the cost of the STBs (needing a cable card in addition to the box itself). Aside from the increased RAM, I see no benefit with going this route. I would figure that Verizon would at least move to the next generation of STBs. Motorola has one coming out - called the DCX series, I believe. Looks like a comprehensive, fully loaded box.
JPL, the 7100-series is not exempt from FCC requirements - they have separable CAS - hence the M-Card in the CableCard slot...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480233 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:51:00 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480116 MacLeech :
said by Frank See Profile :

said by MacLeech See Profile :

said by proletarian See Profile :

7100 (hd) and 7216(hd dvrs) boxes have been deployed. these boxes are the new "seperable security" boxes. basically, the same moto set tops but they use m cards to authorize them.
Nevermind I found them... they look like slight updates to the 6200 series with CableCARD added.

Couldn't find any actual processor, memory, or drive specs though.
care to post a link? i'd like to check out the manual for qip7100 but havent been able to find it.
I got it from here:
»https://businessonline.motorola.com

Need to have a valid login though. ;-)

Your not missing much, the user's guide is VERY similar to the 6200 guide, with slight editing:
»broadband.motorola.com/consumers···uide.pdf]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480116 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:23:38 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480102 JPL : Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Why exactly would Verizon go with the 7100 series? They're exempt from the FCC requirement for providing seperable security in their STBs. It just seems to me that this would do nothing but drive up the cost of the STBs (needing a cable card in addition to the box itself). Aside from the increased RAM, I see no benefit with going this route. I would figure that Verizon would at least move to the next generation of STBs. Motorola has one coming out - called the DCX series, I believe. Looks like a comprehensive, fully loaded box.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480102 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:19:53 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479534 Frank :
said by MacLeech See Profile :

said by proletarian See Profile :

7100 (hd) and 7216(hd dvrs) boxes have been deployed. these boxes are the new "seperable security" boxes. basically, the same moto set tops but they use m cards to authorize them.
Nevermind I found them... they look like slight updates to the 6200 series with CableCARD added.

Couldn't find any actual processor, memory, or drive specs though.
care to post a link? i'd like to check out the manual for qip7100 but havent been able to find it.
--
At first I thought everyone on the highway was drunk but then I realized I was driving in Florida ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479534 Wed, 14 May 2008 04:00:10 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470675 nycdave :
said by as2higpark See Profile :

said by samebox :

new esata port.
...any idea if this might mean it'll be active?
Yes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470675 Mon, 12 May 2008 15:53:12 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470615 as2higpark :
said by samebox :

new esata port.
...any idea if this might mean it'll be active?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470615 Mon, 12 May 2008 15:41:25 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470315 anon : double the ram, same 160gb hd, new esata port.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470315 Mon, 12 May 2008 14:50:53 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469798 MacLeech :
said by proletarian See Profile :

7100 (hd) and 7216(hd dvrs) boxes have been deployed. these boxes are the new "seperable security" boxes. basically, the same moto set tops but they use m cards to authorize them.
Nevermind I found them... they look like slight updates to the 6200 series with CableCARD added.

Couldn't find any actual processor, memory, or drive specs though.

User guide cover
Click for full size
7200 back panel
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469798 Mon, 12 May 2008 13:06:18 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468817 jankm :
said by as2higpark See Profile :

Nice, bigger HDs I am assuming?
If the model is 7216 that tells me it has a 160gb HD. When I had Comcast I had a 6212 (120gb) that was later upgraded to a 6216 (160gb). I'm assuming they are using the same numbering system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468817 Mon, 12 May 2008 09:33:48 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468790 as2higpark :
said by matcarl See Profile :

said by as2higpark See Profile :

Will these be replacing (God I hope) the 6200 series boxes?
After the July IMG patch they will be upgrading them on repair visits.
Nice, bigger HDs I am assuming?

note to self...smash 6200 box with hammer once confirmed they are released]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468790 Mon, 12 May 2008 09:21:47 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468779 matcarl :
said by as2higpark See Profile :

Will these be replacing (God I hope) the 6200 series boxes?
After the July IMG patch they will be upgrading them on repair visits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468779 Mon, 12 May 2008 09:16:06 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468768 as2higpark :
said by proletarian See Profile :

7100 (hd) and 7216(hd dvrs) boxes have been deployed. these boxes are the new "seperable security" boxes. basically, the same moto set tops but they use m cards to authorize them.
Anyone have links to specs on the new boxes? Will these be replacing (God I hope) the 6200 series boxes?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468768 Mon, 12 May 2008 09:13:10 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468761 nycdave : MD - Manufacturer Discontinued]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468761 Mon, 12 May 2008 09:09:54 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467387 EMC2 : Production has been discontinued on the S-cards........]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467387 Sun, 11 May 2008 22:06:39 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467176 almahix :
said by nycdave See Profile :

said by proletarian See Profile :

7100 (hd) and 7216(hd dvrs) boxes have been deployed. these boxes are the new "seperable security" boxes. basically, the same moto set tops but they use m cards to authorize them.
The 7000-series boxes are coming, but they are not officially deployed yet.

And the M-cards are in the field being tested in some new customer installations. The S-cards have been MD'd by Moto.
What does MD'd mean?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467176 Sun, 11 May 2008 21:23:59 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460595 nycdave :
said by proletarian See Profile :

7100 (hd) and 7216(hd dvrs) boxes have been deployed. these boxes are the new "seperable security" boxes. basically, the same moto set tops but they use m cards to authorize them.
The 7000-series boxes are coming, but they are not officially deployed yet.

And the M-cards are in the field being tested in some new customer installations. The S-cards have been MD'd by Moto.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460595 Sat, 10 May 2008 08:12:29 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454682 proletarian : 7100 (hd) and 7216(hd dvrs) boxes have been deployed. these boxes are the new "seperable security" boxes. basically, the same moto set tops but they use m cards to authorize them. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454682 Fri, 09 May 2008 00:01:58 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451484 CurGeorge8 :
said by mcardsarecoming :

m cards are coming in june.
I'll believe it when I see it. When I got my tivo hooked up in dec 07 the installer said we'd have M cards by Jan.

It's May and I'm still using two S cards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451484 Thu, 08 May 2008 12:48:10 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449547 anon : m cards are coming in june. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449547 Thu, 08 May 2008 00:51:21 EDT Re: M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442413 Hajman : Verizon does not supply m-cards at this time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442413 Tue, 06 May 2008 20:59:00 EDT M-cards with FiOS. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442301 majortom64 : Does anyone have an M-card for use with FiOS (ideally in Redondo Beach)? I was told by the person on the phone that I would be receiving 2 M-cards for my two TiVo HD boxes, but I am not that confident.

/carmi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442301 Tue, 06 May 2008 20:32:34 EDT