Topic '26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July?' in forum 'Verizon FIOS TV' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20451550 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:43:11 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:43:11 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20501616 said by afiggatt:

said by MagScribe:

The issue with Seinfeld and Trek (TNG, DS9 and Voyager) is that they were shot on film, but edited on video tape. Allegedly, the original film still exists, but the shows would need to be completely rebuilt — and in the case of ST, may need new effects.

Until it become financially worth it — I wouldn't expect any such series in HD any time soon. Eventually, it will be worth it when the vast majority of TVs are HD. But I assume it will be a decade or more before that happens.
Seinfeld has been redone and redited in HD, despite having originally been edited on videotape. This is from people who work in the industry who post to avsforum. Seinfeld is a very valuable property, so the studio obviously thought it was worthwhile to future proof the show by remastering it in HD.
I didn't know that, but it makes more sense, as Seinfeld would be the more valuable property and require less work to transition to HD. I do expect the Trek series to ultimately be redone, as the Original Series was done, with all-new effects.

Older shows, obviously, with original masters of their episodes, will be much easier to upconvert, assuming they were shot on film — all of the old video tape sit-coms, though, would take a ton of video processing to look decent — but I suppose someone will try.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20501616 Sun, 18 May 2008 12:45:00 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20501471 said by MagScribe:

The issue with Seinfeld and Trek (TNG, DS9 and Voyager) is that they were shot on film, but edited on video tape. Allegedly, the original film still exists, but the shows would need to be completely rebuilt — and in the case of ST, may need new effects.

Until it become financially worth it — I wouldn't expect any such series in HD any time soon. Eventually, it will be worth it when the vast majority of TVs are HD. But I assume it will be a decade or more before that happens.
Seinfeld has been redone and redited in HD, despite having originally been edited on videotape. This is from people who work in the industry who post to avsforum. Seinfeld is a very valuable property, so the studio obviously thought it was worthwhile to future proof the show by remastering it in HD.

Which older TV shows get redone in HD will depend on the quality of the film stock, popularity of the show, and the cost of remastering it (edited on film versus edited on videotape, any special effects that have to redone). Obscure 1 season and done TV shows will likely never be redone in HD unless there is a fanatical fan base. But a number of older TV shows have already been shown in HD: Hogans Heroes, Charlies Angels, Quantum Leap, Northern Exposure (seasons 1-3), Equalizer, Knight Rider (cropped), and Star Trek (original series) season 1 was released on HD-DVD. A recent post on avsforum listed I Love Lucy and Andy Griffiths as an example of shows that have been completely remastered in HD, but have not been edited (run-time cut to fit current minutes of commercials per 1/2 hour) for syndication.

HD syndication is just starting to take off for the broadcast stations. Started with Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. More recently Everybody Loves Raymond is now being shown in HD in many cities. This fall, Oprah & Ellen will go HD along with other syndicated shows. Will we see old TV shows in HD syndication soon? No. But sooner than 10 years. They will likely show up in HD on the HD cable channels first, maybe when TV Land and similar cable nets that focus on older TV shows offer a HD channel.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20501471 Sun, 18 May 2008 12:08:14 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20500527
WKRP In Cincinatti is out on DVD, but without any of the rock and roll that was used in every episode. In fact, music licensing hassles are what's keeping many shows from DVD. Anyway, as long as SD is around, shows from the past will be, too. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20500527 Sun, 18 May 2008 02:38:30 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20500492 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20500492 Sun, 18 May 2008 02:13:31 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20497822 said by afiggatt:

Yes, shows shot entirely on video tape can't be redone in HD. But for scripted TV series, this is mostly limited to 1/2 hour sitcoms done in a studio from the 70s to the 90s.
Awe, no remastered All in the Family, 3's company, Cheers, Family Ties, etc..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20497822 Sat, 17 May 2008 12:38:30 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20497022
Until it become financially worth it — I wouldn't expect any such series in HD any time soon. Eventually, it will be worth it when the vast majority of TVs are HD. But I assume it will be a decade or more before that happens.
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Yah, it's the stuff that was mastered on Videotape that will be forever stuck in low-res. So you won't see Seinfeld on Blu-Ray, unless it's "upconverted". Seinfeld was shot on film and has been remastered in HD. Most TV shows were shot on film so if the film masters have been reasonably well preserved, they can be remastered in HD. Quite a few TV shows have been or are being remastered in HD according to posts on avsforum, including shows as old as I Love Lucy. How many of these will be in 4:3 OAR or cropped to 16:9 remains to be seen.

Yes, shows shot entirely on video tape can't be redone in HD. But for scripted TV series, this is mostly limited to 1/2 hour sitcoms done in a studio from the 70s to the 90s.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20496355 Sat, 17 May 2008 00:02:17 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20496354 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20496354 Sat, 17 May 2008 00:01:57 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20496283 said by amarryat:

That is great - I have stopped on HDNet and seen the Hogans Heroes reruns. Thought that they must have originally been filmed. Did not realize the original Star Treks were too.
Yah, it's the stuff that was mastered on Videotape that will be forever stuck in low-res. So you won't see Seinfeld on Blu-Ray, unless it's "upconverted". But upconverting only gets you so much. For example when you watch an HD broadcast and can read the fine print on a bottle of wine on a table; you can only upconvert so much and true detail is not 'upconvertable'.

Film on the other hand records near to this level of detail. And old film-stock easily scans into HD. Software removes the dust and damage artifacts, while maintaining the grain of the original film. It will be unique. But the Videotape era will be forever low-res.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20496283 Fri, 16 May 2008 23:43:32 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20496141 said by FIOSHD:

said by flix :

Hi all,

Was speaking to a verizon billing represtative about a billing problem(surprise). I asked about the HD situation. He reiterated other posts in this thread, that "30 or 40" HD channels will be added in June"
Poor info. Everything we have heard says the rollout will begin in July.
Well then that must be it. "Everything we have heard" has never been wrong before.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20496141 Fri, 16 May 2008 23:07:41 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20491620 said by flix :

Hi all,

Was speaking to a verizon billing represtative about a billing problem(surprise). I asked about the HD situation. He reiterated other posts in this thread, that "30 or 40" HD channels will be added in June"
Poor info. Everything we have heard says the rollout will begin in July.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20491620 Fri, 16 May 2008 08:04:30 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20489429
As for older TV shows, so many of them are now out on DVD that there is clearly a market for such shows. I would love to watch many of those shows in higher quality, I hope it happens someday soon. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20489429 Thu, 15 May 2008 19:40:40 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20488734
Was speaking to a verizon billing represtative about a billing problem(surprise). I asked about the HD situation. He reiterated other posts in this thread, that "30 or 40" HD channels will be added in June" ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20488734 Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:25 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20487920 said by Mark F:

Now, is SD going away?
Mark F.No, SD will probably not be going away for awhile. If it does go away, it would go away for ED.

SD = 480i resolution

ED = 480p resolution

HD = 720p & 1080i, 1080p (broadcasters are not using 1080p yet)

Analog is the only thing that will be going away that we can see in the near future.

I am sure that possibly SOMETIME futher in the future, everything will be HD!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20487920 Thu, 15 May 2008 15:13:29 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20486716 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20486716 Thu, 15 May 2008 11:30:56 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20486662 said by amarryat:

said by Mark F:

Now, is SD going away?
No, not at all! Sorry about the confusion. Speculation far in the future.
Sometime in the Future (not near-term) , I think you will see very many of the older SD shows either converted to HD or UPconverted to HD ....
Anything originally shot on film can be remastered to HD, such as was done with the 60's "Hogan's Heroes" show ..... & I believe the original StarTrek series was also mastered from film to HD for a comming BluRay release .... (much pre '70's TV was shot on film ..)
There are also technologies I have been reading about (sorry, didn't save links..:) ) .. that claim new chipsets, devices & algorythims ect are soon to be released for the broadcast industry that will upconvert SD to very near HD quality, much much better than the systems used in current upconverting DVD players .....
Just like music CD's, it took years for all the back Vinly/cassette catalogs to end up on CD .... I think as these technologies become more widespread & affordable .. much of what is shown on SD only channels will end up being either HD , or "SuperUpconvertedWhopper-D" .. :)
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20486662 Thu, 15 May 2008 11:20:24 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20483378 said by Mark F:

Now, is SD going away?
No, not at all! Sorry about the confusion. Speculation far in the future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20483378 Wed, 14 May 2008 19:29:23 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20483152
Now, is SD going away? I really don't thinks so, as that might mean that Nick At Night and TV Land will show only reruns of How I Met Your Mother, Scrubs, According To Jim or other great HD sitcoms. As someone said, you can't magically (or at least not inexpensively) turn SD into HD. Not even the greatest TV shows of all time.

And someone mentioned the multiroom DVR option used by the kids and Grandma. If all boxes are HD, won't SD shows, if they aren't all squeezed out, be letterboxed or shrunk in size, especially on an SD set. If Grandma wants to watch I Love Lucy, assuming it's still on, will the picture be smaller and harder to see?

So, is there enough room for everything that we want, or will there be a space crunch and channels with little or no HD will have to be jettisoned to make room for the Duct Tape Network HD, the Ice Fishing Channel HD or Hockey Talk HD? I know that if you record a lot of TV shows and movies, they take up less space on a HD DVR if recorded in SD.

Someone said watching an SD program on a SD channel, instead of an HD channel, would prevent burn in on an HD set. I wasn't aware of that. Maybe we need to pay more attention to what's in HD and what's not, because I don't think that SD is going away. YOMV (Your Opinion May Vary). Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20483152 Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:58 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20483136
But, someone said that SD is going away. I really don't thinks so, as that might mean that Nick At Night and TV Land would only show reruns of How I Met Your Mother, Scrubs, According To Jim or other great HD sitcoms. As someone said, you can't magically (or at least not inexpensively) turn SD into HD. Not even the greatest TV shows of all time.

And someone mentioned the multiroom DVR option used by the kids and Grandma. If all boxes are HD, won't SD shows, if they aren't all squeezed out, be letterboxed or shrunk in size, especially on an SD set. If Grandma wants to watch I Love Lucy, assuming it's still on, will the picture be smaller and harder to see?

So, is there enough room for everything that we want, or will there be a space crunch and channels with little or no HD will have to be jettisoned to make room for the Duct Tape Network HD, the Ice Fishing Channel HD or Hockey Talk HD?

Someone said watching an SD program on a SD channel, instead of an HD channel, would prevent burn in on an HD set. I wasn't aware of that. Maybe we need to pay more attention to what's in HD and what's not, because I don't think that SD programs are going away.

But, your opinion may vary. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20483136 Wed, 14 May 2008 18:44:09 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482570 said by amarryat:

Good idea if you don't have a plasma, but I prefer to use the SD stretched channel when the program is not filmed in HD so that I don't get burn-in.
Unless you have an old plasma, burn-in isn't an issue anymore. I leave still images on my plasma (last year's Panasonic) for half a day and have no problems.

But, another reason for not rushing to do away with SD versions of channels: I know some people who record of lot of programs on their DVR. Since they can't always watch them immediately, they record a lot of them in SD because the HD versions will fill up the DVR in no time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482570 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:53:36 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482351 said by klipko:

The only one thing I miss from making the switch from Comcast to FiOS TV was their channel mapping logic.

Example:

2 - local ABC | 702 - local ABC HD
35 - ESPN | 735 - ESPN HD
58 - USA | 758 - USA HD
551 - HBO | 751 - HBO HD
Ah, but even no two Comcast markets are the same... In my area for example
3 - CBS | 233 - CBS HD
4 - FOX | 234 - FOX HD
6 - ABC | 231 - ABC HD
10- CBS | 232 - CBS HD
44- ESPN | 202 - ESPN HD

DirecTV's method is MUCH simpler. Hopefully other operators such as Comcast, Cox, Charter, RCN, Verizon, etc.... come to their senses and make things a little easier as well.

What do they care though if someone has an HD box and they aren't watching the HD feed? They still have your money!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482351 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:13:54 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482312 said by klipko:

I get complaints about it time to time from the "visitors" but that why I have copies of FiOS TV lineup next to the remove. (RTFM - people.)

I need some therapy or limit their visits.
Visitors....you know you don't have to let them in or conveniently hide the remote... :)

Yes, they'll do something similar. i don't think Verizon would invest millions to the S/W in the box to simply look pretty....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482312 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:07:07 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482278
Example:

2 - local ABC | 702 - local ABC HD
35 - ESPN | 735 - ESPN HD
58 - USA | 758 - USA HD
551 - HBO | 751 - HBO HD

I like the fact that I could say to non-savvy HD viewers (read my mother and in-laws) to watch in it HD tune to the 700 block. Since Comcast channels are mapped the same for whole state of Oregon, it made it easy for the "vistors" to port over their SD channel lineup knowledge to our HD.

FiOS is a little different. Most of the locals are mapped the same with exception to FOX (why?). The national feeds are all over the place.

2 - local ABC | 802 - local ABC HD
8 - local NBC | 808 - local NBC HD
12 - local FOX | 801 - local FOX HD (812!? It's unused.)

51 - TNT | 825 - TNT HD
60 - ESPN | 826 - ESPN HD
100 - DISC | 846 - DISCOVERY HD
144 - FOOD | 840 - FOOD HD

I get complaints about it time to time from the "visitors" but that why I have copies of FiOS TV lineup next to the remove. (RTFM - people.)

I need some therapy or limit their visits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482278 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:01:36 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482066 I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why shie is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 80---what was that channel again??
I thought my wife was the only that does this and it drives me nuts....it's been 4-5 years (Including D* years). I keep saying "honey, all the channels start at 810 and simply hit the guide...."

Come home and she is watching the Eagles is SD...."didn't you notice?"

Any, I think Verizon will fill in the gaps in the 800-899 for now and then do a channel remap like D*...it only makes sense.

In that case, it makes sense so they won't do it... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20482066 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:28:10 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481723 said by amarryat:

said by MeatChicken:

said by amarryat See ProfileWhen tuning the HD box to 401 (HBO?), it would show the contents of 851 (HBO HD). There would be no SD HBO.... [/BQUOTE :

Regardless of this not being possible in the current boxes ... so then how would an HD multi room DVR user be able to record HBO SD, so that The Kids, Grandma upstairs, or the Bedroom SD boxes would be able to view the show ???
Those details would be worked out in firmware. There would be no SD. The HD program would be recorded and distributed to the other boxes, again those details are in the firmware.
Sound like it would work fine in a next generation of new boxes, perhaps ... but I'm not sure what the MRDVR sending an HD signal to the SD boxes would accomplish, regardless of the SD box's firmware ... The idea is great, but it would essentially screw up the current multi room DVR capability, something VZ isn't going to do.
I think the reality is that we will simply see the New HD channels appear somewhere in the 700-999 range.
I'd love to see all the HD in the 2-200 range, with the HD broadcasts in the correct channel slots, & rather the SD's up @ 800 .. but that would reak havoc with all those "uneducated women" that cypherstream mentioned in his above post ......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481723 Wed, 14 May 2008 14:26:53 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481592
#1 Automatically tuned the HD version of that channel number you selected.

#2 Toggle back and forth between the HD version and SD version of that channel with the push of a set action key.

When in the guide selecting something to record, do the same thing. A specific key would toggle between HD and SD. Of course HD would be the default view, but allow the user to change the default behavior to fit their needs.

It's more like a filtering/mapping toggle function controlled by an interrupt routine which gets it's input from a specified I.R. command.

I think the key goals of this project are:
- To simplify and condense the channel lineup
- To allow ALL users with HD boxes the ability to take advantage of HD quality without having to remember a second set of numbers.
- Allow toggle to SD in case the HD feed has a problem, or you want to save DVR space.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481592 Wed, 14 May 2008 14:01:10 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481543 said by darcilicious:

said by amarryat:

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why she is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 805.
I've set up my Favorites, TitanTV guide (online), etc not to include the SD version of any channel available in HD...
Good idea if you don't have a plasma, but I prefer to use the SD stretched channel when the program is not filmed in HD so that I don't get burn-in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481543 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:51:46 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481532 said by bumpyone:

So does anyone know how/why they come up with the HD channel assignments for locals? Here in NoVa at least, there's not a direct map from SD local to HD local -- NBC4 is 807, WJLA (ABC) 7 is 803, etc. I can understand not wanting to have your UHF-numbered channels (WETA-26 for example) spread out too far, but the lower-numbered ones????

There is here - 2 and 802, 3 and 803 (which is TV channel 38), 4 and 804, 5 and 805, 7 and 807, 8 and 808 (which are really Fox 25), etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481532 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:49:33 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481524 said by amarryat:

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why she is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 805.
I've set up my Favorites, TitanTV guide (online), etc not to include the SD version of any channel available in HD...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481524 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:34 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481523 said by bumpyone:

So does anyone know how/why they come up with the HD channel assignments for locals? Here in NoVa at least, there's not a direct map from SD local to HD local -- NBC4 is 807, WJLA (ABC) 7 is 803, etc. I can understand not wanting to have your UHF-numbered channels (WETA-26 for example) spread out too far, but the lower-numbered ones????
That I agree they should have gotten right from the start. I just think they miscalculated when they first started out with the channel assignments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481523 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:27 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481503 said by amarryat:

said by cypherstream:

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why she is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 805.
So does anyone know how/why they come up with the HD channel assignments for locals? Here in NoVa at least, there's not a direct map from SD local to HD local -- NBC4 is 807, WJLA (ABC) 7 is 803, etc. I can understand not wanting to have your UHF-numbered channels (WETA-26 for example) spread out too far, but the lower-numbered ones????

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why shie is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 80---what was that channel again??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481503 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:44:50 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481462 said by cypherstream:

etc... with HD set tops and displays will finally tune to the right channel. I countlessly see some restaurants and bars with Motorola HD

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why she is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 805.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481462 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:34:50 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481440 said by MeatChicken:

said by amarryat See ProfileWhen tuning the HD box to 401 (HBO?), it would show the contents of 851 (HBO HD). There would be no SD HBO.... [/BQUOTE :

Regardless of this not being possible in the current boxes ... so then how would an HD multi room DVR user be able to record HBO SD, so that The Kids, Grandma upstairs, or the Bedroom SD boxes would be able to view the show ???
Those details would be worked out in firmware. There would be no SD. The HD program would be recorded and distributed to the other boxes, again those details are in the firmware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481440 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:32:01 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481243
First off, a software change would need to be made on both the front end (user interface), and back end (mapping, guide data linking, billing, etc..).

I think that the way DirecTV and Dish Network do HD is not at all impossible to do in a Motorola set top box. After all, it's entirely controlled by software. Software can be written to accomplish almost anything. I think keeping HD channels mapped to the same numbers as their SD counterparts should be an "option" much like it is on DirecTV. HD boxes should have this defaulted ON, while others would have it off. This way uneducated women, children, public places such as sports bars, etc... with HD set tops and displays will finally tune to the right channel. I countlessly see some restaurants and bars with Motorola HD boxes connected to HDTV's displaying the WRONG channel. For instance they have sports on ABC or ESPN... but it's on the SD version. At that point they might as well rip out those HD set top boxes and save money on their monthly service fees! It's taking a long time, but I'm finally getting through to my girlfriend that if you want to watch ABC in HD you have to tune to ch 231 and not 6 (again Comcast, but insert your own example here).

I think what needs to be done is a new column added to the master channel database. What this would do is act as a pointer for the replacement SD channel number to tune and this would only be read if the set top had this "Hide SD versions of HD channels" settings turned on. For instance the database may hold :
QAM Frequency: Modulation Type : Source ID : Video PID : Audio PID : Display Channel: Guide Table Reference : SD CH num Map

So if I were to map channel 6 to channel 231 I would fill the table like this:
741.0000 : 256QAM : 1206 : 0x201 : 0x211 : 231 : 0x06ae : 006

And the back end looks at the source ID and Guide table reference to determine the encryption keys, and line of data to display in the guide.

Realize I oversimplified the data in one row of the map table, but the logic could follow. I'd imagine DirecTV is using a similar software trick or 'filtering' in their set top guide software.

I for one would love to just tune to a channel number and get the HD content right away. Remembering two sets of lineups isn't nearly as user friendly, especially going into a world of 100+ HD channels. Currently I'm limited to using parental controls to lock out the SD channels on our HD-DVR, so our house tunes the right network.

I'm not sure how the Cable Card tuners can react to this type of mapping. I'm not 100% sure if they use the same tables (which I don't think they do, because there's no guide or guide software on a cable card device). Maybe that's the only limitation, whereas the satellite providers have no issues doing this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20481243 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:01:10 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480605 said by amarryat See ProfileWhen tuning the HD box to 401 (HBO?), it would show the contents of 851 (HBO HD). There would be no SD HBO.... [/BQUOTE :

Regardless of this not being possible in the current boxes ... so then how would an HD multi room DVR user be able to record HBO SD, so that The Kids, Grandma upstairs, or the Bedroom SD boxes would be able to view the show ???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480605 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:05:25 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480575 said by MeatChicken:



** Second, even if that were "somehow" possible, & HD boxes would somehow automatically see ch 2 as HD instead of SD, CH 100 as HD instead of SD, ect ... Where would that HD box viewer then be able to "tune" to or check the guide for the SD channel??

When tuning the HD box to 401 (HBO?), it would show the contents of 851 (HBO HD). There would be no SD HBO.

I think eventually SD boxes go away, and HD boxes are used in all installations. There would be no duplicate carriage of SD and HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480575 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:02:01 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480542
As far as the suggeston in an earlier post of VZ sending, say, The Weather Ch HD on "99.1" & the HD box automatically getting only the HD feed on 99, while SD boxes see the SD feed ...
This seem not do-able for a host of reasons ...

** First, I'm pretty sure that's Not how the electronics in the HD boxes "works" .. they simply can't sense both a "99.1" & a "99" & internally choose which to display .. I doubt there is even any support for a "point one" channel in any form .. VZ simply puts/parks all their available channels onto QAMS first, , & then simply maps them to a box display channel digit(s) of their choosing.. The box doesn't have any choice or "say" in where the channel goes... & the system doesn't use the ATSC over the air formats ( 4.1, 4.2 ..) ..

** Second, even if that were "somehow" possible, & HD boxes would somehow automatically see ch 2 as HD instead of SD, CH 100 as HD instead of SD, ect ... Where would that HD box viewer then be able to "tune" to or check the guide for the SD channel??
Many multi room HD DVR users will record programs on the SD version of a channel, so other SD tv's in the household can watch that show on the SD boxes ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480542 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:53:42 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480531 said by FIOSHD:

said by matcarl:

It's not going to happen. I think the other poster with the 8000's had the best option.
It's not necessarily the best option. I had Directv and loved the way they do it. But from talking to a few people I have heard that they are leaving the HD's in the 800 range. So my natural assumption is that they will utilize the 4 digits.
I don't think it's the best option either. Eventually SD will be a thing of the past. On the path to that will be an increasing number of HD. Why group HD in an area as if it were a specific genre of channels? I would rather have things as now, where movies are from 340-450 or whatever it is, and whichever channels in there are HD would show up as HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480531 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:50:53 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480447 said by matcarl:

It's not going to happen. I think the other poster with the 8000's had the best option.
It's not necessarily the best option. I had Directv and loved the way they do it. But from talking to a few people I have heard that they are leaving the HD's in the 800 range. So my natural assumption is that they will utilize the 4 digits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480447 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:32:59 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480075 said by amarryat:

said by lets456:



Example, if TWC is channel 99 verizon will simply run the HD feed on 99.1 The HD boxes will pick up only the HD feed on that channel. The HD box will automatically detect "99" as the HD channel and tune it in without punching in "99.1".
I hope this is how it's done. It would be nice to only need to remember channel 5, and not tune to 805 to see the same thing in HD. Same with 401 and 851 (HBO), etc.
This is how D* does it....or very similar and I think if Verizon will have (realistically) 90 or so HD channels in the next 6-months, they will not double up on every channel. People would gripe, complain and downright be confused.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480075 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:11:09 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480017 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20480017 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:52:20 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479979 said by lets456:



Example, if TWC is channel 99 verizon will simply run the HD feed on 99.1 The HD boxes will pick up only the HD feed on that channel. The HD box will automatically detect "99" as the HD channel and tune it in without punching in "99.1".
I hope this is how it's done. It would be nice to only need to remember channel 5, and not tune to 805 to see the same thing in HD. Same with 401 and 851 (HBO), etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479979 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:43:01 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479966 said by nikkoxyz6:

said by lets456:

Or Bill Clinton....did you know twice as many of our military personal died under Clinton's ERA than Bush's? True....It is fact!!! Actually over half to be more exact.

If you won't stand behind our troops then stand in front of them !!!

Sorry, I will get off that subject now
Not happy about getting way off topic, but when you get "info" off the internet that purports to give rather incredulous claims, you should always check it's veracity on this site (www.snopes.com). The "truth" of this claim is discussed in the following link:

»www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp
PM me for further details if you'd like. Also, your source is from the internet as well.....Every site has it's slant.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479966 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:37:23 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479877 said by lets456:

said by Baff:

said by Mark F:

Space isn't totally unlimited as the boxes only tune up to ch. 999.
Actually, I believe they can do 4 digit channels now, that was one of the recent changes in the IMG.
Regarding the channel numbering for the new HD channels. I'm sure it's been mentioned, but Verizon is only using 41 channels between channels 800 and 899. That leaves 59 channels to add the 26-40 channels for now then they can do the "restructuring".

Honestly, I think they may do something similar to what D* does with their channel labeling....simply show the HD version of that channel on the original SD channel number. Example, if TWC is channel 99 verizon will simply run the HD feed on 99.1 The HD boxes will pick up only the HD feed on that channel. The HD box will automatically detect "99" as the HD channel and tune it in without punching in "99.1".
Why would any of this be necessary. Why not just go to 8001-8999 for HD. This would allow them to basically map HD exactly as they map SD content today and keep everything in the 8's.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479877 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:02:34 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479792 said by lets456:

Or Bill Clinton....did you know twice as many of our military personal died under Clinton's ERA than Bush's? True....It is fact!!! Actually over half to be more exact.

If you won't stand behind our troops then stand in front of them !!!

Sorry, I will get off that subject now
Not happy about getting way off topic, but when you get "info" off the internet that purports to give rather incredulous claims, you should always check it's veracity on this site (www.snopes.com). The "truth" of this claim is discussed in the following link:

»www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479792 Wed, 14 May 2008 07:26:22 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479671
If you won't stand behind our troops then stand in front of them !!!

Sorry, I will get off that subject now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479671 Wed, 14 May 2008 06:01:16 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479666 said by Baff:

said by Mark F:

Space isn't totally unlimited as the boxes only tune up to ch. 999.
Actually, I believe they can do 4 digit channels now, that was one of the recent changes in the IMG.
Regarding the channel numbering for the new HD channels. I'm sure it's been mentioned, but Verizon is only using 41 channels between channels 800 and 899. That leaves 59 channels to add the 26-40 channels for now then they can do the "restructuring".

Honestly, I think they may do something similar to what D* does with their channel labeling....simply show the HD version of that channel on the original SD channel number. Example, if TWC is channel 99 verizon will simply run the HD feed on 99.1 The HD boxes will pick up only the HD feed on that channel. The HD box will automatically detect "99" as the HD channel and tune it in without punching in "99.1".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20479666 Wed, 14 May 2008 05:57:51 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20478207 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20478207 Tue, 13 May 2008 21:35:13 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20477259 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20477259 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:42:58 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20477023 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-26-new-HD-channels-for-FiOS-TV-by-the-end-of-July-20477023 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:54:39 EDT