26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? in Verizon FIOS TV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20451550 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:10:45 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:10:45 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20501616 MagScribe :
said by afiggatt See Profile :

said by MagScribe See Profile :

The issue with Seinfeld and Trek (TNG, DS9 and Voyager) is that they were shot on film, but edited on video tape. Allegedly, the original film still exists, but the shows would need to be completely rebuilt — and in the case of ST, may need new effects.

Until it become financially worth it — I wouldn't expect any such series in HD any time soon. Eventually, it will be worth it when the vast majority of TVs are HD. But I assume it will be a decade or more before that happens.
Seinfeld has been redone and redited in HD, despite having originally been edited on videotape. This is from people who work in the industry who post to avsforum. Seinfeld is a very valuable property, so the studio obviously thought it was worthwhile to future proof the show by remastering it in HD.
I didn't know that, but it makes more sense, as Seinfeld would be the more valuable property and require less work to transition to HD. I do expect the Trek series to ultimately be redone, as the Original Series was done, with all-new effects.

Older shows, obviously, with original masters of their episodes, will be much easier to upconvert, assuming they were shot on film — all of the old video tape sit-coms, though, would take a ton of video processing to look decent — but I suppose someone will try.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20501616 Sun, 18 May 2008 12:45:00 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20501471 afiggatt :
said by MagScribe See Profile :

The issue with Seinfeld and Trek (TNG, DS9 and Voyager) is that they were shot on film, but edited on video tape. Allegedly, the original film still exists, but the shows would need to be completely rebuilt — and in the case of ST, may need new effects.

Until it become financially worth it — I wouldn't expect any such series in HD any time soon. Eventually, it will be worth it when the vast majority of TVs are HD. But I assume it will be a decade or more before that happens.
Seinfeld has been redone and redited in HD, despite having originally been edited on videotape. This is from people who work in the industry who post to avsforum. Seinfeld is a very valuable property, so the studio obviously thought it was worthwhile to future proof the show by remastering it in HD.

Which older TV shows get redone in HD will depend on the quality of the film stock, popularity of the show, and the cost of remastering it (edited on film versus edited on videotape, any special effects that have to redone). Obscure 1 season and done TV shows will likely never be redone in HD unless there is a fanatical fan base. But a number of older TV shows have already been shown in HD: Hogans Heroes, Charlies Angels, Quantum Leap, Northern Exposure (seasons 1-3), Equalizer, Knight Rider (cropped), and Star Trek (original series) season 1 was released on HD-DVD. A recent post on avsforum listed I Love Lucy and Andy Griffiths as an example of shows that have been completely remastered in HD, but have not been edited (run-time cut to fit current minutes of commercials per 1/2 hour) for syndication.

HD syndication is just starting to take off for the broadcast stations. Started with Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. More recently Everybody Loves Raymond is now being shown in HD in many cities. This fall, Oprah & Ellen will go HD along with other syndicated shows. Will we see old TV shows in HD syndication soon? No. But sooner than 10 years. They will likely show up in HD on the HD cable channels first, maybe when TV Land and similar cable nets that focus on older TV shows offer a HD channel.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20501471 Sun, 18 May 2008 12:08:14 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20500527 Mark F : Shelley Long is from Fort Wayne. And, yes, Cheers is on film. Videotaping shows, mostly sitcoms, started in the early 70's with All In The Family, Jeffersons, Sanford And Son, Maude, etc. They are on DVD, or are coming to DVD, which makes fans of such shows very happy. Mostly.

WKRP In Cincinatti is out on DVD, but without any of the rock and roll that was used in every episode. In fact, music licensing hassles are what's keeping many shows from DVD. Anyway, as long as SD is around, shows from the past will be, too. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20500527 Sun, 18 May 2008 02:38:30 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20500492 Roche1972 : Cheers was shot on film not video tape.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20500492 Sun, 18 May 2008 02:13:31 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20497822 cypherstream :
said by afiggatt See Profile :

Yes, shows shot entirely on video tape can't be redone in HD. But for scripted TV series, this is mostly limited to 1/2 hour sitcoms done in a studio from the 70s to the 90s.
Awe, no remastered All in the Family, 3's company, Cheers, Family Ties, etc..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20497822 Sat, 17 May 2008 12:38:30 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20497022 MagScribe : The issue with Seinfeld and Trek (TNG, DS9 and Voyager) is that they were shot on film, but edited on video tape. Allegedly, the original film still exists, but the shows would need to be completely rebuilt — and in the case of ST, may need new effects.

Until it become financially worth it — I wouldn't expect any such series in HD any time soon. Eventually, it will be worth it when the vast majority of TVs are HD. But I assume it will be a decade or more before that happens.
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said by harley3k See Profile :

Yah, it's the stuff that was mastered on Videotape that will be forever stuck in low-res. So you won't see Seinfeld on Blu-Ray, unless it's "upconverted".
Seinfeld was shot on film and has been remastered in HD. Most TV shows were shot on film so if the film masters have been reasonably well preserved, they can be remastered in HD. Quite a few TV shows have been or are being remastered in HD according to posts on avsforum, including shows as old as I Love Lucy. How many of these will be in 4:3 OAR or cropped to 16:9 remains to be seen.

Yes, shows shot entirely on video tape can't be redone in HD. But for scripted TV series, this is mostly limited to 1/2 hour sitcoms done in a studio from the 70s to the 90s.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496355 Sat, 17 May 2008 00:02:17 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496354 Mark F : That would explain how HD Net movies showed the 1962 classic Lawrence Of Arabia, in full length, Cinemascope (letterboxed) and better than ever. I really like watching classic films from the past in HD. It would be nice if more TV shows from the same era could be shown the same way, or as close to it as possible. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496354 Sat, 17 May 2008 00:01:57 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496283 harley3k :
said by amarryat See Profile :

That is great - I have stopped on HDNet and seen the Hogans Heroes reruns. Thought that they must have originally been filmed. Did not realize the original Star Treks were too.
Yah, it's the stuff that was mastered on Videotape that will be forever stuck in low-res. So you won't see Seinfeld on Blu-Ray, unless it's "upconverted". But upconverting only gets you so much. For example when you watch an HD broadcast and can read the fine print on a bottle of wine on a table; you can only upconvert so much and true detail is not 'upconvertable'.

Film on the other hand records near to this level of detail. And old film-stock easily scans into HD. Software removes the dust and damage artifacts, while maintaining the grain of the original film. It will be unique. But the Videotape era will be forever low-res.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496283 Fri, 16 May 2008 23:43:32 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496141 JTBurn :
said by FIOSHD See Profile :

said by flix :

Hi all,

Was speaking to a verizon billing represtative about a billing problem(surprise). I asked about the HD situation. He reiterated other posts in this thread, that "30 or 40" HD channels will be added in June"
Poor info. Everything we have heard says the rollout will begin in July.
Well then that must be it. "Everything we have heard" has never been wrong before.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496141 Fri, 16 May 2008 23:07:41 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20491620 FIOSHD :
said by flix :

Hi all,

Was speaking to a verizon billing represtative about a billing problem(surprise). I asked about the HD situation. He reiterated other posts in this thread, that "30 or 40" HD channels will be added in June"
Poor info. Everything we have heard says the rollout will begin in July.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20491620 Fri, 16 May 2008 08:04:30 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20489429 Mark F : Not all vinyl recordings are on CD. Some companies are working hard on this like Ace Records of England with their Hard To Find 45s On CD and Golden Age Of American Rock And Roll collections and many other collections (Doo Wop, rockabilly, rock instrumentals, surf, girl groups, teen idols, British invasion, pychedelic, etc). But, I've been copying many of my LPs, 45s and cassettes to CD myself, it is a long process sometimes.

As for older TV shows, so many of them are now out on DVD that there is clearly a market for such shows. I would love to watch many of those shows in higher quality, I hope it happens someday soon. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20489429 Thu, 15 May 2008 19:40:40 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488734 anon : Hi all,

Was speaking to a verizon billing represtative about a billing problem(surprise). I asked about the HD situation. He reiterated other posts in this thread, that "30 or 40" HD channels will be added in June" ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488734 Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:25 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20487920 RScottyL :
said by Mark F See Profile :

Now, is SD going away?
Mark F.
No, SD will probably not be going away for awhile. If it does go away, it would go away for ED.

SD = 480i resolution

ED = 480p resolution

HD = 720p & 1080i, 1080p (broadcasters are not using 1080p yet)

Analog is the only thing that will be going away that we can see in the near future.

I am sure that possibly SOMETIME futher in the future, everything will be HD!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20487920 Thu, 15 May 2008 15:13:29 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20486716 amarryat : That is great - I have stopped on HDNet and seen the Hogans Heroes reruns. Thought that they must have originally been filmed. Did not realize the original Star Treks were too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20486716 Thu, 15 May 2008 11:30:56 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20486662 MeatChicken :
said by amarryat See Profile :

said by Mark F See Profile :

Now, is SD going away?
No, not at all! Sorry about the confusion. Speculation far in the future.
Sometime in the Future (not near-term) , I think you will see very many of the older SD shows either converted to HD or UPconverted to HD ....
Anything originally shot on film can be remastered to HD, such as was done with the 60's "Hogan's Heroes" show ..... & I believe the original StarTrek series was also mastered from film to HD for a comming BluRay release .... (much pre '70's TV was shot on film ..)
There are also technologies I have been reading about (sorry, didn't save links..:) ) .. that claim new chipsets, devices & algorythims ect are soon to be released for the broadcast industry that will upconvert SD to very near HD quality, much much better than the systems used in current upconverting DVD players .....
Just like music CD's, it took years for all the back Vinly/cassette catalogs to end up on CD .... I think as these technologies become more widespread & affordable .. much of what is shown on SD only channels will end up being either HD , or "SuperUpconvertedWhopper-D" .. :)
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20486662 Thu, 15 May 2008 11:20:24 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20483378 amarryat :
said by Mark F See Profile :

Now, is SD going away?
No, not at all! Sorry about the confusion. Speculation far in the future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20483378 Wed, 14 May 2008 19:29:23 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20483152 Mark F : I'm confused about one thing. Earlier in this thread I wondered if having more HD channels would mean having fewer channels that show a great deal of SD programming (Boomerang, Sleuth, VH1 Classics, Game Show Network, WGN, Turner Classic Movies and so forth). It was ststed that there should be enough room for any and all channels.

Now, is SD going away? I really don't thinks so, as that might mean that Nick At Night and TV Land will show only reruns of How I Met Your Mother, Scrubs, According To Jim or other great HD sitcoms. As someone said, you can't magically (or at least not inexpensively) turn SD into HD. Not even the greatest TV shows of all time.

And someone mentioned the multiroom DVR option used by the kids and Grandma. If all boxes are HD, won't SD shows, if they aren't all squeezed out, be letterboxed or shrunk in size, especially on an SD set. If Grandma wants to watch I Love Lucy, assuming it's still on, will the picture be smaller and harder to see?

So, is there enough room for everything that we want, or will there be a space crunch and channels with little or no HD will have to be jettisoned to make room for the Duct Tape Network HD, the Ice Fishing Channel HD or Hockey Talk HD? I know that if you record a lot of TV shows and movies, they take up less space on a HD DVR if recorded in SD.

Someone said watching an SD program on a SD channel, instead of an HD channel, would prevent burn in on an HD set. I wasn't aware of that. Maybe we need to pay more attention to what's in HD and what's not, because I don't think that SD is going away. YOMV (Your Opinion May Vary). Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20483152 Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:58 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20483136 Mark F : I'm confused about one thing. Earlier in this thread I wondered if having more HD channels would mean having fewer channels that show a great deal of SD programming (Boomerang, Sleuth, VH1 Classics, Game Show Network, WGN, Turner Classic Movies and so forth). It was said that there should be enough room for any and all channels.

But, someone said that SD is going away. I really don't thinks so, as that might mean that Nick At Night and TV Land would only show reruns of How I Met Your Mother, Scrubs, According To Jim or other great HD sitcoms. As someone said, you can't magically (or at least not inexpensively) turn SD into HD. Not even the greatest TV shows of all time.

And someone mentioned the multiroom DVR option used by the kids and Grandma. If all boxes are HD, won't SD shows, if they aren't all squeezed out, be letterboxed or shrunk in size, especially on an SD set. If Grandma wants to watch I Love Lucy, assuming it's still on, will the picture be smaller and harder to see?

So, is there enough room for everything that we want, or will there be a space crunch and channels with little or no HD will have to be jettisoned to make room for the Duct Tape Network HD, the Ice Fishing Channel HD or Hockey Talk HD?

Someone said watching an SD program on a SD channel, instead of an HD channel, would prevent burn in on an HD set. I wasn't aware of that. Maybe we need to pay more attention to what's in HD and what's not, because I don't think that SD programs are going away.

But, your opinion may vary. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20483136 Wed, 14 May 2008 18:44:09 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482570 Baff :
said by amarryat See Profile :

Good idea if you don't have a plasma, but I prefer to use the SD stretched channel when the program is not filmed in HD so that I don't get burn-in.
Unless you have an old plasma, burn-in isn't an issue anymore. I leave still images on my plasma (last year's Panasonic) for half a day and have no problems.

But, another reason for not rushing to do away with SD versions of channels: I know some people who record of lot of programs on their DVR. Since they can't always watch them immediately, they record a lot of them in SD because the HD versions will fill up the DVR in no time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482570 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:53:36 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482351 cypherstream :
said by klipko See Profile :

The only one thing I miss from making the switch from Comcast to FiOS TV was their channel mapping logic.

Example:

2 - local ABC | 702 - local ABC HD
35 - ESPN | 735 - ESPN HD
58 - USA | 758 - USA HD
551 - HBO | 751 - HBO HD
Ah, but even no two Comcast markets are the same... In my area for example
3 - CBS | 233 - CBS HD
4 - FOX | 234 - FOX HD
6 - ABC | 231 - ABC HD
10- CBS | 232 - CBS HD
44- ESPN | 202 - ESPN HD

DirecTV's method is MUCH simpler. Hopefully other operators such as Comcast, Cox, Charter, RCN, Verizon, etc.... come to their senses and make things a little easier as well.

What do they care though if someone has an HD box and they aren't watching the HD feed? They still have your money!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482351 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:13:54 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482312 lets456 :
said by klipko See Profile :

I get complaints about it time to time from the "visitors" but that why I have copies of FiOS TV lineup next to the remove. (RTFM - people.)

I need some therapy or limit their visits.
Visitors....you know you don't have to let them in or conveniently hide the remote... :)

Yes, they'll do something similar. i don't think Verizon would invest millions to the S/W in the box to simply look pretty....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482312 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:07:07 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482278 klipko : The [only] one thing I miss from making the switch from Comcast to FiOS TV was their channel mapping logic.

Example:

2 - local ABC | 702 - local ABC HD
35 - ESPN | 735 - ESPN HD
58 - USA | 758 - USA HD
551 - HBO | 751 - HBO HD

I like the fact that I could say to non-savvy HD viewers (read my mother and in-laws) to watch in it HD tune to the 700 block. Since Comcast channels are mapped the same for whole state of Oregon, it made it easy for the "vistors" to port over their SD channel lineup knowledge to our HD.

FiOS is a little different. Most of the locals are mapped the same with exception to FOX (why?). The national feeds are all over the place.

2 - local ABC | 802 - local ABC HD
8 - local NBC | 808 - local NBC HD
12 - local FOX | 801 - local FOX HD (812!? It's unused.)

51 - TNT | 825 - TNT HD
60 - ESPN | 826 - ESPN HD
100 - DISC | 846 - DISCOVERY HD
144 - FOOD | 840 - FOOD HD

I get complaints about it time to time from the "visitors" but that why I have copies of FiOS TV lineup next to the remove. (RTFM - people.)

I need some therapy or limit their visits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482278 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:01:36 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482066 lets456 :
I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why shie is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 80---what was that channel again??
I thought my wife was the only that does this and it drives me nuts....it's been 4-5 years (Including D* years). I keep saying "honey, all the channels start at 810 and simply hit the guide...."

Come home and she is watching the Eagles is SD...."didn't you notice?"

Any, I think Verizon will fill in the gaps in the 800-899 for now and then do a channel remap like D*...it only makes sense.

In that case, it makes sense so they won't do it... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482066 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:28:10 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481723 MeatChicken :
said by amarryat See Profile :

said by MeatChicken See Profile :

said by amarryat See ProfileWhen tuning the HD box to 401 (HBO?), it would show the contents of 851 (HBO HD). There would be no SD HBO.... [/BQUOTE :

Regardless of this not being possible in the current boxes ... so then how would an HD multi room DVR user be able to record HBO SD, so that The Kids, Grandma upstairs, or the Bedroom SD boxes would be able to view the show ???
Those details would be worked out in firmware. There would be no SD. The HD program would be recorded and distributed to the other boxes, again those details are in the firmware.
Sound like it would work fine in a next generation of new boxes, perhaps ... but I'm not sure what the MRDVR sending an HD signal to the SD boxes would accomplish, regardless of the SD box's firmware ... The idea is great, but it would essentially screw up the current multi room DVR capability, something VZ isn't going to do.
I think the reality is that we will simply see the New HD channels appear somewhere in the 700-999 range.
I'd love to see all the HD in the 2-200 range, with the HD broadcasts in the correct channel slots, & rather the SD's up @ 800 .. but that would reak havoc with all those "uneducated women" that cypherstream mentioned in his above post ......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481723 Wed, 14 May 2008 14:26:53 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481592 cypherstream : I don't know if you have an open 'toggle' button like A,B,C,D,or any other key that's not used. But what about a software enhancement that :

#1 Automatically tuned the HD version of that channel number you selected.

#2 Toggle back and forth between the HD version and SD version of that channel with the push of a set action key.

When in the guide selecting something to record, do the same thing. A specific key would toggle between HD and SD. Of course HD would be the default view, but allow the user to change the default behavior to fit their needs.

It's more like a filtering/mapping toggle function controlled by an interrupt routine which gets it's input from a specified I.R. command.

I think the key goals of this project are:
- To simplify and condense the channel lineup
- To allow ALL users with HD boxes the ability to take advantage of HD quality without having to remember a second set of numbers.
- Allow toggle to SD in case the HD feed has a problem, or you want to save DVR space.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481592 Wed, 14 May 2008 14:01:10 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481543 amarryat :
said by darcilicious See Profile :

said by amarryat See Profile :

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why she is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 805.
I've set up my Favorites, TitanTV guide (online), etc not to include the SD version of any channel available in HD...
Good idea if you don't have a plasma, but I prefer to use the SD stretched channel when the program is not filmed in HD so that I don't get burn-in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481543 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:51:46 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481532 amarryat :
said by bumpyone See Profile :

So does anyone know how/why they come up with the HD channel assignments for locals? Here in NoVa at least, there's not a direct map from SD local to HD local -- NBC4 is 807, WJLA (ABC) 7 is 803, etc. I can understand not wanting to have your UHF-numbered channels (WETA-26 for example) spread out too far, but the lower-numbered ones????

There is here - 2 and 802, 3 and 803 (which is TV channel 38), 4 and 804, 5 and 805, 7 and 807, 8 and 808 (which are really Fox 25), etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481532 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:49:33 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481524 darcilicious :
said by amarryat See Profile :

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why she is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 805.
I've set up my Favorites, TitanTV guide (online), etc not to include the SD version of any channel available in HD...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481524 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:34 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481523 matcarl :
said by bumpyone See Profile :

So does anyone know how/why they come up with the HD channel assignments for locals? Here in NoVa at least, there's not a direct map from SD local to HD local -- NBC4 is 807, WJLA (ABC) 7 is 803, etc. I can understand not wanting to have your UHF-numbered channels (WETA-26 for example) spread out too far, but the lower-numbered ones????
That I agree they should have gotten right from the start. I just think they miscalculated when they first started out with the channel assignments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481523 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:27 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481503 bumpyone :
said by amarryat See Profile :

said by cypherstream See Profile :

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why she is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 805.
So does anyone know how/why they come up with the HD channel assignments for locals? Here in NoVa at least, there's not a direct map from SD local to HD local -- NBC4 is 807, WJLA (ABC) 7 is 803, etc. I can understand not wanting to have your UHF-numbered channels (WETA-26 for example) spread out too far, but the lower-numbered ones????

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why shie is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 80---what was that channel again??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481503 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:44:50 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481462 amarryat :
said by cypherstream See Profile :

etc... with HD set tops and displays will finally tune to the right channel. I countlessly see some restaurants and bars with Motorola HD

I can't tell you how many times I have asked my wife why she is watching channel 5 when she could be watching 805.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481462 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:34:50 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481440 amarryat :
said by MeatChicken See Profile :

said by amarryat See ProfileWhen tuning the HD box to 401 (HBO?), it would show the contents of 851 (HBO HD). There would be no SD HBO.... [/BQUOTE :

Regardless of this not being possible in the current boxes ... so then how would an HD multi room DVR user be able to record HBO SD, so that The Kids, Grandma upstairs, or the Bedroom SD boxes would be able to view the show ???
Those details would be worked out in firmware. There would be no SD. The HD program would be recorded and distributed to the other boxes, again those details are in the firmware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481440 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:32:01 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481243 cypherstream : I don't have Fios available in my area, but I'm a long time lurker here to keep up on the technology. I have Comcast, and I've made this suggestion to them as well. We have DirecTV HD at work, and the HD channel mapping system works excellent.

First off, a software change would need to be made on both the front end (user interface), and back end (mapping, guide data linking, billing, etc..).

I think that the way DirecTV and Dish Network do HD is not at all impossible to do in a Motorola set top box. After all, it's entirely controlled by software. Software can be written to accomplish almost anything. I think keeping HD channels mapped to the same numbers as their SD counterparts should be an "option" much like it is on DirecTV. HD boxes should have this defaulted ON, while others would have it off. This way uneducated women, children, public places such as sports bars, etc... with HD set tops and displays will finally tune to the right channel. I countlessly see some restaurants and bars with Motorola HD boxes connected to HDTV's displaying the WRONG channel. For instance they have sports on ABC or ESPN... but it's on the SD version. At that point they might as well rip out those HD set top boxes and save money on their monthly service fees! It's taking a long time, but I'm finally getting through to my girlfriend that if you want to watch ABC in HD you have to tune to ch 231 and not 6 (again Comcast, but insert your own example here).

I think what needs to be done is a new column added to the master channel database. What this would do is act as a pointer for the replacement SD channel number to tune and this would only be read if the set top had this "Hide SD versions of HD channels" settings turned on. For instance the database may hold :
QAM Frequency: Modulation Type : Source ID : Video PID : Audio PID : Display Channel: Guide Table Reference : SD CH num Map

So if I were to map channel 6 to channel 231 I would fill the table like this:
741.0000 : 256QAM : 1206 : 0x201 : 0x211 : 231 : 0x06ae : 006

And the back end looks at the source ID and Guide table reference to determine the encryption keys, and line of data to display in the guide.

Realize I oversimplified the data in one row of the map table, but the logic could follow. I'd imagine DirecTV is using a similar software trick or 'filtering' in their set top guide software.

I for one would love to just tune to a channel number and get the HD content right away. Remembering two sets of lineups isn't nearly as user friendly, especially going into a world of 100+ HD channels. Currently I'm limited to using parental controls to lock out the SD channels on our HD-DVR, so our house tunes the right network.

I'm not sure how the Cable Card tuners can react to this type of mapping. I'm not 100% sure if they use the same tables (which I don't think they do, because there's no guide or guide software on a cable card device). Maybe that's the only limitation, whereas the satellite providers have no issues doing this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481243 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:01:10 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480605 MeatChicken :
said by amarryat See ProfileWhen tuning the HD box to 401 (HBO?), it would show the contents of 851 (HBO HD). There would be no SD HBO.... [/BQUOTE :

Regardless of this not being possible in the current boxes ... so then how would an HD multi room DVR user be able to record HBO SD, so that The Kids, Grandma upstairs, or the Bedroom SD boxes would be able to view the show ???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480605 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:05:25 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480575 amarryat :
said by MeatChicken See Profile :



** Second, even if that were "somehow" possible, & HD boxes would somehow automatically see ch 2 as HD instead of SD, CH 100 as HD instead of SD, ect ... Where would that HD box viewer then be able to "tune" to or check the guide for the SD channel??

When tuning the HD box to 401 (HBO?), it would show the contents of 851 (HBO HD). There would be no SD HBO.

I think eventually SD boxes go away, and HD boxes are used in all installations. There would be no duplicate carriage of SD and HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480575 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:02:01 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480542 MeatChicken : As has been mentioned before, apparently it has been mentioned that CableCards can't tune above 999, so channels w/ 4 digits will most likley be used for PPV / on demand, interactive games & other similar things that can be moved above 999 without harm to cablecard viewers - but Not HD channels.

As far as the suggeston in an earlier post of VZ sending, say, The Weather Ch HD on "99.1" & the HD box automatically getting only the HD feed on 99, while SD boxes see the SD feed ...
This seem not do-able for a host of reasons ...

** First, I'm pretty sure that's Not how the electronics in the HD boxes "works" .. they simply can't sense both a "99.1" & a "99" & internally choose which to display .. I doubt there is even any support for a "point one" channel in any form .. VZ simply puts/parks all their available channels onto QAMS first, , & then simply maps them to a box display channel digit(s) of their choosing.. The box doesn't have any choice or "say" in where the channel goes... & the system doesn't use the ATSC over the air formats ( 4.1, 4.2 ..) ..

** Second, even if that were "somehow" possible, & HD boxes would somehow automatically see ch 2 as HD instead of SD, CH 100 as HD instead of SD, ect ... Where would that HD box viewer then be able to "tune" to or check the guide for the SD channel??
Many multi room HD DVR users will record programs on the SD version of a channel, so other SD tv's in the household can watch that show on the SD boxes ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480542 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:53:42 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480531 amarryat :
said by FIOSHD See Profile :

said by matcarl See Profile :

It's not going to happen. I think the other poster with the 8000's had the best option.
It's not necessarily the best option. I had Directv and loved the way they do it. But from talking to a few people I have heard that they are leaving the HD's in the 800 range. So my natural assumption is that they will utilize the 4 digits.
I don't think it's the best option either. Eventually SD will be a thing of the past. On the path to that will be an increasing number of HD. Why group HD in an area as if it were a specific genre of channels? I would rather have things as now, where movies are from 340-450 or whatever it is, and whichever channels in there are HD would show up as HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480531 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:50:53 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480447 FIOSHD :
said by matcarl See Profile :

It's not going to happen. I think the other poster with the 8000's had the best option.
It's not necessarily the best option. I had Directv and loved the way they do it. But from talking to a few people I have heard that they are leaving the HD's in the 800 range. So my natural assumption is that they will utilize the 4 digits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480447 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:32:59 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480075 lets456 :
said by amarryat See Profile :

said by lets456 See Profile :



Example, if TWC is channel 99 verizon will simply run the HD feed on 99.1 The HD boxes will pick up only the HD feed on that channel. The HD box will automatically detect "99" as the HD channel and tune it in without punching in "99.1".
I hope this is how it's done. It would be nice to only need to remember channel 5, and not tune to 805 to see the same thing in HD. Same with 401 and 851 (HBO), etc.
This is how D* does it....or very similar and I think if Verizon will have (realistically) 90 or so HD channels in the next 6-months, they will not double up on every channel. People would gripe, complain and downright be confused.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480075 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:11:09 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480017 matcarl : It's not going to happen. I think the other poster with the 8000's had the best option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480017 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:52:20 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479979 amarryat :
said by lets456 See Profile :



Example, if TWC is channel 99 verizon will simply run the HD feed on 99.1 The HD boxes will pick up only the HD feed on that channel. The HD box will automatically detect "99" as the HD channel and tune it in without punching in "99.1".
I hope this is how it's done. It would be nice to only need to remember channel 5, and not tune to 805 to see the same thing in HD. Same with 401 and 851 (HBO), etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479979 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:43:01 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479966 lets456 :
said by nikkoxyz See Profile :

said by lets456 See Profile :

Or Bill Clinton....did you know twice as many of our military personal died under Clinton's ERA than Bush's? True....It is fact!!! Actually over half to be more exact.

If you won't stand behind our troops then stand in front of them !!!

Sorry, I will get off that subject now
Not happy about getting way off topic, but when you get "info" off the internet that purports to give rather incredulous claims, you should always check it's veracity on this site (www.snopes.com). The "truth" of this claim is discussed in the following link:

»www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp
PM me for further details if you'd like. Also, your source is from the internet as well.....Every site has it's slant.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479966 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:37:23 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479877 FIOSHD :
said by lets456 See Profile :

said by Baff See Profile :

said by Mark F See Profile :

Space isn't totally unlimited as the boxes only tune up to ch. 999.
Actually, I believe they can do 4 digit channels now, that was one of the recent changes in the IMG.
Regarding the channel numbering for the new HD channels. I'm sure it's been mentioned, but Verizon is only using 41 channels between channels 800 and 899. That leaves 59 channels to add the 26-40 channels for now then they can do the "restructuring".

Honestly, I think they may do something similar to what D* does with their channel labeling....simply show the HD version of that channel on the original SD channel number. Example, if TWC is channel 99 verizon will simply run the HD feed on 99.1 The HD boxes will pick up only the HD feed on that channel. The HD box will automatically detect "99" as the HD channel and tune it in without punching in "99.1".
Why would any of this be necessary. Why not just go to 8001-8999 for HD. This would allow them to basically map HD exactly as they map SD content today and keep everything in the 8's.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479877 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:02:34 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479792 nikkoxyz :
said by lets456 See Profile :

Or Bill Clinton....did you know twice as many of our military personal died under Clinton's ERA than Bush's? True....It is fact!!! Actually over half to be more exact.

If you won't stand behind our troops then stand in front of them !!!

Sorry, I will get off that subject now
Not happy about getting way off topic, but when you get "info" off the internet that purports to give rather incredulous claims, you should always check it's veracity on this site (www.snopes.com). The "truth" of this claim is discussed in the following link:

»www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479792 Wed, 14 May 2008 07:26:22 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479671 lets456 : Or Bill Clinton....did you know twice as many of our military personal died under Clinton's ERA than Bush's? True....It is fact!!! Actually over half to be more exact.

If you won't stand behind our troops then stand in front of them !!!

Sorry, I will get off that subject now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479671 Wed, 14 May 2008 06:01:16 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479666 lets456 :
said by Baff See Profile :

said by Mark F See Profile :

Space isn't totally unlimited as the boxes only tune up to ch. 999.
Actually, I believe they can do 4 digit channels now, that was one of the recent changes in the IMG.
Regarding the channel numbering for the new HD channels. I'm sure it's been mentioned, but Verizon is only using 41 channels between channels 800 and 899. That leaves 59 channels to add the 26-40 channels for now then they can do the "restructuring".

Honestly, I think they may do something similar to what D* does with their channel labeling....simply show the HD version of that channel on the original SD channel number. Example, if TWC is channel 99 verizon will simply run the HD feed on 99.1 The HD boxes will pick up only the HD feed on that channel. The HD box will automatically detect "99" as the HD channel and tune it in without punching in "99.1".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479666 Wed, 14 May 2008 05:57:51 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478207 frankpf3 : Don't even get me started on Mr. Bush.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478207 Tue, 13 May 2008 21:35:13 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477259 MrSpock29 : How quickly they forget Jimmy Carter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477259 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:42:58 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477023 Mark F : Or a Republican. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477023 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:54:39 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476836 anon :
said by Kloneicle :

I feel like florida gets screwed all the time..
Move to Texas, not only are we the bastard step-child of Verizon, we have promoted the worst President in history into office. It is truly sad to be a Texan these days...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476836 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:16 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475636 Baff :
said by aaronwt See Profile :

I thought we were scheduled for sometime this Summer?
N.VA is set to start July 21.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475636 Tue, 13 May 2008 13:37:12 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475612 krg106 :
said by legalaliens See Profile :

I live in Northern VA and to my knowledge have not received the analog cutoff letter yet.

Anybody else in No. VA who have received the letter?
No, I haven't received a letter yet in No. VA but the transition here is still far enough down the road that I wouldn't expect one yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475612 Tue, 13 May 2008 13:31:07 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475609 aaronwt :
said by legalaliens See Profile :

I live in Northern VA and to my knowledge have not received the analog cutoff letter yet.

Anybody else in No. VA who have received the letter?
I thought we were scheduled for sometime this Summer?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475609 Tue, 13 May 2008 13:30:27 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475572 legalaliens : I live in Northern VA and to my knowledge have not received the analog cutoff letter yet.

Anybody else in No. VA who have received the letter?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475572 Tue, 13 May 2008 13:25:37 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474569 FIOS MAN :
said by Baff See Profile :

said by Mark F See Profile :

Space isn't totally unlimited as the boxes only tune up to ch. 999.
Actually, I believe they can do 4 digit channels now, that was one of the recent changes in the IMG.
last time I checked numbers never end..... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474569 Tue, 13 May 2008 10:13:11 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474471 MeatChicken : The boxes do now tune to 9,999 as of the new IMG download, however the box's channel range has little to do with bandwidth, which isn't "in the box" .... ....
As for bandwidth .. with VZ's current analog shutdown & Quam upgrades now happening, They have, or will have shortly (this year), in their various markets, more than enough bandwidth for every possible HD channel available and/or even currently announced..
When they released a statement a few months back about their customers having "up to 150" HD channels by the end of '08, the buzz wasn't that their upgrades wouldn't have the bandwidth, but rather that there probably won't be 150 HD channels available to broadcast by the end of '08 ....
When VZ does add these additional HD's, (which is currently reported to be in 2 "waves" , 25-30 or so in June/July, & the rest in Fall), They won't be basing their carry decisions on bandwidth, rather on carriage agreements, popularity & other factors, because they will have more than enough bandwidth for every possible channel being discussed here.... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474471 Tue, 13 May 2008 09:49:27 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473704 Baff :
said by Mark F See Profile :

Space isn't totally unlimited as the boxes only tune up to ch. 999.
Actually, I believe they can do 4 digit channels now, that was one of the recent changes in the IMG.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473704 Tue, 13 May 2008 02:51:21 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473666 Mark F : There may be people who would give up all SD to watch a loose button being sewn back into place, a a slow-moving chess game, people playing Twister on the Milton Bradley Channel, trains going 'round and 'round on the Lionel Channel- all in HD.

Now, having every channel in HD, even if they show little or no HD content, makes no sense, bandwith-wise. Space isn't totally unlimited as the boxes only tune up to ch. 999.

But, one of the reasons that we, and many others, switched to FIOS was their larger overall channel line up, including many channels that our former cable provider doesn't have. Many of these channels are in SD.

So, to make room for All-American HO Scale Racing, or the Ant Farm Channel, in HD, won't we, at some point, lose the Badminton Channel or the Rollerblade Network? Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473666 Tue, 13 May 2008 02:20:55 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468701 anon : I feel like florida gets screwed all the time..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468701 Mon, 12 May 2008 08:49:21 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468447 lets456 :
said by Baff See Profile :

said by MeatChicken See Profile :

I'm sure there were people in 1963 proclaiming to others what sorts of programs would be "a waste" to be produced in Color ....
There is a key difference here: Bandwidth. How many people are willing to give up Sci-Fi, USA or ESPN for The Weather Channel?
Will it ever end? First we complained about the IMG (well still some complains),then the HD Vod, now complaining about the choice of HD that has not even been added yet....oh boy.

I want HD as well, but what's the sense arguing over HD content when there is no definitive date nor channels choices added yet.

We all want HD and at this point I don't care if they add 26 sewing and chess channels....as long as it's HD!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468447 Mon, 12 May 2008 05:51:50 EDT Re: I was told by a rep in the office of VP of prog. about same http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466189 keyboards :
said by afiggatt See Profile :

I was responding to a post that suggested to remap the Local Plus channels to the 2 to 49 range. I pointed out there is not enough room there. I think you did mis-understand my point. :D
My bad. I understand how the primary and sub-channels are carried from a "real" frequency allocation, just misunderstood your point.
--
REMEMBER: Stupidity should be painful !!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466189 Sun, 11 May 2008 16:49:47 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465712 Baff :
said by MeatChicken See Profile :

Not really ... Some People here have simply been posting that channels "they" aren't interested in are a "waste" in HD ...
& There hasn't been ANY mention of Losing SciFi or ESPN or ANY channel to the Weather channel.... & the list In Fact shows ALL of those being already here (ESPN), or being added the same time in the 1st wave of adds.....
The reason they are saying those channels are a waste is because of the bandwidth limitations. If there were no limitations then I'm sure that virtually everyone would say "the more the merrier, as fast as you can add them." It is a matter of priorities. I watch 10+ hours of Fox News every week, and 1-2 hours of BBC America every week. I would far rather see BBC America in HD than Fox News. I could easily wait another year to see Bill O'Reilly in HD (this is what they mean when they say it's a waste).

I used Sci-Fi, USA and ESPN as examples because most people would see the reason those are preferable. If you want, change those to a couple channels that aren't on the list that you would rather see added instead of The Weather Channel. Personally, I would far rather see BBC America than TWC. There are probably some sports channels others would rather see.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465712 Sun, 11 May 2008 14:48:21 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464651 MeatChicken :
said by Baff See Profile :

said by MeatChicken See Profile :

I'm sure there were people in 1963 proclaiming to others what sorts of programs would be "a waste" to be produced in Color ....
There is a key difference here: Bandwidth. How many people are willing to give up Sci-Fi, USA or ESPN for The Weather Channel?
Not really ... Some People here have simply been posting that channels "they" aren't interested in are a "waste" in HD ...
& There hasn't been ANY mention of Losing SciFi or ESPN or ANY channel to the Weather channel.... & the list In Fact shows ALL of those being already here (ESPN), or being added the same time in the 1st wave of adds.....

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464651 Sun, 11 May 2008 09:22:24 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463834 Baff :
said by MeatChicken See Profile :

I'm sure there were people in 1963 proclaiming to others what sorts of programs would be "a waste" to be produced in Color ....
There is a key difference here: Bandwidth. How many people are willing to give up Sci-Fi, USA or ESPN for The Weather Channel?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463834 Sun, 11 May 2008 00:19:16 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463438 MeatChicken : ... Just Seems silly & shortsighted to be picking an HD channel "the other guy" wants (CNN, ESPNN ect..), & then saying it's a waste in HD ...
I'm sure there were people in 1963 proclaiming to others what sorts of programs would be "a waste" to be produced in Color ....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463438 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:45:36 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463328 JayMan 007 :
said by rtcy See Profile :

said by JohnBrowning See Profile :

I don't get the point of wasting HD bandwidth on talking head channels!!

ESPNews HD
CNN HD
The Weather Channel HD
CNBC HD
I'm glad someone said it. Movies and Sports is what HD shines on. Seriously solid colors and maps on the weather channel in hd? waste.....
I agree with your Movie & Sports comment, but I also think other things look good in HD. I've seen Weather Channel on DirecTV, and its nice... Widescreen formatted maps.. better color..etc. CNN also looks good in HD, when something is actually in HD...
As the channels go HD, then they will get more and more HD content. So, If its HD, I want it.. or atleast the ability to watch it if I want.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463328 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:17:47 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463017 Mark F : So, would having CNN in HD make Larry King look better? Or would a close-up of him in HD be a topographical nightmare? Would having CNBC in HD make people feel better about the economy? Would having the Weather Channel in HD help end the rainy weather in Indiana? Would having FNC in HD keep my TV from leaning to the right everytime I pass by the channel? Would showing golf in HD make me a golf fan?

I'm guessing no to all the above :) but, if Verizon wants have something for everyone, they could be worthy additions.
But, some channels people want aren't yet in HD, or the rights are tied up by other TV providers. Plus, there may be other reasons.

And, I understand that having a channel in HD may be important to someone even if there's only one or two shows on that channel that they want to watch. But, multiply that sommeone by all the other someones who want a particular channel in HD for just one or two shows, and you get a lot.

But, FIOS will be a big part of TVs future, so, I think the wait will be worth it. Besides having lots and lots of HD channels isn't the main reason we got FIOS in the first place. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463017 Sat, 10 May 2008 20:42:42 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461361 rtcy :
said by JohnBrowning See Profile :

I don't get the point of wasting HD bandwidth on talking head channels!!

ESPNews HD
CNN HD
The Weather Channel HD
CNBC HD
I'm glad someone said it. Movies and Sports is what HD shines on. Seriously solid colors and maps on the weather channel in hd? waste.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461361 Sat, 10 May 2008 12:27:43 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458522 hofs1 : wasnt rescue me in hd alsp the closer too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458522 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:26:22 EDT Re: I was told by a rep in the office of VP of prog. about same http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458483 afiggatt :
said by keyboards See Profile :

Actually they could stay in the exact same frequency allocation on the fiber / incoming cable - all VZ has to do is remap them in the box (STB channels are arbitrarily assigned with no relation to the actual channel's frequency). Last I checked there are 48 slots there and 48 is greater than 21 (unless I misunderstood your point). ;-)
The HD channel re-alignment is entirely about the mapped channel numbers we see. The Local Plus channels are part of the local digital stations on QAM 71 and up as SD sub-channels mixed in with the HD sub-channels. They provide two local broadcast stations per QAM channel. Displayed channels 2 to 49 will stay there after they turn off the analog channels as they are digital to anyone with a Fios STB/DVR.

I was responding to a post that suggested to remap the Local Plus channels to the 2 to 49 range. I pointed out there is not enough room there. I think you did mis-understand my point. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458483 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:16:34 EDT Re: I was told by a rep in the office of VP of prog. about same http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458364 keyboards :
said by afiggatt See Profile :

There are at least 21 of these Local Plus channels here in the Washington Metro market with 10 of those from the two MHz stations WNVC and WNVT. Won't fit into the unused slots in the below 50 group.
Actually they could stay in the exact same frequency allocation on the fiber / incoming cable - all VZ has to do is remap them in the box (STB channels are arbitrarily assigned with no relation to the actual channel's frequency). Last I checked there are 48 slots there and 48 is greater than 21 (unless I misunderstood your point). ;-)
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said by JayMan 007 See Profile :

Any word if these additional HD's will require a channel re-alignment... I ask because don't some locals require a 30-60 day notice of these changes?

One solution would be to move the Local Plus channels (860+) to the upper 700's. This would give them 800's & 900's for HD. Or, maybe they could put them in the below 50 group, since they are "local"
Put the 860+ Local Plus channels in the below 50 group? These are the digital SD sub-channels from the local broadcast stations. There are at least 21 of these Local Plus channels here in the Washington Metro market with 10 of those from the two MHz stations WNVC and WNVT. Won't fit into the unused slots in the below 50 group.

A major channel reshuffle is necessary to make room for the HD expansion, especially if the plan is to make room for the claimed 150 HD channel capacity by the end of 2008. Yes, it triggers 30 days or longer notification requirements which means Verizon has to figure out the new channel line-up and then have letters & notices printed up with inserts for the new line-ups ahead of the 30 day notice requirement. So unless Verizon is going to surprise us with a few new HD channels before then, the July date reports may sadly be true. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457826 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:47:10 EDT Re: I was told by a rep in the office of VP of prog. about same http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457694 matcarl : They haven't mentioned anything yet, however we all anticipate that they will shuffle them around to make room.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457694 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:21:37 EDT Re: I was told by a rep in the office of VP of prog. about same http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457657 JayMan 007 :
said by perrybr See Profile :

he said end of June/beginning of July, but wouldn't give a specific date. He told me channels included would be Big Ten Network, Fox Business HD, and MLB extra innings. He said that they were trying to get all analog switched first and was working on fixing it up to get all channels available.
Any word if these additional HD's will require a channel re-alignment... I ask because don't some locals require a 30-60 day notice of these changes?

One solution would be to move the Local Plus channels (860+) to the upper 700's. This would give them 800's & 900's for HD. Or, maybe they could put them in the below 50 group, since they are "local"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457657 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:14:06 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457453 aaronwt :
said by JohnBrowning See Profile :

I don't get the point of wasting HD bandwidth on talking head channels!!

ESPNews HD
CNN HD
The Weather Channel HD
CNBC HD
Some of us don't want to watch SD. The more HD the better. after watching HD for seven years I have no desire to watch SD.

I could say many channels are wasting bandwidth, but evryone has their own preferences.

I would watch CNN HD and TWC HD many times more often than regualr ESPN HD. So in that scenario, ESPN HD would be a waste.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457453 Fri, 09 May 2008 14:25:28 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457230 JohnBrowning : I don't get the point of wasting HD bandwidth on talking head channels!!

ESPNews HD
CNN HD
The Weather Channel HD
CNBC HD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457230 Fri, 09 May 2008 13:42:16 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455436 tylert120 :
The Weather Channel HD


I wasn't even aware TWC signed an HD agreement with Verizon yet. I was only aware Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, and several other smaller companies have, though.

Either way, that'd be GREAT, as I am a TWC/weather geek! ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455436 Fri, 09 May 2008 07:54:35 EDT Re: I was told by a rep in the office of VP of prog. about same http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455149 Mark F : The Fort Wayne Komets beat Port Huron Icehawks 4-2. And, yes, it's hard to follow the puck (and maybe it's easier in HD), so I only watch hockey at the Coliseum, and only occasionally. And, golf has been described as a nice, liesurely walk on a sunny day, spoiled by a small white ball. :) But, kidding aside, I notice a lot of interest on here by those who yearn to watch golf and hockey in HD. Moreso than your average TV viewer, perhaps.

So, while I'd like as much HD and SD and everything else we want as soon as possible, I'm trying to be patient. Between all the channels on FIOS, and VOD, and internet TV, and DVDs, I have more than enough to watch.

Still, even though a new HD thread every few days won't bring us HD any faster, perhaps it helps people cope with the wait. Mark F.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455149 Fri, 09 May 2008 03:25:27 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455018 Telcoguru : Old news. It was already reported on May 3 by Polodude.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455018 Fri, 09 May 2008 02:11:14 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454977 Baff : The reference to PA should probably have been CA which will have its analog until Sept.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454977 Fri, 09 May 2008 01:46:14 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454551 MeatChicken :
said by Jay Lucky See Profile :

Yeah, that pretty much sucks, but at least we'll have it for when SG:A comes back on ;)
July 11 is SG:A from what I'm hearing ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454551 Thu, 08 May 2008 23:26:13 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20453931 Kingscup :
said by sunsetter26 See Profile :

Im a big fan of sports and hd. Dont get me wrong, I'll take any new HD channels, but it seems Verizon is also a bit behind the ball when it comes to MLB, NHL indemand.
This is because InDemand is owned by cable companies and are palying hardball when dealing with the competition like Verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20453931 Thu, 08 May 2008 21:18:52 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20453837 eric87m :
said by harley3k See Profile :

Lifetime EAST HD, but not FX HD...Brilliant.
Give the guy who came up with that a big bonus Verizon.

And thanks for giving us SciFiHD just in time for the Battlestar Galactica Season to be over.

Simply brilliant...
FX doesn't show any actual HD content... neither does Lifetime. So who cares?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20453837 Thu, 08 May 2008 20:56:00 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20453798 sunsetter26 : Im a big fan of sports and hd. Dont get me wrong, I'll take any new HD channels, but it seems Verizon is also a bit behind the ball when it comes to MLB, NHL indemand. Rumors of adding MLB this summer are nice to hear, but if they are true, by the time they actually turn off analog, half the mlb season will be over. Thats also assuming everything with the shut off goes as scheduled. Bad planning in my opinion. Im not a tech when it comes to my fios/fiber, but I thought the advantage with fiber was you have unlimited ability to add channels unlike cable lines? Why do they need to wait for analog to get turned off before they add anything? Cable companies are doing the same thing as Verizon, going all digital and adding the same hd channels. Seems like to me that fiber holds just as much data as cable lines. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20453798 Thu, 08 May 2008 20:45:50 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452631 aaronwt : The final season of BSG is split in two. The second half of the final season will air this fall or in 2009.
The first half of the final season ends on June 13th.

said by harley3k See Profile :

Ya, all we do is complain...
Why is that?

Lifetime EAST HD, but not FX HD...Brilliant.
Give the guy who came up with that a big bonus Verizon.

And thanks for giving us SciFiHD just in time for the Battlestar Galactica Season to be over.

Simply brilliant...
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452631 Thu, 08 May 2008 16:34:31 EDT I was told by a rep in the office of VP of prog. about same time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452525 perrybr : he said end of June/beginning of July, but wouldn't give a specific date. He told me channels included would be Big Ten Network, Fox Business HD, and MLB extra innings. He said that they were trying to get all analog switched first and was working on fixing it up to get all channels available.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452525 Thu, 08 May 2008 16:18:23 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452335 Jay Lucky :
said by harley3k See Profile :

And thanks for giving us SciFiHD just in time for the Battlestar Galactica Season to be over.

Simply brilliant...
Yeah, that pretty much sucks, but at least we'll have it for when SG:A comes back on ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452335 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:41:04 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452259 harley3k :
Ya, all we do is complain...
Why is that?

Lifetime EAST HD, but not FX HD...Brilliant.
Give the guy who came up with that a big bonus Verizon.

And thanks for giving us SciFiHD just in time for the Battlestar Galactica Season to be over.

Simply brilliant...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452259 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:25:27 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452222 lets456 : I had a Tech out yesterday because my ONT "phone access" went out. I asked him about the new HD channels and he said he has been hearing quite a bit of complaints. He had NO idea when then would be added, but said mid-July was his guess based on what he has heard.

However, he really had no idea. BTW, we knew his stuff and knows of these forums so he seems to keep up with it.

Not to sound like a pessimist, but it's actually only 12-13 HD channels being added because the premium channels (pay channels) I don't consider them part of the "HD Package".

D* does the same thing.... :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452222 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:18:25 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452155 CurGeorge8 : I'll believe it when I see it .....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452155 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:01:48 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452133 CeeZee :
said by Calabria See Profile :

:uhh:Why was pa mentioned,when it wasn't mentioned in the article :uhh:
I just read the article via the link the OP gave and the reference in it to Western Pa has been deleted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452133 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:57:31 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452003 Calabria : :uhh:Why was pa mentioned,when it wasn't mentioned in the article :uhh:
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No "official" word from Verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451950 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:19:30 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451936 MeatChicken : What goes around comes around ....
The Endgadget article seems to have gotten it's "rumor" & exact list from the other thread on this board, & in turn started this thread!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451936 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:16:54 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451847 Aero 1 : and you people complain! verizon is right, by spring! :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451847 Thu, 08 May 2008 13:53:03 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451845 Calabria : That doesn't make sense for eastern PA "since western pa is all digital".Why would pa have to wait a few months when there switch over is in june.I can see TX and FL because there switch over is in aug and sept.This article is crap :hmm:
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That would likely be East PA, since West PA never had analogs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451758 Thu, 08 May 2008 13:35:18 EDT Re: 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451612 anon :
said by RScottyL See Profile :

The bad news is that Florida, Texas and Western Pennsylvania will have to wait another few months before they'll have access.
Considering that Western Pennsylvania is already analog free (always has been), I'm not sure how credible the article is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451612 Thu, 08 May 2008 13:10:34 EDT 26 new HD channels for FiOS TV by the end of July? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451550 RScottyL : From »www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/08/26···of-july/ :

Not many HD fans have had to go through a longer drought without new HD channels than Verizon FiOS TV customers, but with analog channels dropping like flies all across the country, we have a juicy little rumor that we just want to believe -- after all, we already feel lied to with spring half way over. The one thing that really adds credibility to the rumor that 26 newcomers will be added by the end of July is the fact that all but two markets will be analog free just in time for 26 new channels of high-def goodness. Many don't realize that Verizon is out of bandwidth on its QAM infrastructure, so in order to free up enough space for 100 HD channels -- unfortunately not all the new throughput will be dedicated to HD -- and to keep its promise to the FCC, Verizon is eliminating 49 analog stations. The bad news is that Florida and Texas will have to wait another few months before they'll have access.

Rumored HD channel additions to Verizon's FiOS TV lineup:

Animal Planet HD
TBS HD
ESPNews HD
Big Ten Network HD
The History Channel HD
MOJO HD
CNN HD
The Learning Channel HD
Showtime Too HD East
Cinemax West HD
The Science Channel HD
Showtime HD West
HBO West HD
The Weather Channel HD
Starz Edge HD
USA HD
Versus / Golf HD
Starz Comedy HD
Bravo HD
CNBC HD
Starz Kids and Family HD
Outdoor Channel HD
SCI FI HD
Lifetime HD East
Smithsonian HD
Pay Per View HD (Events) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451550 Thu, 08 May 2008 12:59:18 EDT