Re: wrong in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20452104 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:56:56 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:56:56 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20664052 tempnexus : if the game fails to meet expectations they will blame it on the pirates and not the new copyright system.. Which will foster the new for better more intrusive copyright system. This story has been done over and over. Whenever failure occurs just blame it on the pirates and bittorents...hey it's an easy cheap scapegoat.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20664052 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:49:14 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463637 MASantangelo :
said by danawhitaker See Profile :

But I digress. I'm afraid, sadly, that this crap won't fail. Why? Look at Steam. Plenty of people said Steam would fail, Half Life 2 would fail because of it, and Steam is still going strong. The average user is probably just going to let it attempt to connect to the internet as often as it wants and not pay attention to what it's doing.
The difference being that after the initial registration and activation of Half-Life 2 you can switch to Offline-Mode and never need to bother with activations and phone-home. Steam will NOT update the game or call home (from personal experience).

Spore and Mass Effect require an initial registration/activation, then a 10 day phone-home verification. EVERY 10 days. And if you're a day late BLAM your software becomes unusable. So... See the difference?

A single activation versus 10 days is a very different matter. I _wanted_ Mass Effect. It won't be seeing my desktop... legitimately at least.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463637 Sat, 10 May 2008 23:31:52 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459283 tc1uscg :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by tc1uscg See Profile :

just like I refused to buy ANYTHING with Sony's name on after the rootkit fiasco.
Oh god please. So you don't go to movies or watch TV shows made by Sony Studios? Hardly get over it.

Anyways back to topic at hand. it's dumb. won't work. they'll give it up. problem solved.
I have gotten over it :p, and 1clickitdvd + dvd43 was the cure ;). Sony hardware. over rated :uhh:. Think I have 1 pair of sony headphones left. :o Unless you had to deal with their rootkit crap.. you wouldn't be so submissive. :( ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459283 Fri, 09 May 2008 21:30:29 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458639 tad2020 : Yeah, it keeps seeming more likely that those cyberpunk movies may have gotten the future right after all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458639 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:51:45 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458591 KrK : I've always said, and continue to believe that one day hackers will be one of last protectors of freedom--- even if what they do is/will be illegal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458591 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:40:47 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458247 tad2020 : I'm surprised no one else had pointed that out yet. You'd be totally screwed if it wasn't for the hackers making game cracks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458247 Fri, 09 May 2008 17:14:49 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457960 kamm :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by tc1uscg See Profile :

just like I refused to buy ANYTHING with Sony's name on after the rootkit fiasco.
Oh god please. So you don't go to movies or watch TV shows made by Sony Studios? Hardly get over it.
Ummm yes, I don't buy any Sony-branded product ever since the utterly fuckin' arrogant reaction of 'they don't even know what rootkit is', made by that former telco-media worm slimeball, Stringer.
Hell yes, I'd love to see Sony dying - and Sony Music WILL die very soon (interestingly enough headed by Stringer's bro, the other slimeball), next will be Sony Pictures, one of the biggest shitmaker studio.
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said by BF69 See Profile :

said by tc1uscg See Profile :

just like I refused to buy ANYTHING with Sony's name on after the rootkit fiasco.
Oh god please. So you don't go to movies or watch TV shows made by Sony Studios? Hardly get over it.

Anyways back to topic at hand. it's dumb. won't work. they'll give it up. problem solved.
I feel the exact same way! No Sony hardware in my house,PERIOD. As far as Movies? I watch consumer friendly copies ROFL!!! Games with this type of DRM aren't new, Bioshock pioneered this bullshit, I MADE SURE I had an "enhanced" copy available to ANYONE that wants it..this is OVER THE top, I don't want to RENT game titles at RETAIL PRICES...FUCK EA
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said by disconnected :

The days of disc-based software are coming to an end. And the users won't have any say in the matter.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that...
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said by disconnected :

I got this information from a Microsoft-certified programmer who works with everything from .NET to Silverlight.

The days of disc-based software are coming to an end. And the users won't have any say in the matter.
Wring, Wrang, Wrung, Wrong.

1) With all the ISP's moving to metered pay-by-the-byte billing ( see »Cable Broadband Users, Get Ready For Overage Fees ) people won't be able to afford it.

2) You're assuming that everybody actually has a fast broadband connection. Believe it or not, many people still don't.

3) The entire concept is illegal under HIPAA and under banking regulations. You don't want to even THINK about the military's reaction.

4) Are they gonna outlaw linux?

5) How much is Osama bin Laden paying Steve Ballmer to put this through? A suicide squad dressed as construction workers rents half-a-dozen backhoes, knocks out the lines to MS, Oracle, Adobe, etc, and the USA shuts down. Dohhhhh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454891 Fri, 09 May 2008 01:10:02 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454424 KrK : 10 Years from now, stricken by a Nostalgic moment, you try to go back and play and old game you used to love.

BZZZZT. Wrong guess! No "authentication" servers exist anymore. Program won't run.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454424 Thu, 08 May 2008 22:53:52 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454420 lordofwhee : Pity that's a very, very wrong view.

Number one, a vast majority of users won't go for the "pay per use" pricing model.

Number two, those of us tech-savvy enough will simply break into the servers, copy the programs, and offer them for free download, with the appropriate patch.

Piracy will never stop, no matter what idiotic measures devs take (this, for instance, will be easily beaten probably before both games mentioned in the article are even officially released, given the current efficiency of cracking teams). I'm just waiting for the day people say, "To hell with paying for ideas and information, this kind of thing should be free."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454420 Thu, 08 May 2008 22:52:45 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452893 anon : Get ready for a big campaign, because the world of software is in the process of transitioning to an online, host-based model--your PC of the near future will be but a dumb terminal and you will rent ALL software use by the hour, online, requiring an internet connection to use any program.

I got this information from a Microsoft-certified programmer who works with everything from .NET to Silverlight.

The days of disc-based software are coming to an end. And the users won't have any say in the matter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452893 Thu, 08 May 2008 17:30:10 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452374 danawhitaker : "Come on, MALWARE? You're really stretching it. If this is malware, then so is the anti-virus program that auto-updates its virus definitions."

Obviously a comment from someone who's never had multiple AV programs act like malware and continually try to auto-update even after the user checks "don't auto-update" a few dozen times. Or had an AV program delete a legitimate, software program that a user paid for because it decides that any FTP serving software must be malware or a trojan without even giving the user a chance to stop it.

But I digress. I'm afraid, sadly, that this crap won't fail. Why? Look at Steam. Plenty of people said Steam would fail, Half Life 2 would fail because of it, and Steam is still going strong. The average user is probably just going to let it attempt to connect to the internet as often as it wants and not pay attention to what it's doing. I, too, plan on cancelling my preorder for Spore, however, just as I refused to play Half-Life 2. Why? Because when I buy a game that's for offline play, I do NOT want to have to connect to the internet. Period. It doesn't matter that my PC is on 24/7 and on a cable connection. It's the principle of the matter. I'm sure they'll include this garbage in Sims 3 too when it comes out next year, so, sadly, I won't be playing that either. It really is a shame, because I built my new system under the premise that it would need to be able to handle whatever Sims 3 could throw at it. Oh well. Their loss. I'll find other games to play that don't make me feel like a criminal.
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said by AsssEffect :

The point here is that they are using relabeled "malware" (ie Sony Rootkit...) as a way for it to phone home that it is legit.
Come on, MALWARE? You're really stretching it. If this is malware, then so is the anti-virus program that auto-updates its virus definitions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452128 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:55:57 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452104 BF69 :
said by tc1uscg See Profile :

just like I refused to buy ANYTHING with Sony's name on after the rootkit fiasco.
Oh god please. So you don't go to movies or watch TV shows made by Sony Studios? Hardly get over it.

Anyways back to topic at hand. it's dumb. won't work. they'll give it up. problem solved.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452104 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:50:40 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451981 tc1uscg : Don't discount the few who may want to take the game on the road.. Just know this now, I won't buy any EA games.. just like I refused to buy ANYTHING with Sony's name on after the rootkit fiasco. How would you like to have to plug in your car every 7 days to PROVE you own it? More extreme but the same thing. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451981 Thu, 08 May 2008 14:25:44 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451825 jc100 : That's what I'm banking on to make it fail. The average user is not going to be keen enough to have to register his or her game every 10 days. I imagine EA's customer support line will be inundated with hellish amounts of upset people. Once they are informed there is no work around, I can foresee them not buying such titles again. No average Joe Schmoe is going to want to dicker with registering every 10 days. To make matters worse, most people aren't tech savvy. Therefore, you are requiring them to have internet to play a game they legally purchased. I foresee this upsetting quite a large number of the laymen out there. Sure, most probably will have internet, but it's a huge pain to constantly have to verify one's game.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451825 Thu, 08 May 2008 13:49:09 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451589 jjcrandall : I completely agree. Why is the PC industry plunging? Because they charge the same amount for a PC game as a 360 game, but they don't pay the licensing fees like they do with the PS3 or 360.

I NEVER, Pay more than 40 bucks for a game. That's not the sweet spot, it how it should be.

Games now off my list:
Spore - Sorry
Mass Effect - Sorry Again]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451589 Thu, 08 May 2008 13:04:58 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451257 Mizzat :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Agreed. Let the games using this fail miserably and see how long this idea lasts. You can be rest assured if this game has poor sales, the company will walk away from this method. Some how, I see this happening. I can't fathom that customers are going to want to mess with verifying their game every ten days either. Hence, this idea is bound to fail
Can you fathom the average person that buys the game isn't aware of this type of piracyy measure or really doesn't care?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451257 Thu, 08 May 2008 12:09:19 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451062 anon : How is this wrong??? (Your point is valid yet..)...getting their permission, every 9 days, to play a game you paid for. Do they reimburse you for your connection?

Every PC gamer I know either has a cablemodem, DSL or FIOS.
How do you get mods? Patches? Driver fixes? Updates? Multiplayer?

The point here is that they are using relabeled "malware" (ie Sony Rootkit...) as a way for it to phone home that it is legit. SECURom is a clamp. And they REQUIRE (on the box) an internet connection (although its not a multiplayer game)
(However, had they mentioned this BEFORE I pre-ordered it, I doubt I would have done so...)

Sell the title for $29 and it will move.
Selling it for $50 (still $10 less than 360 version and INCLUDES additional level that 360 owners paid extra for!)
and you better factor in lost sales to pirated versions.

Don't they get it?

BTW, I cancelled my pre-order. (I played it on the 360 and that is that). Mainly because I feel I, as a paying gamer, should not be held accountable for the miscreants that will pirate it. Bet the feature is cracked in two weeks anyway.
I got my $ back from Gamestop schmucks... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451062 Thu, 08 May 2008 11:58:56 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451186 tc1uscg : Right. I already will not buy ANYTHING that requires me to have internet connection (though I do). And when I register online, I only give my software a one time allowed connection. After that, I deny it for good. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451186 Thu, 08 May 2008 11:56:44 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451125 jc100 : Agreed. Let the games using this fail miserably and see how long this idea lasts. You can be rest assured if this game has poor sales, the company will walk away from this method. Some how, I see this happening. I can't fathom that customers are going to want to mess with verifying their game every ten days either. Hence, this idea is bound to fail]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451125 Thu, 08 May 2008 11:47:02 EDT Re: wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450811 tc1uscg :
said by jgkolt See Profile :

This is absolutely wrong. Not everyone has an internet connection to the internet nor has it on their game system. i do not have a connection to the internet on my game system. I hope this will hurt their sales and show them this is a bad idea.
Right. But then again, don't buy the game. Simple solution. That's the only REAL connection these people understand.. money!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450811 Thu, 08 May 2008 10:43:53 EDT wrong http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450739 jgkolt : This is absolutely wrong. Not everyone has an internet connection to the internet nor has it on thier game system. i do not have a connection to the internet on my game system. I hope this will hurt their sales and show them this is a bad idea.
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