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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1531837"><b>Its a Secret</b></A> : Bingo, BB, well stated. It all depends on what it (the result) is worth to you.<br><small>--<br>A triple espresso, please...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1140294"><b>Blackbird</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  astirusty <A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>... The amount of destruction needed is in relation to the potential value of the data on the disk.<br><br>So for example: A disk containing the recipe for Granny's Cookies, XXX porn, and personal e-mails would require the up-most destructive techniques.  Whereas, a disk having CC info, VA records, Taxpayer information requires nothing more than "Format C:" (at least based on past standards of data protection by implicated parties).   ;)<br> </div>That reminds me of one of Augustine's Laws: the amount of full-scale testing of a military weapons product is in inverse proportion to the unit cost of the item. ICBMs costing hundreds of millions per copy are only test-fired a handful of times ( or less)... ammunition at pennies per round is test-fired thousands of times. So the more complex and costly the system, the less full-scale testing it receives... a somewhat counter-intuitive outcome.<br><br>Though I can't put my finger on what exactly, there's something eerily similar at work with computer disk protection and the ultimate importance of what's on it.  ;)<br><small>--<br>If God wanted us to work with electrons, He'd make them big enough to see...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><b>astirusty</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Blackbird <A HREF="/useremail/u/1140294"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>While  astirusty <A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>'s pick-axe suggestion has great personal appeal to me (there's such a satisfying, gut-level aura of destruction surrounding that method), one really has to totally destroy/erase the magnetic domains of all the data on the platters to be fully proofed against partial recovery... not just punch a hole or two through it. </div>Agreed, in theory one could with enough taxpayer funding recover data from areas of the platters that were not "holed" or scratched by the impact.  Which leads to: The amount of destruction needed is in relation to the potential value of the data on the disk.<br><br>So for example: A disk containing the recipe for Granny's Cookies, XXX porn, and personal e-mails would require the up-most destructive techniques.  Whereas, a disk having CC info, VA records, Taxpayer information requires nothing more than "Format C:" (at least based on past standards of data protection by implicated parties).   ;)<br><small>--<br>Do yourself a favor, just say no to anything Windows.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:38:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1321195"><b>meister_sd</b></A> : Seems like Mother Nature is more of the problem than the burn or fall. Look at pictures 5 and 6. 5 is a different hard drive than 1 and it looks like environmental damage is the problem, not the shuttle explosion. I bet they could have recovered a lot of data had the drives been found right away.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/326902"><b>james</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Barbara Ann <A HREF="/useremail/u/222570"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I will never subject my Seagate drives to such conditions but it is reassuring from this article that Seagate is the best.<br> </div>According to the article, Seagate WAS the best. The new Seagate drives didn't survive.<br><br>Also, the article is blatantly exaggerating. It claims that the hard drive was a melted ball or something, but in the picture the platters are in great condition.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/655093"><b>Name Game</b></A> : I have a brother who has been a VP at Seagate for years now..he started out there as a quality control engineer on all their drives and new products. I will ask him next time we speak.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:00:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1215698"><b>mikenolan7</b></A> : There may not have been a team of people working on it for years.  They probably set up software and hardware searching through the billions of little magnets on the platters, looking for patterns of data not damaged, and then piecing it back together.  It might not be that expensive compared with reproducing the results of an experiment that flew on the shuttle.  Plus, look at the great publicity that Seagate and Kroll got out of it, they might have done it for free.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:37:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1196782"><b>Red Dragon</b></A> : Makes me wonder how much a sterile clean room and some fancy equipment costs to recover just 400 mb of data.<br><small>--<br>A good doctor knows their medical knowledge well. A great doctor knows their patients even better.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:04:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/222570"><b>Barbara Ann</b></A> : Thanks Name Game.<br>I will never subject my Seagate drives to such conditions but it is reassuring from this article that Seagate is the best.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:08:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1140294"><b>Blackbird</b></A> : As  Name Game <A HREF="/useremail/u/655093"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> has noted, it's the magnetic patterns in the platter oxide coatings that have to be disrupted to prevent data recovery. Dropping a drive from a very great height will not do it, unless the impact leads to catastrophic deformation of the platters. Heating the drive to a high temperature will not do it, unless either the platters melt and the coating flakes off or the magnetic coating reaches the extremely high temperature where the stored magnetic domains "relax" and disappear. Multiple-overwrite techniques <i>might</i> do it if applied fully and enough times, though the DoD no longer seems to believe it to be sufficient. Degaussing with enough "ooomph" <b>will</b> do it, though.<br><br>While  astirusty <A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>'s pick-axe suggestion has great personal appeal to me (there's such a satisfying, gut-level aura of destruction surrounding that method), one really has to totally destroy/erase the magnetic domains of all the data on the platters to be fully proofed against partial recovery... not just punch a hole or two through it.<br><br>That being said, as I read posts in threads like this, I still wonder about what many of us have stored on our drives that we seem to seriously contemplate a need for such levels of total destruction should we ever replace them. Personally, I can't imagine what that might be to justify the likes of a 4-1/2 year recovery effort by any 'authorities' or 'bad guys'.  :huh:<br><small>--<br>If God wanted us to work with electrons, He'd make them big enough to see...</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:41:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/347377"><b>bklynite</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  rob_in_chatt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1078318"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Still, over the past four-and-a-half years, data recovery specialists at Kroll Ontrack Inc. have painstakingly retrieved 99% of data store on the charred 400MB Seagate hard drive's 2.5-in. platters in just two days.<br><br>says 2 days. what the hell have they been doing with it the last 5 years?<br> </div>The data was stored to the drives over 2 days during the mission. It took 4.5 years to recover the 2 days of data.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:46:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/655093"><b>Name Game</b></A> : One stop shopping  ;)<br><br>Kroll Ontrack Launches Hardware Erasure Solution<br>09 May, 2008 08:42:00 <br><br>- Degausser Capable of Eliminating Hard Drive Data in Four Seconds - <br><br>Sydney &#150; May 9, 2008 &#150; Kroll Ontrack&reg;, the industry&#146;s leading provider of data recovery and legal technologies products and services, today announced Australian availability of Degausser DG.02, a hardware eraser solution capable of eliminating the risk of uncontrolled spread of sensitive information stored on hard drives. <br><br>By applying a strong magnetic field, the Degausser erases media in as rapidly as four seconds for a typical hard drive. The erasing is assisted by a bank of sealed lead-acid batteries, which provide the large amount of DC current required. This destroys all information recorded on the unit, including calibration and servo information. <br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cio.com.au/index.php/id;78124158" >www.cio.com.au/index.php/id;78124158</A><br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum  &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br>*<br>A fun/friendly/informative forum for the mature elder crowd<br>  &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theover50goldengroup.net" >www.theover50goldengroup.net</A><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/715380"><b>Maxo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  rob_in_chatt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1078318"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>what the hell have they been doing with it the last 5 years?</div>Scrubbing the porn off of it so that it will never ever be retrieved.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1127122"><b>flibby3655</b></A> : I'm wondering what NASA paid for that 400GB HDD in 2003? Or Earlier, 2002.<br><br>Oops... I didn't read that right. It's MB.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1078318"><b>rob_in_chatt</b></A> : Still, over the past four-and-a-half years, data recovery specialists at Kroll Ontrack Inc. have painstakingly retrieved 99% of data store on the charred 400MB Seagate hard drive's 2.5-in. platters in just two days.<br><br>says 2 days. what the hell have they been doing with it the last 5 years?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1531837"><b>Its a Secret</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  aurgathor <A HREF="/useremail/u/729709"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>But even then it still took quite a while: <br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>over the past four-and-a-half years, data recovery specialists at Kroll Ontrack Inc. have painstakingly retrieved 99% of data  <hr></blockquote><br> </div>I'm sure for such mission-critical data, they would have taken extraordinary measures to insure no data was lost.<br><small>--<br>A triple espresso, please...</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:56:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/729709"><b>aurgathor</b></A> : Aside from some debris on them, the platters pretty much survived intact, and that's the key thing for recovery.<br><br>But even then it still took quite a while: <br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>over the past four-and-a-half years, data recovery specialists at Kroll Ontrack Inc. have painstakingly retrieved 99% of data  <hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:50:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/568359"><b>snipper_cr</b></A> : Wow... so the drives I dont want the feds to see I should have destroyed better, is that what you are telling me? Jk.<br><small>--<br>Serenity Day - June 23rd 2006. You Can't Stop the Signal</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><b>astirusty</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  NetFixer <A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Here is a sample thumbnail teaser. <A HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9083478">Click the link</a> for the real images.  ;) </div>Its kind of what I thought, the platters appear to be pretty much intact.  Thus nothing for people to put their tin-foil hats on about big-brother being able to recover data from actually destroyed disk (drives/platters).  Melt the platters, sand the magnetic coating (rust) off, drill holes through the drive, or pounding the platters via a framing hammer (dimpled head), or my favorite a pick-axe through the drive, and nobody is going to recover anything meaningful.<br><small>--<br>Do yourself a favor, just say no to anything Windows.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><b>NetFixer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  astirusty <A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I would like to see pictures of the "<i>simply a cracked 'hunk of metal'</i>" disk drive assembly and then pictures of the "<i>charred</i>" platters before being impressed or amazed/scared about Kroll Ontrack being able to retrieve 99% of the stored data.  I am thinking the platters were fairly well in tact and it was only the housing that was badly damaged.  Which this statement points too: "<i>Everything but the drive's platters were virtually unusable...</i>"<br> </div>Those pictures are in a link from the original article (that's how I knew the model no. of the drive).<br><br><A HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9083478">Space Shuttle Columbia's hard disk drive</a><br><br>Here is a sample thumbnail teaser. <A HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9083478">Click the link</a> for the real images.  ;)<br><br>[att=1]<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">We can never have enough of nature.</a><br>We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.<br><A HREF="http://portscan.dcs-net.net">Test your firewall.</a></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20453336?c=1305249&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDQ1MjgyNi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="42204 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=120 HEIGHT=125 SRC="/r0/download/1305249~0b6289b9317cdc5ca4271e406179b8d1/NASA-disk-small.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><b>astirusty</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  lemonade <A HREF="/useremail/u/913716"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>... but i can't see how they are better? </div>Older drives used aluminum platters, whereas some of the new drivers are using glass platters.  It takes effort to destroy aluminum platters.  The glass ones, well they shatter into pieces with almost no effort.<br><small>--<br>Do yourself a favor, just say no to anything Windows.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><b>astirusty</b></A> : I would like to see pictures of the "<i>simply a cracked 'hunk of metal'</i>" disk drive assembly and then pictures of the "<i>charred</i>" platters before being impressed or amazed/scared about Kroll Ontrack being able to retrieve 99% of the stored data.  I am thinking the platters were fairly well in tact and it was only the housing that was badly damaged.  Which this statement points too: "<i>Everything but the drive's platters were virtually unusable...</i>"<br><small>--<br>Do yourself a favor, just say no to anything Windows.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/913716"><b>lemonade</b></A> : How's that "way better" ?<br><br>I can understand people say those older drive has better quality (may be better QA and QC) at the time they were manufactured compare to these days' , but i can't see how they are better? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>punker</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JTM1051 <A HREF="/useremail/u/170670"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  mikenolan7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1215698"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Kinda blows away this theory:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,20276120?hilite=">Re: Best way to physically destroy hard drive?</A><br> </div>Not entirely ...<br><br><i>"... Two other hard drives aboard the Columbia were too severely damaged to extract any useable data, he added. Edwards said the older Seagate hard drive -- about eight-years-old in 2003 -- featured much greater fault tolerance and durability than current hard drives of similar capacity. ..."</i><br><br>Does give some credence to the <i>latest not always the greatest</i>.  ;)<br><br>Edit: fixed typo<br> </div>i have an old 1 giger that works way better then my newer drive]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1215698"><b>mikenolan7</b></A> : I agree that "Clues to Columbia Crash" is a bit of sensationalism, but it is a great story.  Glass platters would survive much higher temperatures, but they definitely would not survive the impact with the ground as well.  My guess is that requirements for hard landings would dictate the use of aluminum.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><b>NetFixer</b></A> : Interesting article. It mentions that this was an older drive which contributed to its survival while new drives were totally destroyed. Since newer drives use glass platters as opposed to the aluminum platters used on many older drives, I would have thought that the newer glass platters would have been more likely to survive the high temperature reentry due to the relatively low melting point of aluminum. I am also pretty sure that the ST9655 family does not use glass platters, so I am guessing that the reentry temperature did not pass the melting point for aluminum at the location where this drive was mounted, and the difference might be that the oxide coating bonds to aluminum better than to glass.<br><br>The environmental specs for the ST9385AG are:<br><div class="bquote"><b>1.11.1 Ambient temperature</b><br>Operating 5&deg; to 55&deg;C (41&deg; to 131&deg;F)<br>Nonoperating &#150;40&deg; to 70&deg;C (&#150;40&deg; to 158&deg;F)<br><br><b>1.11.2 Temperature gradient</b><br>Operating 30&deg;C/hr (54&deg;F/hr) max, without condensation<br>Nonoperating 30&deg;C/hr (54&deg;F/hr) max, without condensation<br><br><b>1.11.3 Relative humidity</b><br>Operating 8% to 80% noncondensing (10% per hour max)<br>Max. wet bulb temperature: 29.4&deg;C (85&deg;F)<br>Nonoperating 8% to 90% noncondensing (10% per hour max)<br>Max. wet bulb temperature: 40&deg;C (104&deg;F)<br><br><b>1.11.4 Altitude</b><br>Operating &#150;1,000 ft to 10,000 ft (&#150;300 m to 3,000 m)<br>Nonoperating &#150;1,000 ft to 40,000 ft (&#150;300 m to 12,190 m)<br> </div>I guess that rules out NASA getting a warranty replacement from Seagate.  :(<br><br>I do have to wonder exactly what "<b><i>Clues to Columbia Crash</i></b>" were recovered from this drive since the article says it was part of a dedicated device used for a zero gravity orbital experiment.  :huh:<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">We can never have enough of nature.</a><br>We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.<br><A HREF="http://portscan.dcs-net.net">Test your firewall.</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:40:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/655093"><b>Name Game</b></A> : That's what I was thinking.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:25:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/170670"><b>JTM1051</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mikenolan7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1215698"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Kinda blows away this theory:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,20276120?hilite=">Re: Best way to physically destroy hard drive?</A><br> </div>Not entirely ...<br><br><i>"... Two other hard drives aboard the Columbia were too severely damaged to extract any useable data, he added. Edwards said the older Seagate hard drive -- about eight-years-old in 2003 -- featured much greater fault tolerance and durability than current hard drives of similar capacity. ..."</i><br><br>Does give some credence to the <i>latest not always the greatest</i>.  ;)<br><br>Edit: fixed typo]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:25:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1215698"><b>mikenolan7</b></A> : Kinda blows away this theory:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,20276120?hilite=">Re: Best way to physically destroy hard drive?</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:01:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/151802"><b>jaykaykay</b></A> : Holy cow!  Utterly unbelievable what was done.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:46:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : 99%...<br><br>That is amazing and scary...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:38:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/655093"><b>Name Game</b></A> : Recovered Seagate Disk Gives Clues to Columbia Crash<br><br>Researchers who extracted data from a hard drive onboard the ill-fated Space Shuttle Columbia mission say the device was so thoroughly damaged by its fiery crash to Earth that it resembled simply a cracked "hunk of metal" when it appeared at their door six months later.<br><br>Still, over the past four-and-a-half years, data recovery specialists at Kroll Ontrack Inc. have painstakingly retrieved 99% of data store on the charred 400MB Seagate hard drive's 2.5-in. platters in just two days. The device was found in a dried up lake bed along the shuttle's debris area.<br><br>The Columbia Shuttle disintegrated on atmosphere re-entry over Texas on Feb. 1, 2003, killing all seven crew members and scattering debris across Texas and Louisiana. Investigators determined that a piece of foam that became dislodged after launch damaged the ship's thermal protection system and led to the uncontrolled heat build-up that destroyed the spacecraft.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/145625/recovered_seagate_disk_gives_clues_to_columbia_crash.html" >www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a&middot;&middot;&middot;ash.html</A><br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum  &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br>*<br>A fun/friendly/informative forum for the mature elder crowd<br>  &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theover50goldengroup.net" >www.theover50goldengroup.net</A><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:27:54 EDT</pubDate>
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