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said by james  :Yeah, if I was locked up for years for no reason, I'd LOVE the U.S. so much. Don't you idiots realize you're MAKING terrorists by screwing around over there. Where have you been since 66' 
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Canada
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| Regaardless of anyone's views on this issue, I don't think that wikipedia link has anything to do with the topic.
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| said by fatness :Regaardless of anyone's views on this issue, I don't think that wikipedia link has anything to do with the topic. Nor did I think the comment it was in response to..this 'making of terroist' crap..but I considered the source. This is the guy we are talking about..
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdallah_S···_Al_Ajmi
nobody made him..he was picked up over there..and now went back and killed..if you read his real history then you can figure out how he ended up as an enemy combatant in the first place .
So if there is a point to be made by anyone who accuses one country that has been attacked by terroists..to be actually making them..and they are idiots..make sure your finger is not sticking up your own nose.
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| said by Name Game :said by fatness :Regaardless of anyone's views on this issue, I don't think that wikipedia link has anything to do with the topic. So if there is a point to be made by anyone who accuses one country that has been attacked by terroists..to be actually making them..and they are idiots..make sure your finger is not sticking up your own nose. Wow, that's kind of shooting yourself in the foot with that arguement. The US has 'attacked' many countries, and has performed 'acts of terrorism'. 911 was the first time it happened on American soil by foreigners (since England).
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| Canada not immune to terror attack: officials
Kevin Dougherty , Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, March 19, 2008
QUEBEC - Canada is not immune to terror attacks, government and law-enforcement officials warned at the end of a two-day conference attended Canadian and United States representatives.
Stockwell Day, Canada's public security minister, reminded reporters that Canada is the only country of the five western countries targeted by Osama bin Laden that al-Qaida has not yet been attacked.
"Like all countries in the world, we are not free of the terrorist threat," Day told reporters.
»www.canada.com/topics/news/story···&k=56147
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| Oh no! You mean my country might be blown up by terrorists too!?! Now I agree that we should lock everyone up without looking at any evidence against them!
Oh wait, I'm not a mindless sheep, I almost forgot!
I bet you'll now say, "oh, you're just a coward who is afraid to do the right thing, you don't care about your country!". But surprise, I'm in the Armed Forces of my country! Well, if a lowly infanteer like myself can see that we're over there for strategic reasons (complicated) and not to "fight terror" or "free the people", why can't you?
Oh, and if you're so convinced that these people pose a threat, perhaps you would be so kind as to stuff your arse into a flak vest and do some patrols.
(ps, I was in error when I said: "Don't you idiots realize you're MAKING terrorists by screwing around over there." I should have said "we're making terrorists" since my country is also over there, sorry for the confusion) |
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There were terrorists during the French Revolution too. So what? It has nothing to do with the topic. Do you have anything to say about granting immunity to the telephone companies for breaking the law? Or do you just wish to keep diverting to other topics?
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No..I would say that if Stockwell Day is your public security minister,write to him and tell him how ya feel.
This is one of those written thread..exercize your rights.
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said by fatness :There were terrorists during the French Revolution too. So what? It has nothing to do with the topic. Do you have anything to say about granting immunity to the telephone companies for breaking the law? Or do you just wish to keep diverting to other topics? I already said it..and not one company has been convicted of breaking any laws..or are you just trying to pretend they are already convicted. Time maybe even you looked into the cases before the courts.
If you are only looking for the rational arguments pro and con then this might help
»www.disco-tech.org/censorship_an···illance/
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Thanks for reminding me about that clown. I'm not afraid of terrorists, but I am TERRIFIED that the Intelligence community of Canada is in the hands of someone who believes Dinosaurs and Humans co-existed and that the world is 6000 years old. »news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1042814.stm
As far as nutjobs go, I put Evangelical Christians on par with Muslim extremists. I bet the Evangelicals would be blowing themselves up too if they thought they were getting 40 virgins. |
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| Well good luck and take care of yourself..you have a lot of thoughts in that post..virgins are overrated.
Ain't the BBC grand
Great tits cope well with warming
»news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/natu···0109.stm
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| That caught my eye too... Goes to show that everyone can find common ground, despite differences in opinion. |
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said by Name Game :I already said it..and not one company has been convicted of breaking any laws..or are you just trying to pretend they are already convicted. So, if they didn't break any laws whey do they want/need immunity? Hmm?
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| said by Kilroy :said by Name Game :I already said it..and not one company has been convicted of breaking any laws..or are you just trying to pretend they are already convicted. So, if they didn't break any laws whey do they want/need immunity? Hmm? Frivolous lawsuits?
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said by Name Game :not one company has been convicted of breaking any laws..or are you just trying to pretend they are already convicted. The problem is that they're trying to get immunity so that they can never be convicted.
Their claim is that they didn't break the law because they were complying with law enforcement agencies. But the agencies have no authority to give you permission to break laws. ESPECIALLY laws that were put in place to protect people from abuse by police. |
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| said by james :said by Name Game :not one company has been convicted of breaking any laws..or are you just trying to pretend they are already convicted. The problem is that they're trying to get immunity so that they can never be convicted. Their claim is that they didn't break the law because they were complying with law enforcement agencies. But the agencies have no authority to give you permission to break laws. ESPECIALLY laws that were put in place to protect people from abuse by police. Don't see it that way..heresay does not hold up in court..discover is just a fishing expedition and you need more than just reasonable cause..to have a case. In that vain laws go forward in Civil Court or even to the Supreme Court.
Thes links might help you to understand where we are today.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warran···troversy
»www.cnss.org/fisa.htm
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| said by Name Game :Don't see it that way..heresay does not hold up in court..discover is just a fishing expedition and you need more than just reasonable cause..to have a case. In that vain laws go forward in Civil Court or even to the Supreme Court. hearsay has nothing to do with it. the administration has already admitted to getting and using wiretaps without the FISA approval process, which makes them illegal. further, there's at least one more way to bring a case where the plaintiff has standing... no-one wants to do it yet because they aren't a sympathetic plaintiff.
finally, the immunity part of the bill has other constitutional issues, not the least of which is that making it retroactive is against the takings clause. additionally, many of the laws the telco's are running afoul of are state privacy laws, outside federal preemption (currently). separation of powers (state and federal, as well as the 3-way federal) is taken seriously by the constitution, and the current SCOTUS makeup is heavily federalist (strong states rights).
finally, discovery is an very useful tool in any litigation, and "reasonable cause" is your made up term and, unsurprisingly, make no sense with respect to the current discussion. |
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| The 20 to 33 cases (depending who you listen to) that are waiting in the wings or combined as far as determining they are legit..are all trying to get more docs for discovery hoping that the lead case is going to be their main bang.
»www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term···alpha/D/
One major purpose of discovery is to assess the strength or weakness of an opponent's case, with the idea of opening settlement talks. Another is to gather information to use at trial.
REASONABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE - To have knowledge of facts which, although not amounting to direct knowledge, would cause a reasonable person, knowing the same facts, to reasonably conclude the same thing. |
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"the administration has already admitted to getting and using wiretaps without the FISA approval process, which makes them illegal."
That will be an argument for the Supreme Court as to the legality..in this separation of Powers. |
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| no argument, they were admittedly illegal. no need to interpret the constitution or the enabling act. the court would only concern itself with what the penalty would be, if there were someone with standing and an injury.
congress, however, could consider it a high crime and impeach, but that's not going to happen before december. |
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