Dustyn
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Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots
My oh my... 
Get it together Microsoft. |
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Mercurybird
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My problem with XP3 was a little different...
My system is XP Home all updated with the latest and greatest. AMD Athlon 64 bit. Clean tidy system.
Upon install of SP3 the process stopped cold at the last step of restarting the services. There was nothing I could do except bail out and let it revert back to SP2.
I finally got it to install successfully by letting it hang, then going into Task manager and stopping all of the non-essential services one by one. When I finally got to the culprit it completed. I don't remember which one it was now.
At the same time it restarted again the SP3 update popped up an error that said the installation had failed. It still carried on anyway and finished. Upon reboot I now have a successful upgrade to SP3.
So if you see this symptom be sure to do the same thing. But you might look into which services are essential before you just start dumping them. You'll get a reboot if you turn off the wrong one and crash Windows. And the revert to XP2 is a hassle to sit through a few times.
BTW: I went into services.msc and stopped everything that it was possible to stop, but that didn't stop the hang from occurring. It was Task Manager that did the trick.
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Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots
I was able to load SP3 successfully on a co-worker's PC with no difficulties, but on my home workhorse, after several days of incomplete installations, it finally loaded last night.
Unfortunately, there were dozens of errors and hangs after rebooting and it slowed the PC to a crawl. The one irony I found was Spybot's TeaTimer going mad over Messenger trying to run at startup. Every two or three minutes TeaTimer popped up with "User Denied". Thankfully, I was able to use System Restore to get things up and running normally again.
I am wondering if those of us who are experiencing difficulties have a habit of deleting the $NtUninstall$ files. I have CCLeaner delete them on a regular basis, but do leave them intact for about a week after a new update is installed in case of problems. I have done so for years, leaving only the $NtServicePackUninstall$ file intact. I remember SP2 installing like a spring breeze, and at that time I ran all the betas as well, with nary a problem from beginning to end.
Looks like I will have to wait with installing SP3 for some time.
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bcastner
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| I am absolutely stunned by the notion that you would have SpyBot's TeaTimer active during a Service Pack installation. I am not surprised by the number of error messagess seen. I am quite frankly you were able to install SP3 at all.
As has been said many, many times here and in all of the official installation support documents from Microsoft, you must diable all anti-malware protections -- antivirus, anti-trojan, anti-spyware, anti-rootkit, and firewall -- prior to the installation.
For example, one of the leading factors in horked installations of IE7 was third-party firewalls.
I would view your installation with TeaTimer active with a great deal of suspicion. If I made that mistake with my box, I would uninstall SP3 and do it again, quite frankly. TeaTimer blocks permissions to the registry. That is the last thing in the world you want to have happen during a service pack installation.
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| Just for the record, I was not running TeaTimer, NIS or anything else that would interfere with the installation. That is how I was finally able to complete the installation. After rebooting, everything loaded normally and that is when TT began "popping". I am quite aware of TT's capabilities and I still have not installed IE7.  |
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bcastner
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| Thank you, that makes me feel a lot better about the state of your installation.
I note that Windows Defender, free from Microsoft, is inclusive of what TeaTimer does, and it does a lot more besides. WinPatrol from BillP Studios, freeware, is inclusive of what TeaTimer does, and a lot more.
If you detect that I do not like TeaTimer, you are correct. TeaTimer has the habit of storing its settings profile. You make changes with TeaTimer disabled. When you re-enable TeaTimer it can overwrite all the registry areas it covers with its previously stored settings, trashing all the changes you have legitimately made.
Other programs simply note the changed circumstances, intelligently find the entries in their White Lists, and leave you alone.
I would not personally allow TeaTimer within 100 nautical miles of one of my computers.
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Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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You cannot disable most antimalware programs these days. They protect themselves. You would have to uninstall them. I am not willing to do that for a Service Pack install.
I installed SP3 release candidate on a virtual machine running XP Pro SP2 while ProcessGuard and Avira 8 beta were running. I didn't even put PG in learning mode. I just clicked yes to each popup. It installed fine. I was unimpressed after using it a bit and uninstalled it.
I don't recall Messenger wanting to run at reboot. That sort of thing would be reason enough alone to not install the service pack unless one ever had to reinstall Windows. A service pack should not mess with user settings in that way. I would never be without ProcessGuard protection as I would fear IE trying to sneak off to WU. I have to keep it on a very tight leash.
What does the Service Pack do in regards to WMP? I have that stomped on and destroyed. The only WMP I have on the host machine is version 6.4. I would not want a Service Pack resurrecting a more recent version. I never use WMP and it and IE should not be part of the OS. I use Fx and Winamp. (IN the virtual machine where I installed SP3, I have not done anything to WMP because I have no sound on the virtual machine so WMP isn't going to be trying to run. Plus, I don't use that virtual machine much. I mostly use the one that has XP Pro SP1 where I could easily remove all versions of WMP down to 6.4 via the command string that Microsoft provided and other instructions, but that doesn't work on XP Pro SP2).
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| said by Mele20 :You cannot disable most antimalware programs these days. They protect themselves. You would have to uninstall them. I am not willing to do that for a Service Pack install. They protect themselves against malware not its users. You can still disable them easily. There is always safe mode install if you can't be bothered disabling layer upon layer
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Mele20
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| I don't know what AV you use or what HIPS but you cannot end task for Guard from Task Manager which is what was mentioned earlier by kcazzie as being neccessary.
I can temporarily stop PG protection, but the driver is still running and is monitoring. Same with Avira, I can make Guard inactive but Avira is still running. The only way to truly disable either is uninstalling them. I would not want to use Safe Mode because of the visual distortion and other problems using Safe Mode with almost nothing that you need running. I think I have used Safe Mode less than a handful of times since I got XP in 2003 and never used it for installing something only when absolutely necessary for troubleshooting because it is so hard to use Safe Mode. Plus, even in XP Safe Mode messes with your icons afterwards but at least doesn't move the task bar like it does in 98SE.
The best way to install something is to place PG in learning mode during the install and for a bit afterwards. Although, as I said, it installed fine on a virtual machine with Avira and PG running full blast and me just clicking yes to each popup from PG as I didn't bother putting it in learning mode which I probably would have done if that had not been a virutal machine where I could easily revert to a snapshot if something went wrong.
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Grail Knight
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Plus, even in XP Safe Mode messes with your icons afterwards but at least doesn't move the task bar like it does in 98SE.
Having used safemode very recently like yesterday on a desktop that had issues with SP3 there was no problems with icons during and afterwords.
What problems are you referring to anyway?
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AB
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said by Mele20 :You cannot disable most antimalware programs these days. They protect themselves. You would have to uninstall them. I am not willing to do that for a Service Pack install. Okay. If you say so.
. . I would never be without ProcessGuard protection as I would fear IE trying to sneak off to WU. I have to keep it on a very tight leash.
What does the Service Pack do in regards to WMP? I have that stomped on and destroyed. Well . . . there you have it, then.
said by Mele20 :. . I would not want to use Safe Mode because of the visual distortion and other problems using Safe Mode with almost nothing that you need running. I think I have used Safe Mode less than a handful of times since I got XP in 2003 and never used it for installing something only when absolutely necessary for troubleshooting because it is so hard to use Safe Mode. Plus, even in XP Safe Mode messes with your icons afterwards . . . Oh yes, absolutely. That horrible, horrible 'Safe Mode'.
"Is it safe?" -Dr. Christian Szell
The best way to install something is to place PG in learning mode during the install and for a bit afterwards.
But I'm confused-- how can I do that when I don't have PG installed to begin with?
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Grail Knight
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But I'm confused-- how can I do that when I don't have PG installed to begin with?
Install PG so you can do it right.
Seriously though SP3 played havoc on my desktop but TI had it back to normal shortly afterwords and then SP3 installed fine the second time around.
No PG either AB.
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Littlem129
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said by Mele20 :said by bcastner : Besides, has Microsoft announced yet that we can order the CD? If so, link please. Microsoft is offering SP3 on CD. Here is the info that I found.
The Windows Xp SP3 CDs are currently on back order, but there should be more available around May 22, 2008.
The SP3 CDs cost $3.99, plus $5.99 shipping.
Telephone MSFT at 1-800-360-7561, and choose the prompt for help/info about service packs. |
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Mele20
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Hilo, HI | Thank you! Wonder why the shipping is more than the CD? To discourage people from ordering them? I don't know but the CD is so light weight that seems an excessive shipping charge. |
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Oleg
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said by Littlem129 :said by Mele20 :said by bcastner : Besides, has Microsoft announced yet that we can order the CD? If so, link please. Microsoft is offering SP3 on CD. Here is the info that I found. The Windows Xp SP3 CDs are currently on back order, but there should be more available around May 22, 2008. The SP3 CDs cost $3.99, plus $5.99 shipping. Telephone MSFT at 1-800-360-7561, and choose the prompt for help/info about service packs. I'll pass i have CD/DVD burner and broadband |
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SteveBomber
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SP3 installed fine on my hp notebook
(3-year-old hp pavilion zd8000, pentium 4 3Ghz, radeon x600) |
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SP3 installed fine on my hp notebook
(3-year-old hp pavilion zd8000, pentium 4 3Ghz, radeon x600)
What brand CPU had the problem with SP3? It wasn't Intel it was the AMD Systems only.
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I have a AthlonXP 3200+ and the only stop errors I get are from nVidia display drivers because it is really hard to find a driver version that doesn't crash, especially when playing Source games.
The other, HP notebook w/ a Turion TL-56 is fine, and I don't use their images. Just plain OEM or retail from a store. |
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Littlem129
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said by Mele20 :Thank you! Wonder why the shipping is more than the CD? To discourage people from ordering them? I don't know but the CD is so light weight that seems an excessive shipping charge. Your Welcome!
I agree the shipping is excessive, but they know dial-up users are willing to pay the extra instead of going through a large download.
I know that SP3 is only 66MB or so through automatic update, but that's still a large download for dial-up.
I guess they figure if you need it and don't want to download it your willing to pay the price. |
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astirusty
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I didn't see this possible workaround mentioned, so ---
"I have found that the problem does NOT exist if one downloads the 554MB .ISO file and then burns the .ISO to a CD,” he said. “Following that, installation of Windows XP SP3 has no problems EVEN ON AMD PROCESSOR based machines. If one uses the online update to Windows XP SP3 or the 316MB installation file then problems will arise." Link to article with quote: »www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12···ots_amd/
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