[Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots in Microsoft Help http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20455680 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:54:25 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:54:25 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485433 mystery194 : Service Pack 3 can fail to appear as a WU when Automatic Updates are set to Notify. I notice this behavior on PCs that I had used dear departed AutoPatcher. This is not a bad thing. A service pack installed by Automatic Updates... hmmm, how diabolical. At best you aren't in safe mode so the installation just bounces off your security. At worst... (insert blue screen here).

I was wondering why I couldn't find KB936929 in the currently installed programs and updates. I see now the evidence of SP3 success is the long list of updates gets shortened to "Windows XP Service Pack 3."

Using the network installation .exe file to install SP3 in safe mode is the way to go. TeaTimer then becomes a moot point. The SP3 wizard extracts to a hash-named folder (i.e. aa17765d2e9ed49d934e9) containing a 398 MB i386 folder temporarily at the root of the drive you execute the install from (until the first reboot.) The wizard can complete in less than 15 minutes. It goes through the motions of creating a restore point but you won't get one if you disabled system restore. You will get $NtServicePackUninstall$ among other things.

After Service Pack 3 my C: drive content increased by 1.85 GB. It can't be emphasized enough that the install requires vast hard drive territory. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485433 Thu, 15 May 2008 03:42:17 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482467 bcastner : At the present time Service Pack 3 will only appear in Windows/Microsoft Update if you have Automatic Updates set to Notify -- but not install or download.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482467 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:33:05 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481669 anon :
said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job.
Oleg might be disabled.
Are you really serious?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481669 Wed, 14 May 2008 14:17:35 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481496 mystery194 : Recessions tend to tighten family bonds.

I am still undecided if I should recommend XPsp3 wholeheartedly. I risked two patched-up-to-date machines (I have backup images on hand) with the 66MB online update for sp3. Both were ASUS AMD with the dreaded TeaTimer enabled, and both had AV enabled (NOD32_3.0 & AVGfree). No safe mode. The newer ASUS had Comodo_3.0 firewall enabled, but in "install" mode. After the first reboot on this newer ASUS I saw the STOP error code of 0x0000007e, the tell tale mark of intelppm.sys referred to in KB888372. This was not an HP machine doing this, and subsequent reboots were without Blue Screen incident. Another machine (Intel P4) was not offered the sp3 update for reasons that are not clear. Why don't I see sp3 on the list of currently installed programs when I show updates? How does one tell if sp3 is present?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481496 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:43:09 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479546 Cudni :
said by Mele20 See Profile :

In Hawaii, it is common to find four generations under one roof and young adults live with their parents frequently because housing is so expensive.
You will find similar in continental Europe, not much so in UK. I like it, brings and preserves sense of family :)

Cudni
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said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

Oleg See Profile is a fully-abled youngster still living at home and unemployed by choice claiming his parents/family don't want him to work. He brags incessantly about stealing Commercial Software and how he can't afford anything over $30
I have not heard of Oleg before this thread.

To me, "disabled" means "unable to work due to a disability that will end in death" i.e. disabled under Social Security and receiving Social Security disability.

Thank you for those links. I wonder if the same qualifications for Lifeline apply here.

I wouldn't characterize someone who is 26 as being a "kid". Nor would I characterize them as such just because they still live with their parents. In Hawaii, it is common to find four generations under one roof and young adults live with their parents frequently because housing is so expensive.
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quote:
Oleg might be disabled.


Doubtful but it sure beats being banned or shunned forever.

Would you not agree? ;)
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said by AB See Profile :

said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job.
Oleg might be disabled.
Which would then make him unemployabe or give him carte blanche on thievery?

I don't think so.
Oleg See Profile is a fully-abled youngster still living at home and unemployed by choice claiming his parents/family don't want him to work. He brags incessantly about stealing Commercial Software and how he can't afford anything over $30

Read about it here:

»Re: Software SCAM - softwaretasking.com
said by Oleg See Profile :
I am downloading a lot of retail software and they are all clean.


said by Oleg See Profile :
Parents? I am 26.


said by Oleg See Profile :
Hell as strange as it sounds my family does not want me to work
So if you think it's wrong to steal software than it's OK to sell it


He's quite industrious too.

»[Services] Trying to save some money

»[Services] Save on your landline bill (low income families)
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job.
Oleg might be disabled.
Which would then make him unemployabe or give him carte blanche on thievery?

I don't think so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477342 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:58:00 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477306 Mele20 :
said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job.
Oleg might be disabled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477306 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:51:16 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475985 Doctor Olds :
said by Oleg See Profile :

said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

said by Oleg See Profile :

Everyone buys high end computers,but can't afford good clean retail version of XP Pro :o
Pot calling the Kettle black?
»Re: [XP Pro] Windows XP Professional with SP3 leaked
said by Oleg See Profile :

I can't afford paying for software over $30.
True,because i can't afford a good PC.
If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job.
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said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

said by Oleg See Profile :

Everyone buys high end computers,but can't afford good clean retail version of XP Pro :o
Pot calling the Kettle black?
»Re: [XP Pro] Windows XP Professional with SP3 leaked
said by Oleg See Profile :

I can't afford paying for software over $30.
True,because i can't afford a good PC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474944 Tue, 13 May 2008 11:31:29 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474937 Doctor Olds :
said by Oleg See Profile :

Everyone buys high end computers,but can't afford good clean retail version of XP Pro :o
Pot calling the Kettle black?
»Re: [XP Pro] Windows XP Professional with SP3 leaked
said by Oleg See Profile :

I can't afford paying for software over $30.

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said by bcastner See Profile :

Yes, the issue existed with Service Pack 2 installations, for the exact same reason. This KB article was written at the time of SP2, and revised last week: »support.microsoft.com/kb/888372

Now by EULA and all things holy to the legal types, this is not an issue that is Microsoft's to fix.
I agree it's not a Microsoft issue-- the problem seems to be from Hewlett-Packard Corp.

Thanks for the link and the info.
Seems like HP pretty much knew they should be installing a specific OS for AMD machines, yet didn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473467 Tue, 13 May 2008 00:59:18 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473425 bcastner : Asked by AB See Profile
quote:
Did this 'sometimes' AMD/Intel issue exist on HP computers with post-manufacture SP2 installations?
I don't recall it, if so.


Yes, the issue existed with Service Pack 2 installations, for the exact same reason. This KB article was written at the time of SP2, and revised last week: »support.microsoft.com/kb/888372

Now by EULA and all things holy to the legal types, this is not an issue that is Microsoft's to fix. I do think, however, they should have included a patch for this in the installer. I also do not think it was a deliberate choice that they made as to whether to patch or not. The only bugged incident I can find in the private Beta newsgroups about the issue was a single report after RC1 was installed. I have no idea how many possible candidates are in the pool of potential installers of XP SP3, but it must be somewhere between 1-in-1 million to 1-in-100,000 machines in total. In other words, not a huge issue for the installed base.

None the less, I would not have a single thing to disagree with if someone felt that an in-line patch should have been included with SP3. That it was not, was not a sin of commmission, but more likely that the issue just did not appear bugged enough throughout the BETA period to catch the attention of the developers.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473425 Tue, 13 May 2008 00:42:48 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473229 Oleg : Everyone buys high end computers,but can't afford good clean retail version of XP Pro :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473229 Mon, 12 May 2008 23:39:44 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472821 AB :
said by bcastner See Profile :

"Gary" is mistaken.

If he had no issues, it was because he did not have the underlying issues being discussed in the article to begin with, not because of the ISO. Not all AMD OEM images have the problem.

You can read Jesper Johannson (also quoted with"Gary") in his blog about the ins and outs of AMD issues with SP3 here: »https://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/···sp3.aspx

(Note in Jesper's blog who fixed Jesper's own computer, and identified the problem.)
I'm going to guess "you". What do I win? ;)

And btw, from Jesper's blog (bolding mine):

quote:
Ordinarily, having intelppm.sys running on an AMD-based computer appears to cause no problems. However, on the first reboot after a service pack installation, it causes a big problem. The computer either fails to boot, as in my case, or crashes with a STOP error code of 0x0000007e.


Did this 'sometimes' AMD/Intel issue exist on HP computers with post-manufacture SP2 installations?
I don't recall it, if so.

So that tells me that someone (or some different person) in the HP decision making food-chain decided to do things differently between the time their computers were manufactured with SP1 pre-installed on them and the time they were manufactured with SP2 pre-installed on them.

This is to say-- it would seem as though HP should find and identify that someone and have that someone held accountable in some way.
Or would that be asking too much of corporate America in this day and age?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472821 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:21:51 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471652 bcastner : "Gary" is mistaken.

If he had no issues, it was because he did not have the underlying issues being discussed in the article to begin with, not because of the ISO. Not all AMD OEM images have the problem.

You can read Jesper Johannson (also quoted with"Gary") in his blog about the ins and outs of AMD issues with SP3 here: »https://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/···sp3.aspx

(Note in Jesper's blog who fixed Jesper's own computer, and identified the problem.)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471652 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:44:45 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471475 astirusty :
said by bcastner See Profile :

That statement is absolutely untrue. There is no difference between the ISO image and the stand-alone redistributable, other than the format.

Any chance that "El Reg reader Gary" is right and this time MS left a few pieces out, thus there is a difference, when normally there is not a difference?

Regardless of whether there is or isn't any difference; it appears that, "Gary" who the article quotes, was successful using the 554MB .ISO. So maybe its worth a try for those who are still having problems upgrading to XP SP3.
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said by astirusty See Profile :

I didn't see this possible workaround mentioned, so ---
"I have found that the problem does NOT exist if one downloads the 554MB .ISO file and then burns the .ISO to a CD,” he said. “Following that, installation of Windows XP SP3 has no problems EVEN ON AMD PROCESSOR based machines. If one uses the online update to Windows XP SP3 or the 316MB installation file then problems will arise."
Link to article with quote: »www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12···ots_amd/
That statement is absolutely untrue. There is no difference between the ISO image and the stand-alone redistributable, other than the format. You will never find a case in which a Service Pack is versioned differently between media formats offered. To start playing that game with Service Packs would create a support nightmare. For better or worse, all the ways in which a Service Pack are offered have to, and do, proffer identical bits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471249 Mon, 12 May 2008 17:29:44 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469824 astirusty : I didn't see this possible workaround mentioned, so ---
"I have found that the problem does NOT exist if one downloads the 554MB .ISO file and then burns the .ISO to a CD,” he said. “Following that, installation of Windows XP SP3 has no problems EVEN ON AMD PROCESSOR based machines. If one uses the online update to Windows XP SP3 or the 316MB installation file then problems will arise."
Link to article with quote: »www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12···ots_amd/
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

Thank you! Wonder why the shipping is more than the CD? To discourage people from ordering them? I don't know but the CD is so light weight that seems an excessive shipping charge.
Your Welcome!

I agree the shipping is excessive, but they know dial-up users are willing to pay the extra instead of going through a large download.

I know that SP3 is only 66MB or so through automatic update, but that's still a large download for dial-up.

I guess they figure if you need it and don't want to download it your willing to pay the price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467883 Mon, 12 May 2008 00:15:15 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467877 redxii : I have a AthlonXP 3200+ and the only stop errors I get are from nVidia display drivers because it is really hard to find a driver version that doesn't crash, especially when playing Source games.

The other, HP notebook w/ a Turion TL-56 is fine, and I don't use their images. Just plain OEM or retail from a store.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467877 Mon, 12 May 2008 00:14:18 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467671 Doctor Olds :
said by SteveBomber :

SP3 installed fine on my hp notebook
(3-year-old hp pavilion zd8000, pentium 4 3Ghz, radeon x600)
What brand CPU had the problem with SP3? It wasn't Intel it was the AMD Systems only.
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(3-year-old hp pavilion zd8000, pentium 4 3Ghz, radeon x600)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465442 Sun, 11 May 2008 13:31:53 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465302 Oleg :
said by Littlem129 See Profile :

said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by bcastner See Profile :



Besides, has Microsoft announced yet that we can order the CD? If so, link please.

Microsoft is offering SP3 on CD. Here is the info that I found.

The Windows Xp SP3 CDs are currently on back order, but there should be more available around May 22, 2008.

The SP3 CDs cost $3.99, plus $5.99 shipping.

Telephone MSFT at 1-800-360-7561, and choose the prompt for help/info about service packs.
I'll pass i have CD/DVD burner and broadband :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465302 Sun, 11 May 2008 12:43:59 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464321 Mele20 : Thank you! Wonder why the shipping is more than the CD? To discourage people from ordering them? I don't know but the CD is so light weight that seems an excessive shipping charge. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464321 Sun, 11 May 2008 05:24:32 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464061 Littlem129 :
said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by bcastner See Profile :



Besides, has Microsoft announced yet that we can order the CD? If so, link please.

Microsoft is offering SP3 on CD. Here is the info that I found.

The Windows Xp SP3 CDs are currently on back order, but there should be more available around May 22, 2008.

The SP3 CDs cost $3.99, plus $5.99 shipping.

Telephone MSFT at 1-800-360-7561, and choose the prompt for help/info about service packs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464061 Sun, 11 May 2008 01:56:44 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463387 Grail Knight :
quote:
But I'm confused-- how can I do that when I don't have PG installed to begin with?


Install PG so you can do it right.

Seriously though SP3 played havoc on my desktop but TI had it back to normal shortly afterwords and then SP3 installed fine the second time around.

No PG either AB.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

You cannot disable most antimalware programs these days. They protect themselves. You would have to uninstall them. I am not willing to do that for a Service Pack install.
Okay. If you say so.

. . I would never be without ProcessGuard protection as I would fear IE trying to sneak off to WU. I have to keep it on a very tight leash.

What does the Service Pack do in regards to WMP? I have that stomped on and destroyed.
Well . . . there you have it, then.

said by Mele20 See Profile :

. . I would not want to use Safe Mode because of the visual distortion and other problems using Safe Mode with almost nothing that you need running. I think I have used Safe Mode less than a handful of times since I got XP in 2003 and never used it for installing something only when absolutely necessary for troubleshooting because it is so hard to use Safe Mode. Plus, even in XP Safe Mode messes with your icons afterwards . . .
Oh yes, absolutely. That horrible, horrible 'Safe Mode'.

"Is it safe?" -Dr. Christian Szell

The best way to install something is to place PG in learning mode during the install and for a bit afterwards.
But I'm confused-- how can I do that when I don't have PG installed to begin with?

Choppy posts rool! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463340 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:21:11 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463287 Grail Knight :
quote:
Plus, even in XP Safe Mode messes with your icons afterwards but at least doesn't move the task bar like it does in 98SE.


Having used safemode very recently like yesterday on a desktop that had issues with SP3 there was no problems with icons during and afterwords.

What problems are you referring to anyway?
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I can temporarily stop PG protection, but the driver is still running and is monitoring. Same with Avira, I can make Guard inactive but Avira is still running. The only way to truly disable either is uninstalling them. I would not want to use Safe Mode because of the visual distortion and other problems using Safe Mode with almost nothing that you need running. I think I have used Safe Mode less than a handful of times since I got XP in 2003 and never used it for installing something only when absolutely necessary for troubleshooting because it is so hard to use Safe Mode. Plus, even in XP Safe Mode messes with your icons afterwards but at least doesn't move the task bar like it does in 98SE.

The best way to install something is to place PG in learning mode during the install and for a bit afterwards. Although, as I said, it installed fine on a virtual machine with Avira and PG running full blast and me just clicking yes to each popup from PG as I didn't bother putting it in learning mode which I probably would have done if that had not been a virutal machine where I could easily revert to a snapshot if something went wrong.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

You cannot disable most antimalware programs these days. They protect themselves. You would have to uninstall them. I am not willing to do that for a Service Pack install.

They protect themselves against malware not its users. You can still disable them easily. There is always safe mode install if you can't be bothered disabling layer upon layer :)

Cudni
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I installed SP3 release candidate on a virtual machine running XP Pro SP2 while ProcessGuard and Avira 8 beta were running. I didn't even put PG in learning mode. I just clicked yes to each popup. It installed fine. I was unimpressed after using it a bit and uninstalled it.

I don't recall Messenger wanting to run at reboot. That sort of thing would be reason enough alone to not install the service pack unless one ever had to reinstall Windows. A service pack should not mess with user settings in that way. I would never be without ProcessGuard protection as I would fear IE trying to sneak off to WU. I have to keep it on a very tight leash.

What does the Service Pack do in regards to WMP? I have that stomped on and destroyed. The only WMP I have on the host machine is version 6.4. I would not want a Service Pack resurrecting a more recent version. I never use WMP and it and IE should not be part of the OS. I use Fx and Winamp. (IN the virtual machine where I installed SP3, I have not done anything to WMP because I have no sound on the virtual machine so WMP isn't going to be trying to run. Plus, I don't use that virtual machine much. I mostly use the one that has XP Pro SP1 where I could easily remove all versions of WMP down to 6.4 via the command string that Microsoft provided and other instructions, but that doesn't work on XP Pro SP2).
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I note that Windows Defender, free from Microsoft, is inclusive of what TeaTimer does, and it does a lot more besides. WinPatrol from BillP Studios, freeware, is inclusive of what TeaTimer does, and a lot more.

If you detect that I do not like TeaTimer, you are correct. TeaTimer has the habit of storing its settings profile. You make changes with TeaTimer disabled. When you re-enable TeaTimer it can overwrite all the registry areas it covers with its previously stored settings, trashing all the changes you have legitimately made.

Other programs simply note the changed circumstances, intelligently find the entries in their White Lists, and leave you alone.

I would not personally allow TeaTimer within 100 nautical miles of one of my computers.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460947 Sat, 10 May 2008 10:30:42 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460856 anon : Just for the record, I was not running TeaTimer, NIS or anything else that would interfere with the installation. That is how I was finally able to complete the installation. After rebooting, everything loaded normally and that is when TT began "popping". I am quite aware of TT's capabilities and I still have not installed IE7. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460856 Sat, 10 May 2008 10:03:42 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460837 bcastner : I am absolutely stunned by the notion that you would have SpyBot's TeaTimer active during a Service Pack installation. I am not surprised by the number of error messagess seen. I am quite frankly you were able to install SP3 at all.

As has been said many, many times here and in all of the official installation support documents from Microsoft, you must diable all anti-malware protections -- antivirus, anti-trojan, anti-spyware, anti-rootkit, and firewall -- prior to the installation.

For example, one of the leading factors in horked installations of IE7 was third-party firewalls.

I would view your installation with TeaTimer active with a great deal of suspicion. If I made that mistake with my box, I would uninstall SP3 and do it again, quite frankly. TeaTimer blocks permissions to the registry. That is the last thing in the world you want to have happen during a service pack installation.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460837 Sat, 10 May 2008 09:55:59 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460805 anon : I was able to load SP3 successfully on a co-worker's PC with no difficulties, but on my home workhorse, after several days of incomplete installations, it finally loaded last night.

Unfortunately, there were dozens of errors and hangs after rebooting and it slowed the PC to a crawl. The one irony I found was Spybot's TeaTimer going mad over Messenger trying to run at startup. Every two or three minutes TeaTimer popped up with "User Denied". Thankfully, I was able to use System Restore to get things up and running normally again.

I am wondering if those of us who are experiencing difficulties have a habit of deleting the $NtUninstall$ files. I have CCLeaner delete them on a regular basis, but do leave them intact for about a week after a new update is installed in case of problems. I have done so for years, leaving only the $NtServicePackUninstall$ file intact. I remember SP2 installing like a spring breeze, and at that time I ran all the betas as well, with nary a problem from beginning to end.

Looks like I will have to wait with installing SP3 for some time.

Sparrow See Profile]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460805 Sat, 10 May 2008 09:46:00 EDT My problem with XP3 was a little different... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460674 Mercurybird : My system is XP Home all updated with the latest and greatest. AMD Athlon 64 bit. Clean tidy system.

Upon install of SP3 the process stopped cold at the last step of restarting the services. There was nothing I could do except bail out and let it revert back to SP2.

I finally got it to install successfully by letting it hang, then going into Task manager and stopping all of the non-essential services one by one. When I finally got to the culprit it completed. I don't remember which one it was now.

At the same time it restarted again the SP3 update popped up an error that said the installation had failed. It still carried on anyway and finished. Upon reboot I now have a successful upgrade to SP3.

So if you see this symptom be sure to do the same thing. But you might look into which services are essential before you just start dumping them. You'll get a reboot if you turn off the wrong one and crash Windows. And the revert to XP2 is a hassle to sit through a few times. :p

BTW: I went into services.msc and stopped everything that it was possible to stop, but that didn't stop the hang from occurring. It was Task Manager that did the trick.
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My oh my... :p
Get it together Microsoft.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460069 Sat, 10 May 2008 01:00:54 EDT XP SP3 cripples some OEM AMD-based PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459698 Doctor Olds : »www.computerworld.com/action/art···=9084418
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According to Johansson, there appears to be two separate issues. One affects only AMD-equipped PCs sold by Hewlett-Packard Co. "The problem is that HP, apparently along with other OEMs, deploys the same image to Intel-based computers that they do to AMD-based computers," said Johansson. "Because the image for both Intel and AMD is the same, all have the intelppm.sys driver installed and running. That driver provides power management on Intel-based computers. On an AMD-based computer, amdk8.sys provides the same functionality."

Running the intelppm.sys driver on an AMD-powered PC isn't normally an issue, but on the first reboot after a service pack installation, it causes "a big problem," Johansson said. The machine either fails to boot or crashes and immediately reboots.

The other problem, according to Johansson, also seems to affect only AMD machines, and involves an error message indicating trouble with the PC's BIOS. Johansson said that the ensuing recommendation to update the BIOS is "most likely not your problem," but said that the problem may be isolated to a specific motherboard. "Possibly, it is related to computers with the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard in them," he said.

Johansson also spelled out workarounds for both problems on his blog. The HP issue can be solved by disabling the intelppm.sys driver, while the second fix requires the user to plug in a USB flash drive before booting.
Very small and specific number of OEM AMD-based PCs. It isn't as large as you make it sound.
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I have also installed SP1 on my two Vista PCs, no problems.

Do I need to start a SP installation training center?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459465 Fri, 09 May 2008 22:13:11 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459306 La Luna :
said by bcastner See Profile :

said by La Luna See Profile :

I see the fix that bcastner See Profile discussed for AMD processors in the other thread here is discussed in that article.
They quote Jesper Johannson extensively about the issue.
But did you also note in Jesper's Blog write-up (linked in the article above) who he said fixed his own computer?
»msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/···sp3.aspx
Ahem.....YOU!!

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said by Oleg See Profile :

How is it your problem when client did not have any Anti-Virus installed at all it make me mad when people com up with those claims.
They are the one who signd the check. :)
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said by howie See Profile :

Wow, XP SP3 sounds like the next ME! ;)
There was only one ME {gag} :(
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said by bcastner See Profile :

To encourage end users to fall out of the support Life-Cycle because a very small number of others have had issues installing Service Pack 3 goes completely against my selfish interests in sharing the internet with those same folks.

One does not recommend Service Pack 3 because of the enhancements to the previoius feature set enhancements of XP SP2 -- there are no feature set enhancements on which to make such a case. But that is a straw man argument in my view. Microsoft has not tried to argue that SP3 is a feature set enhancement. Their official description usually uses the term "Modest enhancements." The case is made on other grounds, some of which I cover in this note.
That is a good point except one does not fall out of the Windows life cycle for two years with regard to a new Service Pack for XP. So, wait two years before you complain about folks not installing SP3. I think most of us wait because we figure any problems with SP3 will be fixed by the time SP2 is no longer supported. Besides, has Microsoft announced yet that we can order the CD? If so, link please.

Seems to me that SP3 is mostly useful if you have to reinstall XP so there is not so many patches to install. So, the sensible thing is to get the CD from Microsoft and hold onto it and if you never need to reinstall XP then why ever upgrade? You can still install the security patches after the end of support of Service Pack 2. They just won't have been tested on SP2. If that bothers you then you should upgrade before the end of support for Service Pack 2.

I had the last release candidate on a virtual machine and it caused some problems and I don't have an AMD processor. But I also have Fx3 beta and IE8 beta on that machine so I am not sure which was causing problems. However, after I reverted to a snapshot before I installed SP3 RC, but I still had Fx 3 beta and IE 8 beta, the problems went away. So, I am in no rush to install SP3. I have two years before I would really need to install it if I want new security patches to be tested on the version of XP I use. I have made no final decisions about installing/not installing/waiting for end of SP 2 support, etc. as it just was released.
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said by ChiTang See Profile :

said by 33591094 See Profile :

said by bcastner See Profile :

AB,

A little balance here, please.
Getting in your car and driving to a shopping mall is likely a statistically higher risk proposition for you than installing XP SP3.
What a dumb analogy - is my computer in this magical car with me? WTF is your point? Am i installing SP3 whilest driving? I bet that's where my problem is!

Best to steer clear of analogies - especially those involving motor vehicles. -- those are best left for browser wars..... ;)
It means it stands a better chance to get hurted by driving a car than installing SP3. Both are statistically very low. There are people who has issue to begin with, after installing SP3, the issue shows. Is it the fault of SP3? I think not.

I dealt with one system, no antivirus, I stalled AVG Free, after the AVG updates, the system was popping up with virus warning dialog box like there was no tommorrow. My client was accusing me of infecting his system.
How is it your problem when client did not have any Anti-Virus installed at all it make me mad when people com up with those claims.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458811 Fri, 09 May 2008 19:39:26 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458771 ChiTang :
said by 33591094 See Profile :

said by bcastner See Profile :

AB,

A little balance here, please.
Getting in your car and driving to a shopping mall is likely a statistically higher risk proposition for you than installing XP SP3.
What a dumb analogy - is my computer in this magical car with me? WTF is your point? Am i installing SP3 whilest driving? I bet that's where my problem is!

Best to steer clear of analogies - especially those involving motor vehicles. -- those are best left for browser wars..... ;)
It means it stands a better chance to get hurted by driving a car than installing SP3. Both are statistically very low. There are people who has issue to begin with, after installing SP3, the issue shows. Is it the fault of SP3? I think not.

I dealt with one system, no antivirus, I stalled AVG Free, after the AVG updates, the system was popping up with virus warning dialog box like there was no tommorrow. My client was accusing me of infecting his system.
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said by bcastner See Profile :

AB,

A little balance here, please.
Getting in your car and driving to a shopping mall is likely a statistically higher risk proposition for you than installing XP SP3.
What a dumb analogy - is my computer in this magical car with me? WTF is your point? Am i installing SP3 whilest driving? I bet that's where my problem is!

Best to steer clear of analogies - especially those involving motor vehicles. -- those are best left for browser wars..... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458720 Fri, 09 May 2008 19:15:21 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458601 AB :
said by jabarnut See Profile :

Come on AB...live a little! :D
Laisez les bon temps roules! :)

AB at home, living it up
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458601 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:42:46 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458595 pitroad01 : I applied SP3 to my 6 year old Dell 8100 XP Home SP2 several days ago with no issues (did uninstall IE7 1st at the advice of this site). I then did the same on my wife's Dell 1505 (XP-Home SP2), again no issues.
That being said I sat here a few days later glued to this forum and agonized with the guy's that were totally out of luck. I've been there when my system was trashed and my only hope was some unknown guru bailing me out through the goodness of his heart. Not a place anyone wants to be.
Thank God for tech forums and folks willing to share their knowledge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458595 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:41:39 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458487 jabarnut : Come on AB...live a little! :D (BTW, I would never suggest that if it weren't for the fact that I happen to know you use Acronis TI.

(See "late edit", in my first post). ;)
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said by bcastner See Profile :

AB,

A little balance here, please.
Getting in your car and driving to a shopping mall is likely a statistically higher risk proposition for you than installing XP SP3.
I'm not aware of anyone who's ever borked their computer by going shopping. ;)
But I suppose it's happened.

I'm not here to argue the benefits/detriments of installing SP3-- my intention was in fact to add a little balance to what seems to be everybody's feeling of needing to install this ASAP. That's all.

I'm done. People are free to play it as they see fit. I'm not here to persuade anybody one way or the other. This is America, land of choices. Enjoy! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458446 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:09:15 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458393 bcastner : AB,

A little balance here, please.
Getting in your car and driving to a shopping mall is likely a statistically higher risk proposition for you than installing XP SP3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458393 Fri, 09 May 2008 17:53:21 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458375 AB :
said by bcastner See Profile :

5. Personal and selfish reasons for strongly encouraging the use of SP3 -- if you are sharing the Internet with me, I want your computer to have every Security enhancement to your OS version that is freely, and automatically, made available from Microsoft. To encourage end users to fall out of the support Life-Cycle because a very small number of others have had issues installing Service Pack 3 goes completely against my selfish interests in sharing the internet with those same folks.
If borking computers via an SP3 installation can help cut down on the number of bots and infections flying around, I'm all for it too! :D

One does not recommend Service Pack 3 because of the enhancements to the previoius feature set enhancements of XP SP2 -- there are no feature set enhancements on which to make such a case. . . .
Thank you.
Therefore, anybody reading this can now realize there's not necessarily any big rush to install SP3.
If you want to, fine-- but there's no missing the boat or putting the machine at risk by not doing so-- in fact, quite the contrary, as this and several other threads around here are showing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458375 Fri, 09 May 2008 17:48:09 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458117 bcastner :
quote:
IMO- it was irresponsible for microsoft to release this as a critical update considering the millions of your "average joes" who have HP/Compaq computers with OEM XP an AMD processors. Most of your "average joes" have no idea how to go into their registry, boot up in safe mode, ect.


I agree with you storm64007 See Profile, at least as far as I believe Microsoft could have, and should have, done something in an integrated way with both Service Pack 2 and Service Pack 3 about this issue. The problem was just as real a problem with Service Pack 2.

I understand part of the reasoning for not having done so -- the mistake was not made by Microsoft but by the large OEM computer manufacturers; by the EULA between Microsoft and them, and Microsoft and you, the responsibility for this issue is the OEM's and not Microsoft's to fix.

But if I were Gary Sinofsky, Chief of the Windows Division at Microsoft, I would have taken ownership of the problem and its fix; and dealt with it directly in an integrated fashion inside the Service Pack itself.

Best wishes,
Bill Castner
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458117 Fri, 09 May 2008 16:46:21 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458083 bcastner : AB,

I can see the case you make, and it is a good one. Let me suggest that it be tempered a bit, though:

1. The number of folks having issues is a very small percentage of those installing SP3. SP3 went through 3 Beta editions, and two Release Candidate versions. It was literally installed on hundreds of thousands of computers prior to going RTM. The number of issues reported was very small.

2. I have never seen a statistic, so I will make one up. My experience has been that about 40 percent of the installed base for XP is not current at all with Windows Updates; this includes a substantial amount of folks who never bothered with SP2. There is a compelling case for encouraging them to install SP3 -- to become current with all security and other Hotfixes, and to become current with Service Pack 2 as a feature and security baseline.

3. Support. The Microsoft Lifecyle is always based on the last Service Pack installed. Those using XP "Gold", and those using XP SP1 or 1a, have already lost any official support for XP. The way your license reads, you must stay current with the Service Pack releases to be entitled to support during the entire official LifeCycle of the product. Losing support essentially means that only identifed issues that pose a security threat will find Hotfixes any time during the remaining LifeCycle of support for the product. Even known errors will not find Hotfixes for out-of-cycle versions of XP.

4. Resources to help users with SP3 issues abound. Not only on web-based resources such as Forums like DSLR, but in hosted Newsgroups on Technet and the Microsoft General Newsgroup Community. In addition, Microsoft has offered free, unlimited, phone, online, chat and email support for any installation issues for SP3 for one entire year.

There is no dearth of folks willing and able to help with any installation issue.

5. Personal and selfish reasons for strongly encouraging the use of SP3 -- if you are sharing the Internet with me, I want your computer to have every Security enhancement to your OS version that is freely, and automatically, made available from Microsoft. To encourage end users to fall out of the support Life-Cycle because a very small number of others have had issues installing Service Pack 3 goes completely against my selfish interests in sharing the internet with those same folks.

One does not recommend Service Pack 3 because of the enhancements to the previoius feature set enhancements of XP SP2 -- there are no feature set enhancements on which to make such a case. But that is a straw man argument in my view. Microsoft has not tried to argue that SP3 is a feature set enhancement. Their official description usually uses the term "Modest enhancements." The case is made on other grounds, some of which I cover in this note.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458083 Fri, 09 May 2008 16:38:37 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458057 storm64007 : It happened to my compaq presario with AMD an XP OEM.
Would not boot into regular mode- only safe mode.
Thanks to Bcastner he gave me the fix of going into registry and stopping the Intel process.
IMO- it was irresponsible for microsoft to release this as a critical update considering the millions of your "average joes" who have HP/Compaq computers with OEM XP an AMD processors. Most of your "average joes" have no idea how to go into their registry, boot up in safe mode, ect.
The fix to this was buried in "Help" files- again, 95 percent of your average person would have a hard time finding. If microsoft knew about this problem that would effect thousands-why in the world did they not post any obvious warnings at windows update up front and why was this not brought to attention during its beta phase.

Anybody reading this an still having a problem- this was the "fix" to do in registry
Click Start, click Run, and enter: regedit
Navigate to the "Start" value of the registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet
\Services
\Intelppm

In the right panel, examine the value "Start"
Change the 'Start' value to 4 instead of its setting of 1. To do this, right click on the value "Start" in the right panel and choose Modify.

If it does not read: 00000004 then edit it so that it does.
(A value of 00000004 Disables the Service from startup.)
If the service value does not exist at all, that is good too.

The service should either be non-existent or disabled for non-Intel processors.
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said by bcastner See Profile :

. . I see no reason to avoid SP3.
Actually, I do.

If a person has kept up with hotfixes and security patches since SP2, then what does SP3 really even bring to the table? Some (theoretically) enhanced networking capabilities? Is that it? And all in exchange for the chance to perhaps seriously trash the computer?
No thank you.

You're doing great work here, Mr. Castner, no doubt about it.
Unfortunately, most average stiffs don't visit DSLR or have a Bill Castner available to bail them out.

The risk/reward factor for the average person, at least at this point in time, is simply not worth it, imo.
Not worth it even with you around to help out.
Where's the value? Where's the additional stuff we don't already have? What is our motivation to install this, other than it simply 'being available'?

Lots of folks apparently think they're obliged to install this right now, for some reason.
Include me out.

Just my opinion, but hopefully a few folks might have some second thoughts about installing this merely because it exists.
But if you or anyone else can give me some genuine, valid reasons as to why I should be jumping all over this installation, I'm all ears.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457975 Fri, 09 May 2008 16:18:27 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457910 Cabal : Additional coverage:

»www.informationweek.com/news/win···07600950

»www.itwire.com/content/view/18109/1023/

(courtesy of)

»tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid···/1258229
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All are fixable.

The two that account for about 95% of all reported incidents are:

• The intelppm driver, the subject of this thread.
• The APCI BIOS issue, easily resolved by inserting a USB pen drive in the computer and restarting. This only needs to be done once.

I see no reason to avoid SP3. If you have an AMD processor, do the "Fix". It cannot harm anything.

If you reinstall and get the reboot loop still, then insert a USB pen drive or connect an external USB drive and restart the computer in Normal mode.

If you have any other cause for the boot loop, write down the full details of the error message you can see if you restart the computer, tap the F8 function key repeatedly, and choose to disable automatic restarting prior to choosing a Normal startup. This will stop the automatic restart so that you can view the actual Stop error details.

Start a new thread here and post the full error message and error code and I promise to help you resolve the issue.

But if you intend to wait until Microsoft fixes these issues, you are in for an infinite wait. The issues are not from Microsoft's actions, and their resolution would have to come from your original computer manufacturer and not Microsoft.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457904 Fri, 09 May 2008 16:02:09 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457892 rick3475 : I had the same problem when I tried updating the first time. I ended up formating the hard drive and reloading windows XP, The same one that I erased by formatting. The next time It updated sp3 I had no problems. The only thing I did differewas to turn off virus protection during the update. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457892 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:59:24 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457848 dennilfloss : SP1 and SP2 went smooth as butter but SP3 gave me the endless reboot problem so I'll skip it until the service pack is fixed. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457848 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:50:46 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457796 Oleg : I know this.When i get a new OEM computer with pre installed OS and useless apps i always delete recovery partion and format HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457796 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:42:14 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457738 bcastner : If you did a clean install using a retail version of XP (OEM retail, or just retail) you will not have the issue. The issue arose because some large box OEM computer manufacturers were using the identical image of XP for both Intel and non-Intel processors when preinstalling at the factory.

Just a note: this same issue happened with XP SP2. This is not a new thing at all. See the (rewritten yesterday) MS KB Article about the issue, originally released when the issue arose for Service Pack 2:

You receive a “Stop 0x0000007E” error message after you upgrade to Windows XP Service Pack 2 on a non-Intel-processor-based computer
»support.microsoft.com/kb/888372

Best wishes,
Bill Castner
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457738 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:30:48 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457712 Oleg : I did clean Install on my'n.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457712 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:25:34 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457697 Anonymous_ : Wow MY AMD COMPUTER WORKS FINE AMD 64 dual core and So Does MY AMD athlon XP

( SP3 installed on two Athlon Xp's)
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Fortunately, I know Bill Castner, another Microsoft MVP, and he pointed me to a solution. It turns out that this computer is running an OEM OS image from HP. If you have an HP computer with a part number that ends with a 'z' you have an AMD-based computer. Other manufacturers have also shipped AMD-based computers, but it is unclear whether they have built their images the same way HP did. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457348 Fri, 09 May 2008 14:04:20 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456983 bcastner :
said by La Luna See Profile :

I see the fix that bcastner See Profile discussed for AMD processors in the other thread here is discussed in that article.
They quote Jesper Johannson extensively about the issue.
But did you also note in Jesper's Blog write-up (linked in the article above) who he said fixed his own computer?
»msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/···sp3.aspx]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456983 Fri, 09 May 2008 12:59:54 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456180 Oleg : I have and older AMD64 CPU no problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456180 Fri, 09 May 2008 10:32:23 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455919 kcazzie : I have two XPs PCs... Also a Vista and a Mac... Mac's (iBook) are so easy they basically just run, they're no fun... Just last week Bill Caster help me out with a problem on a pretty new Vista, thanks again Bill.. Now with my XPs... I have a new one I built and that was not a problem installing SP 3, also maybe because it's also pretty new... My wife's PC took a little time to -- found this »support.microsoft.com/kb/949377 that really helped...The problem ---> Service Pack 3 setup error. Access is denied. I followed the directions but noticed even if you disable AV/AS they are still running so go into task manager and close/ End Processes on all... Also go into your Start Up Manager and close all 3rd party programs, you want to make sure none of these will stop SP 3 from stopping/running... I'm NO authority, so if any one has a problem with this or can add to this please do... I hope this helps... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455919 Fri, 09 May 2008 09:58:14 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455911 jabarnut :
said by howie See Profile :

Wow, XP SP3 sounds like the next ME! ;)
LOL :D
FWIW, I got it howie.
I know People have been saying that about Vista. (No comparison whatsoever, in either case).

Anyway, I guess I've been pretty "lucky".
I've installed SP3 on 4 different machines now with zero problems.
(Including my MCE Laptop...the same MCE that has produced a rather long thread of problems here).

Of course, one thing to note is that I don't own an HP, or the Asus Motherboard mentioned in the link.
However, all but one of the machines is AMD based....including the Laptop.
I also disabled all anti-malware protection before installing SP3, as suggested by Microsoft.

Just call me "lucky ol' Jabarnut". :hmm: ;)

(Late edit) I wanted to add (after reading some of the posts since mine), that I agree there is really no pressing reason to install SP3 at the moment, simply because it exists.
Providing of course, that you're fully patched, with SP2.

I'll admit it...I just did it because I can.
But I will tell you one thing...I never would have done it without a full image of my existing configuration first.

Had I run into any serious problems, I'd simply resore my previous image.
After 10 minutes or so, my computers would have been running again as if SP3 never existed. (At which time I would have re-evaluated and taken it from there).
An imaging program is worth far more than it's weight in Gold, as far as I'm concerned.
(Sorry, a little OT, but worth mentioning none the less).

And if you'll forgive me for one more slightly OT comment.....one of the greatest advantages of installing this Service Pack sucessfully, is that you can post screenshots and brag about having SP3 installed, when others don't. :)

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455911 Fri, 09 May 2008 09:56:55 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455861 La Luna : Hopefully the people here who are reporting the same issues will contact MS also. The more people who let them know there is a big problem, the more likely they will get on it and fix it ASAP.

I see the fix that bcastner See Profile discussed for AMD processors in the other thread here is discussed in that article.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455861 Fri, 09 May 2008 09:47:43 EDT Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455803 howie : Wow, XP SP3 sounds like the next ME! ;)
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»www.computerworld.com/action/art···=9084418]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455680 Fri, 09 May 2008 09:14:25 EDT