quatra
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| Easiest way to get a 2050 arena rating as a warrior
I've spend 99% of my time doing PvE stuff. I'm a warrior and I have a killer fury set (2k AP, 31% crit, 5% haste, etc) and a killer tank set (18k armor, 16.5k health, 550 block - threat monster) however my PvP is lacking. I have the big 2H sword from ZJ but my only S3 gear is the helm/chest for a total of about 150 resilience. First - how much resilience do I need to see the 2050 rating and what kind of a team comp would be easiest? I hear resto druids are OP in arena. I'm willing to do any size of group. So - what would be the ideal group for a MS warrior (I'm more comfortable as a fury warrior but I suspect once I get to higher ratings I would be a liability to my team) and could you direct me to any good sites for arena theory crafting?
BTW, the reason for the 2050 rating? The season 4 shield. |
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hsindogg
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| There's no easy way. You're going to be competing with people doing as much as they can to hit 2050 too.
I'd go with 350 resilience, 1700AP unbuffed, 33% crit, and PvP hit capped, and a damn good PvP healer to have any shot at 2050.
Druid and Resto Shamans are your best bet. |
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chaud
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~300-350 resil works.
Warrior/druid in 2s will be the easiest IMO. 2k next season will not be easy. |
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quatra
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Matthews, NC | What's the PvP hit cap for a MS warrior? Lower than 142 I hope? |
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shorto85
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Re: Easiest way to get a 2050 arena rating as a warrior
5% hit |
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Mike
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Resto shamans suck in 2s.
Druid is where it's at because even if the druid dies (rarely) the heals keep going. |
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brandon
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| said by Mike  :Resto shamans suck in 2s. Druid is where it's at because even if the druid dies (rarely) the heals keep going. ...for 6 seconds. |
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AquaBlaze
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Buy it if you can't figure it out. Simple enough.
Otherwise, yeah, pair yourself with either a resto druid or disc priest. Resto shamans & Holy paladins might work...but they seem to be totally lacking in mobility heals, critical for arena style play. (Even more so in 2s. In 5s, you can stick in a holy paladin because many groups won't bother trying to claw through the super-tin-can first.) |
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Mike
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rejuv and lifebloom are longer than 6 seconds. |
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brandon
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| said by Mike :rejuv and lifebloom are longer than 6 seconds. »www.wowhead.com/?spell=33763
Unless you can cast while you're dead, I don't imagine lifebloom lasts longer than 6 seconds after the druid is dead.
Rejuve is 12 seconds. Regrowth is 21 seconds, but it's a pretty weak hot.
Absoulute best case scenario, you keep getting healed with about 300hp every 3 seconds 20 seconds after the druid dies. More typical scenario, hots are purged/dispelled off the warrior after the druid is dead, and if it's a 2v1 situation, those hots won't matter in all but the rarest cases.
I also can't remember a single situation where I, as a druid, was spamming hots on my partner when it appeared I was about to die.
PVE's your thing, right? |
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pr1mo
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| said by brandon :said by Mike :rejuv and lifebloom are longer than 6 seconds. » www.wowhead.com/?spell=33763Unless you can cast while you're dead, I don't imagine lifebloom lasts longer than 6 seconds after the druid is dead. Rejuve is 12 seconds. Regrowth is 21 seconds, but it's a pretty weak hot. Absoulute best case scenario, you keep getting healed with about 300hp every 3 seconds 20 seconds after the druid dies. More typical scenario, hots are purged/dispelled off the warrior after the druid is dead, and if it's a 2v1 situation, those hots won't matter in all but the rarest cases. I also can't remember a single situation where I, as a druid, was spamming hots on my partner when it appeared I was about to die. PVE's your thing, right? z
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james
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said by brandon :PVE's your thing, right? How did you figure that out sherlock? Was it the lack of knowledge he has about PVP? Or was it the fact that he said: "I've spend 99% of my time doing PvE stuff."
Next you'll be telling us that Bush is an idiot. |
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The last time I checked a heal still ticks when the healer is dead.
That extra burst might be the game vs a paladin or a priest. Besides, a good druid can keep full lifeblooms, rejuv, and regrowth on a target. PvP or PvE that doesn't make a difference. The only difference is the area where you have to think about mechanics.
If you're about to die and the dps is alive, you're obviously going to heal yourself. Plus while you're doing that the dps is getting healed.
If it's you or the DPS, at the time you have to think. Can it live while you die or not. Therefore those instant hots look pretty good vs a cast time. |
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brandon
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| said by Mike :The last time I checked a heal still ticks when the healer is dead. For lifebloom, that's 6 seconds, as I already said.
said by Mike :Besides, a good druid can keep full lifeblooms, rejuv, and regrowth on a target. PvP or PvE that doesn't make a difference. The only difference is the area where you have to think about mechanics. You're so wrong here it's not funny. PVE druid healing is vastly different from PVP druid healing. If a druid attempts to keep a 3-stack of lifebloom, rejuve, and regrowth on his partner in pvp, he will be oom in a matter of seconds. There's very little regen budgeted in PVP gear. In PVE, lifeblooms aren't allowed to bloom (the 3-stack is kept rolling). Most of the time in PVP, a single lifebloom is allowed to bloom (see Idol of the Emerald Queen vs. Vengeful Idol of Tenacity).
said by Mike :If you're about to die and the dps is alive, you're obviously going to heal yourself. Plus while you're doing that the dps is getting healed.
On paper it sounds like it works, but in reality, it just doesn't work that way. In pvp, you do the minimum healing necessary to get the job done. A druid simply does not put up hots like you would in PVE--it's too much of a mana waste when so many battles come down to whose mana can outlast. If you're healing yourself, there's very little chance that hots are on your partner, and if there is, it's probably a rejuve that is completely susceptible to dispel with no penalty. Further, if the druid is focused, he will throw on a hot or two on himself and go bear. When the druid goes bear, no one is getting heals until someone pulls the people off or he can get away.
So to recap: Yes, I can keep a 3-stack of lifebloom on 4 tanks in pve. No, it's absolutely impossible to do in pvp.
said by Mike :If it's you or the DPS, at the time you have to think. Can it live while you die or not. Therefore those instant hots look pretty good vs a cast time. It really just doesn't work that way in high-end pvp. |
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brandon
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said by james :said by brandon :PVE's your thing, right? How did you figure that out sherlock? Was it the lack of knowledge he has about PVP? Or was it the fact that he said: "I've spend 99% of my time doing PvE stuff." Either way, he speaks as though he is an authority on pvp resto druids, when he clearly is not.
I know you're a mod and all Mike, so I hope you don't mind me disagreeing. There's no animosity here, but you just don't have the pvp experience as a druid to understand the mechanics of it. |
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WestTex
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As a druid, I have to agree. |
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james
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I got mixed up anyways, for some reason I thought that you were replying to the OP. |
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Get yourself all the Vindicator Badge gear - Neck, Boots, Belt, Ring. Get yourself the Ring from the Sunwell badge vendor - Angelista's Revenge. Also try and get yourself as much Season 3 armor as you can get.
Now i dont know if you're a Blacksmither or not! but if ya are, i would suggest crafting you the Stormherald. If ya not, than we have to discuss somethings here.
Sword Spec is great for Shaman based teammates, due to Windfury + Sword Spec proc. Maces are great for non-shaman teammates, plus the stun is very very helpful. You need to get yourself a season 1 weap or Season 2 Weapon when it hits the Honor Vendor when S4 starts.
If you plan on doing 2v2 - I highly suggest getting a Druid/Shaman. Shaman = you Swords - Druid = you Maces.
If you plan on doing 3v3 - I highly suggest a double melee team. Resto Shaman, You, Ret Pally. Enhance, You, Priest/Druid. Burst partners with your MS = easy wins 
If you plan on doing 5v5 - Others can probably offer better advice, but higly stick with 3 DPS teams, with WindFury and a pally for your Blessing of Freedom/Cleansing.
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Sites: www.arenajunkies.com - www.sk-gaming.com
ArenaJunkies - has all the macros you need, plus the forums are helpful.
SK-Gaming - has a Warcraft section that has arena listings. This is helpful to see what team makeups are doing well. Plus looking at other wars specs is pretty useful as well.
Understand intervene + Disarm = healers lives being saved.
Understand spell reflection = saves your life!
A Macro has to be made for your intervene+disarm.
A macro has to be made for your spell reflection.
Armor penetration = Warriors best friend. This is the stat you want 100000% of. Season 4 Helm, Chest, Legs = must have first.
good luck
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said by Mike :Resto shamans suck in 2s. Druid is where it's at because even if the druid dies (rarely) the heals keep going. 1400 rated reply |
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