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spy1
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May 9th, @11:34AM
| reply to Kilroy
Re: Stop the FISA "back-room" deal
said by Kilroy  :Why? Presidential priveledge and state secrets are being claimed so the information does not have to be released. Thank you. (You'd think that would be obvious, but apparently it goes right straight over some peoples' heads).
If the government itself is the only entity that knows who's being spied on (and they are, since they're the only ones doing it)
and the government itself won't give up the names or the details - then there's no possible way for anyone to "prove" they've been wire-tapped.
This is so obvious as to make the "prove it" argument ludicrous. The only conclusion that can be drawn relating to people using that as an "arguement" in favor of un-limited, secret government power is that they want things that way.
Who knows - maybe a transitory illusion of safety makes it all worthwhile for them.
In the meantime, the ACLU is not the only privacy/rights organization that opposes the FISA "compromise" : »www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/05/ne···tiations
»cdt.org/action/snooping/
And here's some food for thought: »epic.org/ - "FISA Orders Up, Government Reporting on National Security Letters Begins
According to the 2007 FISA report, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court approved 2,370 application to conduct electronic surveillance and physical searches in the United States in 2007, up from 2,176 applications approved in 2006. For the first time, the report includes information regarding the total number of requests made by the Department of Justice with National Security Letter authority for information concerning U.S. persons. In 2006, the government made approximately 12,583 NSL requests for information concerning 4,790 U.S. persons. The 2007 NSL statistics are expected later this year. For more information on FISA, see EPIC FISA Orders page and EPIC FISA page. (May 1)
Wiretaps Up by 20 Percent in 2007
According to the 2007 Wiretap report, federal and state courts issued 2,208 orders for the interception of wire, oral or electronic communications in 2007, compared to 1,839 in 2006. (Press release.) As in 2006, no applications for wiretap authorizations were denied by either state or federal courts. The total number of authorized wiretaps has grown in each of the five past calendar years, beginning in 2003. The 2007 Wiretap Report does not include interceptions regulated by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 or interceptions initiated by the President outside the exclusive authority of the federal wiretap law and the FISA. See EPIC Wiretapping page. (Apr. 30)
*Oh - make fun of Mark Klein if you like, but have you watched this one? It's real recent:
»www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-inde···d=242310 | |
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May 9th, @12:02PM
| Not making fun of him at all..his past employer has already stated they want those documents back when he first had them published in the .pdf on the internet. I think you will find this will not be over for a while.
As for the video..I think you also know that the FBI wants the ISP's to hold record for at least two years. | |
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| said by Name Game :..I think you also know that the FBI wants the ISP's to hold record for at least two years. Quite aware of that: »www.news.com/2100-1028_3-5748649.html
FAS has some interesting reading here (start with page 28 unless you just like reading about oldies-but-goodies like TIA, CAPPS/CAPPSII/SecureFlight, etc.):
»www.fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/RL31798.pdf
"The Novel Intelligence from Massive Data (NIMD) program focuses on the
development of data mining and analysis tools to be used in working with massive
data.114 Novel intelligence refers to “actionable information not previously known.”
Massive data refers to data that has characteristics that are especially challenging to
common data analysis tools and methods. These characteristics can include unusual
volume, breadth (heterogeneity), and complexity. Data sets that are one petabyte
(one quadrillion bytes) or larger are considered to be “massive.” Smaller data sets
that contain items in a wide variety of formats, or are very heterogeneous (i.e.,
unstructured text, spoken text, audio, video, graphs, diagrams, images, maps,
equations, chemical formulas, tables, etc.) can also be considered “massive.”
According to ARDA’s website (no longer available)115 “some intelligence data
sources grow at a rate of four petabytes per month now, and the rate of growth is
increasing.” With the continued proliferation of both the means and volume of
electronic communications, it is expected that the need for more sophisticated tools
will intensify. Whereas some observers once predicted that the NSA was in danger
of becoming proverbially deaf due to the spreading use of encrypted
communications, it appears that NSA may now be at greater risk of being “drowned”
in information."
Isn't it amazing how people can claim to be concerned about "spyware" and being "profiled" by the websites they visit (being "datamined, IOW) - while at the same time not turning a hair at the fact of being MASSIVELY datamined and tracked by... their...own...government. Later, guy. Pete | |
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May 9th, @02:56PM
|  Thank Pete
If you back up to page 17..you can see they were trying to protect..It is going to be hard for the legislatures to define all these tools..the evolution of them came from the private sector since even anything close to them were gutted by previous administrations and legislatures. Budgets were cut..The White House was a travel agency and they all played cloak and dagger between themself within the beltway..spied on each other..and shared all the pork barrel.
Now protecting Americans seems to be important. I wish them all the best of luck..but you know me..I do not trust any politician..no matter what side they comb their hair. | |
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