Re: why don't they? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20456810 en Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:34:06 EDT Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:34:06 EDT Re: why don't they? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463817 patcat88 :
said by avd706 See Profile :

I don't understand what they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment.
What do you do when you need to stream 1 terabit of data per sec for a 3D VR simulator? Run it over Cat6? With the fiber to the apt unit lay out, you can always swap the ONT (fiber to electric/copper conversion box) for something faster that can take advantage of fiber, what are you going to do with Cat6?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463817 Sun, 11 May 2008 00:13:39 EDT Re: Data is Data http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462075 MacLeech :
said by avd706 See Profile :

What's the difference? You could use a bridge to connect fiber->cat 6 -> triple play switching box (whatever it is called)
The video part of the triple play is pushing out several GIGs of data per second.... 860 Mhz of channels = 135 channels at 38 Mbps each = 5.1 Gbps of data.... using a modulated analog carrier signal. Is your GigE or 10G switch going to encode that signal for transport across ethernet?

Plus coax video distribution is well entrenched, common, and cheap. 10G over ethernet in residential applications isn't.

It's cheaper and easier to for Verizon to lay fiber for current services all the way to where they need it vs. rolling a new solution or extra transport segment that may not really perform all that well (i.e. Uverse) without extra years of testing and tweaking.

Beyond that... what's the cost of a GigE or 10G switch vs. the cost of a coax splitter or Scotchlocks... No point in adding an entire extra segment (at most a couple hundred meters long) to a working distribution method.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462075 Sat, 10 May 2008 16:00:45 EDT Re: why don't they? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461942 alchav :
said by jonnyb See Profile :

What are you saying? that with this new "bendable fiber" they are going to run this to the cable boxes and modems and so on and so forth. if the answer to that question is no then you are just reiterating what i said previously. it is common knowledge that they run FTTH or to mini node in the home.
Heckler, you're all lost, this has to do with buildings and apartments. Avd706 said he didn't understand why Verizon doesn't pull Cat5 from the basement or each floor connection into the apartment. I guess the thinking was this would cut cost or be easier, but he was only thinking about Data and it would defeat the purpose of FTTH. Verizon runs Fiber to each apartment, then from there inside wire is used for each Product (Data, Voice, & Video.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461942 Sat, 10 May 2008 15:12:13 EDT Data is Data http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459934 avd706 : What's the difference? You could use a bridge to connect fiber->cat 6 -> triple play switching box (whatever it is called)

I work in an office building in brooklyn. The WAN is Fiber and each floor has 2 or 3 fiber lines connecting to gigabit switches with runs to each cubicle. The phones are digital, but they are on a parallel system. No reason you couldn't put the phones on the same system.

Each cubicle has 2 cat 5 ports (originally token ring) a cat 3 port (abandoned) and two phone jacks. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459934 Sat, 10 May 2008 00:05:28 EDT Re: why don't they? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457379 blueeyesm : Verizon would run bendable fiber (Google about it - it does exist) to the node, but most likely leave it up to the home owner/tenant to get their equipment connected to said node.

... or charge a handsome fee to do it for them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457379 Fri, 09 May 2008 14:10:47 EDT Re: why don't they? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457199 jonnyb : What are you saying? that with this new "bendable fiber" they are going to run this to the cable boxes and modems and so on and so forth. if the answer to that question is no then you are just reiterating what i said previously. it is common knowledge that they run FTTH or to mini node in the home. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457199 Fri, 09 May 2008 13:37:11 EDT Re: why don't they? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457099 RadioDoc :
said by jonnyb See Profile :

"How about Phone and TV, do you want Verizon to run Coax too?" Of coarse they have to run Coax what do you think connects to there STB's and other equipment. Sounds like you are just as narrow minded...
Research is your friend. We'll wait until you come back with a correction to your statement.

Oh hell...I'll just do it now. They run fiber to the unit which carries all services--HSI, Phone and Video--and that's been an installation sticking point with traditional fiber. The new "bendable fiber" has alleviated some of the installation hassles. Any coax or copper phone wiring is inside the apartment.
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said by avd706 See Profile :

I don't understand why they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment.
FiOS is more than Data, that's all you guys think about. How about Phone and TV, do you want Verizon to run Coax too? It has to be Fiber all the way, you guys here are too narrow minded.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457049 Fri, 09 May 2008 13:13:30 EDT Re: why don't they? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456908 RadioDoc : Precisely. The logistics are the same either way, and last I checked, laser light doesn't travel well over copper. Gigabit Ethernet is dialup compared to what that little fiber can do.
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said by avd706 See Profile :

I don't understand what they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment.
100 meter Cat5e limitation maybe?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456825 Fri, 09 May 2008 12:25:48 EDT Re: why don't they? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456810 cooldude9919 :
said by avd706 See Profile :

I don't understand what they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment.
If they are going to pull cable why not pull fiber and be ready for the next 10,20,30+ years? Sure cat6 can do gigabit but it as a 100m distance limit which you would easily run into in some of these buildings.

If your going to do it you should do it right, and do it right the first time. It will be better for everyone this way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456810 Fri, 09 May 2008 12:21:56 EDT why don't they? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456690 avd706 : I don't understand what they don't pull Cat5e or cat6 from a switchbox in the basement (or each floor) to each apartment. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456690 Fri, 09 May 2008 11:55:24 EDT