oh LOOK
@videotron.ca
| CIPPIC Files Privacy Complaint Against Bell for DPI
The Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC, www.cippic.ca) filed a complaint against Bell today with the Privacy Commissioner of Canada.
»www.cippic.ca/uploads/Bell-DPI-P···ay08.pdf
Geist:
»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2916/125/ |
|
Jedi123
@teksavvy.com | Also listed on Googles forum:
»finance.google.ca/finance?q=bce&···=hl%3Den |
|
Glen1
These Are The Good Ol' Days.
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-24
GTA Canada | reply to oh LOOK
This appears to be an interesting challenge to the use of DPI or "throttling" as most users call it.
--
My Canada includes Quebec. |
|
Ivanwho
@bell.ca
| This appears to be an interesting challenge to the use of DPI or "throttling" as most users call it.
Please do not muddy the issue by equating DPI with throttling.
DPI stands for "Deep Packet Inspection" whereby those employing it are "peering through the curtains" of (your) private data communications. It is most likely an invasion of privacy and in theory has the potential to be put to many nefarious uses, such as surveillance, collecting private communications, anti-competitive practices that limit freedom of choice (for example, by slowing the communication of or selectively inhibiting 3rd party VOIP, or 3rd party video services), developing customer profiles, limiting free speech, etc. (In the wrong hands and in conjunction with encryption-breaking, DPI could be used for even worse purposes such as capturing credit card data, etc.)
Selective (protocol-based) throttling is simply one of the purposes to which that information, once captured, can be applied.
The implicit assertion of DPI is that those employing it is has a right to access the contents (your) private communications for their own purposes and that is a very Orwellian slippery slope indeed. Net Neutrality laws must be enacted ASAP to prevent abuse.
|
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| DPI is one of the techniques used to determine what was being transmitted by a mechanism of looking for signatures without actually looking at the data itself.
Mechanisms for examining our data content have been around since before the internet and now with terabytes of storage can actually be used, usually on a line by line basis rather than through a router.
Unfortunately it appears now that DPI is being taken beyond that and identifying individual users data *by DPI techniques* within packets at a router level This is the worrisome part of the employment of DPI ... it is going beyond simply identifying packets as P2P and applying throttling techniques.
Rogers is using it to detect packets with http in them and injecting their own http into the packets stream.
DPI was synonymous with throttling, but the ISPs and developers like Ellacoya quickly realized there's a lot more one can do with it, and quickly developed other uses which are no longer the veiled curtain ... but rather staring straight at the data without humans doing it! |
|
Glen1
These Are The Good Ol' Days.
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-24
GTA Canada
 ·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Ivanwho
Please explain why you quoted my statement...I don't understand your logic. Am I making light of the DPI issue or am I showing some sort of "agreement" with what they are doing? Please clarify your point.
--
My Canada includes Quebec. |
|
Valeur
@bell.ca | DPI and throttling are not the same issue. That is why he quoted it.
Even with out the throttling debate DPI is still worrisome. I hope the Fed's crack down on Bell for violating the law instead of some token fine. |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | A year or so ago, as Rogers started throttling, DPI was synonymous with throttling. But today, throttling is only one use of DPI ... and so DPI takes on other proportions. |
|
Glen1
These Are The Good Ol' Days.
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-24
GTA Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Valeur
I can totally understand the implications of DPI, but in this forum I don't pretend to think that anyone here is worried about anything except the restrictions on P2P file sharing. Whether DPI is used for credit card information or telling what size shoes you wear...that isn't the issue that I see.
--
My Canada includes Quebec. |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Well, it's gradually coming to our attention that it can and is being used for other things. And some folks believe that it's some pretty freaky stuff. |
|
R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Privacy should be a serious concern for all right now, no doubt about it...
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
|
kitchen
@rogers.com | reply to oh LOOK
Can bell collect usrid and password whenever we sign onto a website or use remote desktop connection using DPI software? |
|
sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Technically, they don't need DPI to do this. DPI is a way of looking at the content of packets in a fast manner. They could do it simply by cloning packets to/from your IP. First, doing so is blatantly against the law, and secondly, one has to ask why would they have need to do this? What could they hope to gain? |
|
