[XP Pro] Why XP is doomed in Microsoft help

[XP Pro] Why XP is doomed in Microsoft help http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20460938 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:52:13 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:52:13 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476344 Lwilliams : Funny post! Love the sarcasm :D
They are really trying to push for Vista it seems.
We'll see ... Les ... web design san diego]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476344 Tue, 13 May 2008 15:45:51 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473967 Grail Knight : That hint was dropped by the MS VP of development at the RSA Conference in 2007.

»www.infoworld.com/article/07/02/···p_1.html

IMO 2011 is more realistic unless MS slaps some new features onto Vista rebrands it and releases it in 2009 which I doubt. A more realistic goal would be 2011.
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said by Vistaluvr2 :

Yea yea yea yea, we all hear that often enough.

Microsoft has been under huge pressure from its hardware OEMs to dump
XP, thus forcing millions of customers who have been avoiding Vista
and Vista's inevitable hardware upgrade to finally buy new computers.
Dumping XP will help Dell and HP AND Microsoft, big-time. It won't do
anything for you or me, though, since Vista still sucks, but we
obviously don't matter.

The bold is a lie - more like thousands.

It is a lie, MORE LIKE BILLIONS!

He's right Vista is a pile of shite
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said by Mele20

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Well, I read that date all over the internet, including this site, about a month ago. So, everyone got it all wrong?

I remember a previous Vista vs XP thread where 2009 was mentioned for Windows 7 and I remember a few Vista users being shocked at hearing that. A few were not happy at all. I guess we'll be seeing Save Vista threads soon enough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473702 Tue, 13 May 2008 02:50:04 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473652 Mele20 : Well, I read that date all over the internet, including this site, about a month ago. So, everyone got it all wrong? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473652 Tue, 13 May 2008 02:10:00 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473576 bcastner : There is no due date set for Windows 7.
I have no idea where you got the claim for end-2009. I can assure you it was not from Microsoft. Even abusing in the extreme Bill Gates' comments a month ago in Florida would not allow one to declare an end-2009 release date deadline promised by Microsoft.

Nor does it seem likely. For Vista I received my first Beta copies in September, 2005. Vista was released to the retail channel in January, 2007. By any reasonable stretch of the imagination an end-2009 release of Windows 7 would require first Betas right now. And there has not even been an Alpha test yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473576 Tue, 13 May 2008 01:39:18 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473547 Mele20 :

said by Blackbird

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So realize that Windows Updates after April 2009 will not be of the nature and numbers one currently experiences, even for security fixes... and the remaining XP support 'user experience' is likely to diminish over time as the end of Extended Support approaches.

You are correct and it is good to remind folks of this. However, I suspect many are waiting for Windows 7 and will upgrade from XP once it is out (assuming it is not a flop) or after it has been out a year and is stablized. Since it is due out end of 2009 even by waiting until Jan 2011 to upgrade one would still miss the bad, tail end part of XP's declining support.
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said by HoserMcMoose

Eventually, Microsoft will disallow their latest "supported" browser from being installed on XP. For example, IE7 cannot be installed on Windows 2000.

One would be wise to be very cautious about what they read into "Extended Support until April 8th, 2014." The XP security fixes during that period will not be comprehensive, particularly as time goes by, if previous obsoleting OSs are any indication of what MS will do. (And as those of us who've lived through such days can attest.) Only "critical" security fixes will then get released for XP... and the kinds of problems which fall within that definition in MS's sole opinion will diminish as time passes under Extended Support. Near the end of Extended Support, MS may even simply decline to fix a critical problem or two, as being too intimately involved with an obsoleting architecture to justify the 'massive effort' to fix it.

XP users may discover afresh that if a security hole exploit depends on the user navigating to a given malware-containing website, that may be considered a less-than-critical flaw for XP since the user can (in theory) 'simply' avoid going to such a website. Which completely ignores, of course, the consequences of involuntarily redirects, ad-page referrals, etc. If it's deemed less-than-critical by MS in their opinion, then no security patch will be forthcoming from them.

So realize that Windows Updates after April 2009 will not be of the nature and numbers one currently experiences, even for security fixes... and the remaining XP support 'user experience' is likely to diminish over time as the end of Extended Support approaches.
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said by Vistaluvr2 :

It is under my impression, if you install any OS other than the pre installed OEM OS, no manufacturer will help.

You call the manufacturer for help? I can see doing that if a part dies but no other reason. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473079 Mon, 12 May 2008 23:09:47 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471029 anon : It is under my impression, if you install any OS other than the pre installed OEM OS, no manufacturer will help.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471029 Mon, 12 May 2008 16:52:29 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471017 anon : Two words for you...Dual boot! Have the best of both worlds! XP is no more doomed than any other old OS geeks like us use (still use 98SE on an old box).

Our agency is in the process of migrating from Win 2k/XP to Vista. We work exclusively with Dell. Dell does not have driver's for some of the older systems that are currently still under lease. Vista finds everything and loads drivers, but because they are not certified Dell drivers, Dell is saying it will not honor it's contract agreement. Microsoft is supposed to contact Dell to persuade them to honor their agreement. Microsoft said it would get back with us in two days...that was over a week ago.

It's quite clear to me, Dell is not very crazy about supporting Vista...I know how they feel!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471017 Mon, 12 May 2008 16:50:29 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470358 worfnmu : "180,000 people out of the millions upon millions that use Windows? That's like a speck of dust."

That's because the rest of them upgraded to Vista and can't get the darn web browser to work (or past all the insane security measures) to add their names to the list.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470358 Mon, 12 May 2008 14:58:37 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469012 anon :

said by Mele20

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The popups are endless. I disabled UAC but I must not have done it right because the popups didn't stop.

Why are you going to Device Manager a thousand times a day?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469012 Mon, 12 May 2008 10:17:35 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468406 anon :

said by Jean_22

said by Mele20

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I installed Vista Ultimate on a virtual machine a few days ago. I have not tried yet to access the internet on it. I can't make it (so far) look anything like my XP and finding anything on it is a huge hassle. Maybe once I learn where everything is then I will start to like it but Explorer...ugh...I can't open it like in 98SE and XP. I have had to read up on every single small thing I want to do. No wonder businesses don't want Vista ...all the time it takes to just figure out the OS. The popups are endless. I disabled UAC but I must not have done it right because the popups didn't stop.

I'll stop here so I don't get too OT but I can't, so far at least, see any reason why Vista was created to be so radically different so that you cannot just install it and use it because you can't find anything (wanted to create a downloaded programs folder and even that is not simple like in 98SE and XP) even with it on Classic style which is not really Classic at all. Why did Microsoft decide to reinvent the wheel instead of a logical, gradual progression from 95/98/2000/XP/Vista? I think staying with the wheel (XP) that works great makes more sense.

No change= people compaining
Change= people complaining

Threads= Mele20 complaining]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468406 Mon, 12 May 2008 05:18:44 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468376 Mele20 : Thanks! I had discovered Personalization when I was akwardly using the mouse right handed and I saw in Personalization how to change the DPI and the mouse to left handed. I didn't scroll back upward to see Windows Color and Appearance. I looked in Theme and switched to classic but I didn't see that advanced button I wanted for display properties. Its up in Color and Appearance which makes sense. I just didn't scroll back up to see that. Duh.

Now I have the font and all those advanced items for display set the way I want them, I am much happier. I can read everything very easily now and the text under the desktop icons is very crisp and clear using Verdana. I fixed it so the desktop icons are small and fixed the start menu so they are small there too...what a relief! :D

Now I need some themes or wallpaper as when I clicked to classic theme that took away the desktop picture of a field with the sun and I don't like a blank desktop. I wonder if any of my themes that are for XP will work on Vista?

I can't get my host computer to see this guest on the network so I can't just share the folder with the themes and grab one from the host and stick on Vista...but I wonder if Vista has a themes folder by default because XP doesn't and you have to create one. At least, I feel much better now that I can easily read things. I couldn't read the help file earlier without discomfort. Now I can look for answers to how to do stuff in the help file and try to figure out why the host computer doesn't see this computer. It sees my XP guest computers and the 98SE computer so it should see the Vista one.
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said by Mele20

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Why can't I simply right click on the desktop and have it easily available?

You can. Right-click, personalize, appearance ...

Entirely intuitable for an experienced XP user. The only difference I can recall (I don't have XP in front of me) is that 'personalize' gets you a sort of 'wizard' page rather than the tabbed property sheet you get with XP. Different, but not particularly harder, and not concealed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467454 Sun, 11 May 2008 22:22:08 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467420 Mele20 : I never said that it didn't work for everyone. I was obviously referring to myself (and to others who have aging eyes and may have a similar problem) and not to everyone.

Thank you for the link. :) The only tips I have read so far for Vista are in the sticky thread here and I didn't see anything in the thread about this. Vista requires so much fixing that it will take ages to get everything working as much like in XP as possible and disabling services I want disabled, etc. I haven't gotten around to subscribing to Microsoft Vista NewsGroups yet and asking there as there is just an overwhelming amount of stuff to fix in Vista and the first thing I wanted was those damn popups gone as they make it so difficult to fix anything...then I didn't realize until I read the sticky here that I wasn't really in the Admin account so I had to go undisable that (why in the world the default Admin account is disabled by default makes no sense to me) and on and on and on..an endless stream of stuff to fix.

Like the font problem. Why in the world would Microsoft hide it? Why can't I simply right click on the desktop and have it easily available? What is Microsoft's point in making Vista so totally different from earlier OSes? Just to irritate people, I guess, and make it so they have to spend too much time learning a new OS. XP is not broken so why make radical changes in Vista? It is probably to hide the fact that the important change we were promised (new file system) we didn't get...so do a bunch of stuff with the GUI and the users will forget that they didn't get what was the important promised change. I've had transparency for windows and the taskbar since 2003 so that change in Vista doesn't do a thing for me...it is old hat.
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said by Mele20

said by Jean_22

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I like the whole Vista GUI way better. Run/Search bar integrated in the start menu is great. Most business are not upgrading, but they didn't upgrade to XP yet! They still are on 2k! If you don't like it, then don't use it but don't say they made a sucky, unworking GUI because YOU don't like it.

I have no problem with it and I can use it so it works for me. I can read on the screen no problem... You don't like the default font, it's your right, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't work for everyone

Also, found by myself in 3 minutes how to change the fonts.

I'll save you some time by linking it. »windowshelp.microsoft.com/Window···033.mspx ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467169 Sun, 11 May 2008 21:22:07 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467084 Mele20 :

said by dave

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I think this statement of what Dell likes cannot be correct.

An informed customer who buys a Vista PC is likely to buy a more expensive computer than an informed customer who buys an XP PC, for the obvious reasons: Vista needs more oomph in the hardware. Therefore, I would have expected Dell to prefer Vista.

As it seems sensible for them to cater to what the customers want, they will today sell you XP rather than risk having you go elsewhere for an XP machine and buy nothing from Dell. But if there is no credible 'elsewhere' because Microsoft won't sell XP, everyone gets to buy the expensive hardware. Don't tell me Dell doesn't like that.

Additionally, people who already have perfectly capable XP machines may eventually succumb to the 'need' to upgrade to Vista, either because the applications they want to run don't run on XP, they see benefit in Vista features, they've just been persuaded by hype, or whatever. They get to buy new hardware from Dell. I'm sure Dell likes that.

So, a successful Vista is in the interest of Dell and their ilk. Meanwhile, while that success is still unclear, of course Dell is hedging its bets by offering XP.

No, Dell is in the business of selling extremely cheap junk computers to its small consumer base and and also to small business base and those don't run Vista very well. Dell has very few consumer users. Their customer base is still 85% corporate users. What consumers they have are usually buying the $300 machine from Walmart or their gaming machines but little inbetween the two extremes. For those consumers who have the smarts to buy from Small Business division, and for actual Small Business customers also, Dell is offering XP over Vista because that is what most customers want and have told Dell they will still want after June 30th. So, Dell accomodates them, whereas, no other vendor has said they will after June 30th. Dell is bucking Microsoft by announcing publicly (not whispering it on the phone if you call them about it) on their site that after June 30 they will continue to make XP available and they will even load it on the computer at the factory. XP will be available on all Dells bought on the website or phone, after June 30, the only requirement being the customer chooses Vista Business or Ultimate and then XP is loaded at the factory. Now they make money off of this in that Vista Business or Ultimate versions cost more than XP and you have to buy one of those two to have the downgrade rights. But the significant thing here is Dell's decision to give at least a little "finger" to Microsoft just as they finally did to Intel some time ago.

As for the corporate customers, they don't generally want Vista either and Dell is not about to piss them off. They'd rather piss Microsoft off than their bread and butter. Dell will still be selling Vista machines with Vista installed for those who wantit now and certainly in the future. Dell corporate users don't generally buy machines that have extremely powerful video cards and fancy audio cards, etc. They don't need that for their business use so I fail to see how selling only Vista machines would make Dell happy. They want, above all, to have happy corporate customers. They care little about their consumer customers who would most likely be the ones possibly buying the expensive machines that can game and run Vista ultimate because they have so few consumer customers. Plus, consumers are treated so badly by Dell as far as support or financing goes that most never return to Dell. Dell still treats its corporate customers quite well and Small Business decently and those users generally prefer XP at this time and after June 30. All Dell is saying to Microsoft is that their decision to pull XP on June 30 is premature and because of that Dell will support its customers most of whom want XP until such time as they no longer want XP on new machines...ie.. until Windows 7 comes out.
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said by Jean_22

I didn't say it was "sucky". I said it doesn't work. I can't find anywhere to change the font to Verdana and to bold items that need bolding. If I can't do that it doesn't work as I need to be able to read what is on my screen. That need has NOTHING to do with something being "sucky". It has to do with being able to USE something. It doesn't have to do with whether I "like" it or not either.
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said by Jean_22

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Most business are not upgrading, but they didn't upgrade to XP yet! They still are on 2k! If you don't like it, then don't use it but don't say they made a sucky, unworking GUI because YOU don't like it.

That's mostly true about businesses, at least in my experience, but it misses the point. There were tangible and justifiable reasons for business to go to Win2K from NT; there were not similar reasons for them to go from 2K to XP. Consumers, OTOH, made a huge functionality, stability, and technology leap in going from Win9x to XP, and in that sense XP was really a godsend to consumers.

So it isn't that business is slow to migrate, although it is, it's more that Win2K was the sweet spot for business needs and XP was the sweet spot for consumers. Vista is a sweet spot for no one at all -- a new UI with massive hardware demands, bugs, compatibility problems, and no significant benefits. Microsoft damn well knows it, which is why they're working like gangbusters on Windows 7.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466739 Sun, 11 May 2008 19:37:47 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466453 CylonRed :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

And I am willing to bet my Vista machine will smoke your Windows 2000 machine :)

Does Vista know smoking will stunt it's growth?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466453 Sun, 11 May 2008 18:13:31 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466317 salzan :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

And I am willing to bet my Vista machine will smoke your Windows 2000 machine :)

Are you saying your OS is bigger than my OS?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466317 Sun, 11 May 2008 17:38:17 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466012 anon : And I am willing to bet my Vista machine will smoke your Windows 2000 machine :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466012 Sun, 11 May 2008 16:05:21 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466003 anon : Quit being trying to be like me, Killer Max. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466003 Sun, 11 May 2008 16:03:09 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465916 Corehhi :

said by dellsweig

said by La Luna

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Where's the petition to bring W98 back? I loved W98. Why doesn't MS still support W98?

XP will have run it's course by the time it's done. Time to move on folks.

I still run 98SE on a computer and it works fine. XP on another and I have no plans to upgrade unless I get to a point where I can't upgrade hardware. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465916 Sun, 11 May 2008 15:45:15 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465756 anon :

said by Jean_22

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[...say they made a sucky, unworking GUI because YOU ...

What does that have to do with why XP is doomed ? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465756 Sun, 11 May 2008 15:05:39 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465641 dave : Microsoft isn't stupid; they hve extensive user interface departments who conduct actual usability studies. So I think that even if I don't like the UI (old dog, ~new tricks), there are presumably good reasons for it, and there are likely test results that tell you why the new UI is better.

I think that MS biases things too much in favour of 'easy for newcomers' instead of 'easy for people who know their way around', but that's just my bias. GUIs are for sissies, anyway. Real Programmers drill holes in paper tape when they want to talk to computers.

Or quite possibly what we're seeing is design-by-committee, because the stakes are now so high that everything gets over-analyzed to death rather than being the quirky, flawed, but approachable brain-child of a few designers. In which case, they are stupid: committees always are.

**!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465641 Sun, 11 May 2008 14:28:36 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465593 DataDoc :

said by Blackbird

said by La Luna

:

Where's the petition to bring W98 back? I loved W98. Why doesn't MS still support W98?

XP will have run it's course by the time it's done. Time to move on folks.

CP/M will be right there to welcome you. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465593 Sun, 11 May 2008 14:13:03 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465325 Jean_22 :

said by Mele20

said by CylonRed

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If I gto Vista - first thing I would do is make it look like XP as much as possible. If it is anything like Office 2007 - it will be awhile before I switch.

Good luck with that. I installed Vista Ultimate on a virtual machine a few days ago. I have not tried yet to access the internet on it. I can't make it (so far) look anything like my XP and finding anything on it is a huge hassle. Maybe once I learn where everything is then I will start to like it but Explorer...ugh...I can't open it like in 98SE and XP. I have had to read up on every single small thing I want to do. No wonder businesses don't want Vista ...all the time it takes to just figure out the OS. The popups are endless. I disabled UAC but I must not have done it right because the popups didn't stop.

I'll stop here so I don't get too OT but I can't, so far at least, see any reason why Vista was created to be so radically different so that you cannot just install it and use it because you can't find anything (wanted to create a downloaded programs folder and even that is not simple like in 98SE and XP) even with it on Classic style which is not really Classic at all. Why did Microsoft decide to reinvent the wheel instead of a logical, gradual progression from 95/98/2000/XP/Vista? I think staying with the wheel (XP) that works great makes more sense.

No change= people compaining
Change= people complaining

I like the whole Vista GUI way better. Run/Search bar integrated in the start menu is great. Most business are not upgrading, but they didn't upgrade to XP yet! They still are on 2k! If you don't like it, then don't use it but don't say they made a sucky, unworking GUI because YOU don't like it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465325 Sun, 11 May 2008 12:51:23 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464956 Digibits : Ballmer has hinted that Windows XP's availability could be extended if customers lobby to keep the six-year-old operating system. So far, Ballmer said, they have not.

Would imagine that corporate and government inputs would carry additional weight since they bulk-purchase installation licenses.

Nonetheless, let Microsoft know your personal desire to keep XP around as a product available for purchase after June 30.

»www.computerworld.com/action/art···=9080218]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464956 Sun, 11 May 2008 11:08:56 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464948 dave : What is this 'shutdown' thing?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464948 Sun, 11 May 2008 11:06:33 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464942 anon : You must not be running a domain server and the likes. My Vista machine gets about 5 second shutdown too =)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464942 Sun, 11 May 2008 11:04:44 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464934 dave :

said by Mele20

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Dell doesn't want MS to kill XP. Dell already has told everyone that if they want XP after June 30, Dell will install XP on their new computer if they have purchased Vista Business or Ultimate so they don't have to uninstall Vista and install XP.

I think this statement of what Dell likes cannot be correct.

An informed customer who buys a Vista PC is likely to buy a more expensive computer than an informed customer who buys an XP PC, for the obvious reasons: Vista needs more oomph in the hardware. Therefore, I would have expected Dell to prefer Vista.

As it seems sensible for them to cater to what the customers want, they will today sell you XP rather than risk having you go elsewhere for an XP machine and buy nothing from Dell. But if there is no credible 'elsewhere' because Microsoft won't sell XP, everyone gets to buy the expensive hardware. Don't tell me Dell doesn't like that.

Additionally, people who already have perfectly capable XP machines may eventually succumb to the 'need' to upgrade to Vista, either because the applications they want to run don't run on XP, they see benefit in Vista features, they've just been persuaded by hype, or whatever. They get to buy new hardware from Dell. I'm sure Dell likes that.

So, a successful Vista is in the interest of Dell and their ilk. Meanwhile, while that success is still unclear, of course Dell is hedging its bets by offering XP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464934 Sun, 11 May 2008 11:00:15 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464629 CylonRed : My wife's PC is W2K Pro...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464629 Sun, 11 May 2008 09:14:09 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464515 HoserMcMoose :

Eventually, Microsoft will disallow their latest "supported" browser from being installed on XP. For example, IE7 cannot be installed on Windows 2000.

April 14th, 2009 is when Windows XP moves from Mainstream Support into Extended support. After that time no new features will be released for XP, only security fixes.

It is then scheduled to stay in the Extended Support phase for 5 years until April 8th, 2014 during which time security features will be released.

You can find more info here:

»support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy

As an FYI, Microsoft's Lifecycle support policies are pretty much best-in-business. They are releasing new product features for XP 2 years after it's successor was released and will be offering security fixes for 7 years. By contrast Apple discontinues adding new features almost immediately after releasing a new version of OS X and only releases security fixes for about 3 years (10.3 was just recently EOLed). Most versions of desktop Linux are in the same boat or worse, though some server versions offer reasonable security fix support.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464515 Sun, 11 May 2008 08:16:51 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464205 me2000 : Lets start that petition!! I'm sure we can find 180,000 people to sign it!! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464205 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:09:59 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463985 La Luna :

said by dellsweig

:

La Luna - I just found a copy of W98 in my junk box - do you need it :D

Wait - I have 95 here too, and wait a minute - I have floppies (remember those) with QDOS on it of you really want - wait - computers dont come with floppies anymore - oh well - I guess we can send those to school with my kids for show and tell..

BTW: I really like Vista - runs great, stable, fast - and if I really need XP - I just pop open an XP VM.....

I've still got my W98SE box here, and it still works great when I fire it up occasionally! I want it supported, dammit! :D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463985 Sun, 11 May 2008 01:24:17 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463971 OZO : IMHO, WP is in the point where there is no need for vendor support anymore. It's basically working and is working well (unless they will break it somehow again).

BTW, I still enjoy shutdown time around 5 sec with my Windows 2000 Server and I do not care if it's out of support at all. :) As a file server it satisfies my needs 100%, it's not bloated (see Fat OS) and, as a result, it's a light-speed fast. Do I need something more for the job it does? :)

I'm sure the same thing will happen with WXP and my need for its support...
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said by OZO

:

Well, it means users will install Firefox instead. Who will win then? :)

Thats exactly my point. Cringley doesn't seem to believe that third party support is enough to keep XP viable from a security standpoint. I disagree and think third party AV and browser solutions will keep XP humming along nicely regardless of what MS does with their support.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463842 Sun, 11 May 2008 00:23:01 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463818 OZO : Well, it means users will install Firefox instead. Who will win then? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463818 Sun, 11 May 2008 00:14:10 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463783 djrobx :

said by Mele20

:

Pull support for IE? Errr....IE8 is in beta. If you meant Microsoft might stop supporting IE6 on XP well one could upgrade to IE8.

Eventually, Microsoft will disallow their latest "supported" browser from being installed on XP. For example, IE7 cannot be installed on Windows 2000.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463783 Sun, 11 May 2008 00:04:39 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463718 Mele20 :

said by djrobx

:

MS may pull support for IE, but users will likely to be able to continue to get updates for Firefox for a long time, which would mitigate the lack of updates from MS.

Pull support for IE? Errr....IE8 is in beta. If you meant Microsoft might stop supporting IE6 on XP well one could upgrade to IE8.
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quote:
And if one or more of the security companies like Symantec or McAfee think they can make a business out of defending XP, I simply doubt that customers will pay.

What? People have been paying these companies to keep their OS secure for years. Why would they suddenly stop?

Firewalling and AV software should take care of unattended worm types of threats. We haven't seen anything like Nimda for a while. Aside from that, a computer's biggest exposure to threats is through the web and email. MS may pull support for IE, but users will likely to be able to continue to get updates for Firefox for a long time, which would mitigate the lack of updates from MS.

I've seen plenty of people successfully running 2000 and 98SE. XP will be no different.
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said by La Luna

:

Where's the petition to bring W98 back? I loved W98. Why doesn't MS still support W98?

XP will have run it's course by the time it's done. Time to move on folks.

Shhh, Luna! Some of us out here are still running W98. Once the malware perps are totally preoccupied hacking away at Vista, XP, Win7, and even OSX, we'll enter our golden era of security-through-obscurity. ;)
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said by CylonRed

:

If I gto Vista - first thing I would do is make it look like XP as much as possible. If it is anything like Office 2007 - it will be awhile before I switch.

said by angussf

:

Microsoft has been under huge pressure from its hardware OEMs to dump
XP, thus forcing millions of customers who have been avoiding Vista
and Vista's inevitable hardware upgrade to finally buy new computers.
Dumping XP will help Dell and HP AND Microsoft, big-time. It won't do
anything for you or me, though, since Vista still sucks, but we
obviously don't matter.

Those customers who think they'll keep XP going on their own will
probably be out of luck, too. With Microsoft abandoning security
upgrades, hackers will eat holes in the old OS practically overnight.

Ahhh, Ripvanwinkle wakes up, has no idea what is going on currently but writes a column anyway. Lovely. :(

Dell doesn't want MS to kill XP. Dell already has told everyone that if they want XP after June 30, Dell will install XP on their new computer if they have purchased Vista Business or Ultimate so they don't have to uninstall Vista and install XP. A Vista disk will be sent on the side for them to use if they ever want to "upgrade" to Vista. I suspect HP and the others will follow Dell in this and that certainly isn't making Microsoft happy. Of course, what Dell wants is for Microsoft to rescind the June 30 deadline because consumers just want to buy a computer with XP on it not have to pay for one of two versions of Vista in order to get XP after June 30. But with Dell announcing that they will install XP at the factory after June 30 for anyone exercising downgrade rights (and home users also have the downgrade rights) that makes it much easier for users. Dell would not be giving Microsoft the finger if they wanted, as Cringley thinks, to get Microsoft to dump XP. Dell's having a good time selling what folks want: XP loaded on the new computer....such a good time that they actually decided to buck Microsoft after June 30.

As for his extremely uninformed comment about no patches for XP...I think he needs to go back to sleep for another 20 years.
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If I gto Vista - first thing I would do is make it look like XP as much as possible. If it is anything like Office 2007 - it will be awhile before I switch.
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said by MarkAW

:

I was still running Windows 98se up until a week ago before i put XP Pro on my daughters computer and never had any problems with it virus or malware wise.

98se was a GREAT OS. Very stable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463341 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:21:12 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463182 MarkAW :

said by Packeteers

said by angussf

:

Those customers who think they'll keep XP going on their own will
probably be out of luck, too. With Microsoft abandoning security
upgrades, hackers will eat holes in the old OS practically overnight.
And if one or more of the security companies like Symantec or McAfee
think they can make a business out of defending XP, I simply doubt
that customers will pay.

I don't understand this concern.
I'm still running Win2K Pro, and
have not suffered a single virus
or malware incident in years.

I was still running Windows 98se up until a week ago before i put XP Pro on my daughters computer and never had any problems with it virus or malware wise.
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said by angussf

I don't understand this concern.
I'm still running Win2K Pro, and
have not suffered a single virus
or malware incident in years.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463164 Sat, 10 May 2008 21:26:36 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463150 Wolfie00 :

said by sirghost

:

Wolfie00

You do realize Microsoft will not stop the security updates until after 2014, which is 6 more years or so.

That's my understanding, and it's a good point. With any luck, it might be even longer than that. They're to be commended for recently agreeing to provide extended support equivalently to consumer versions (Home) of XP as well as Pro, although since Home is essentially a crippled version of Pro I don't see that as really costing them anything. All but two of my systems are XP Pro, anyway.

However that only covers what Microsoft in their opinion considers critical security updates, and maintains the Knowledge Base on the product, that's all. It doesn't address important compatibility updates, like new products or features not working under XP any more, even if the reasons are artificially engineered. I'd feel a lot better about the whole thing, and just upgrade all my systems to the new OS and new hardware as needed (several of them are Vista Aero capable anyway) if Vista was not such a reeking pile of shit. That's the real kicker for me.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463150 Sat, 10 May 2008 21:21:16 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462959 sirghost : Wolfie00

You do realize Microsoft will not stop the security updates until after 2014, which is 6 more years or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462959 Sat, 10 May 2008 20:27:05 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462888 anon : No thanks, don't wanna get stuck with old and slow technology.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462888 Sat, 10 May 2008 20:07:33 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462661 Wolfie00 :

said by sirghost

:

It is real simple then, DON'T upgrade.

Not so simple. To begin with, from the OP: "Those customers who think they'll keep XP going on their own will probably be out of luck, too. With Microsoft abandoning security upgrades, hackers will eat holes in the old OS practically overnight." I'm not sure I believe it's quite that bad, but the writer does have a point.

Not to mention stuff that will simply stop working; even today, Office 2003 IIRC is the only version of Office other than 2007 that is even partially endorsed by Microsoft for Vista, and while there is a nice patch for compatibility with the 2007 docx format, that kind of support will cease. As Office moves on, no doubt it will no longer be able to run on XP, and it wouldn't surprise me if that limitation was deliberately engineered.

said by me2000

:

Vista is MORE stable and MORE secure.

I've been running XP since the Whistler betas, and currently have six computers on it -- not one has ever crashed because of XP stability issues. In fact, aside from a hardware problem I had on one of them, now resolved, XP has simply never crashed, period. I don't know how you get "more stable" than that!!

As for security, with appropriate safeguards and proper management -- which are always a prerequisite -- I have no security issues with XP either. And Vista itself is far from secure -- despite obnoxious and invasive baggage like the built-in DRM stuff:
»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09···_survey/

I don't really have any advice for Microsoft which has so totally bungled the Vista release, except to say that these are extraordinary circumstances and there would be a great deal of customer goodwill created if XP was supported for a good while yet. The release of SP3 was a good step in the right direction, although the refusal to release any meaningful functional upgrades like in SP2, lest it compete with Vista, was just blatantly obvious.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462661 Sat, 10 May 2008 18:51:46 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462532 ChiTang :

said by me2000

:

Vista is MORE stable and MORE secure.

Is it a faith or you have data/benchmark to support that statement?
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No it isn't. XP's longevity and user loyalty arise from the fact that it was a truly revolutionary change in the consumer OS space for those still suffering with Windows 9x. The value that it brought to the consumer desktop was stupendous; it's an incredibly stable, highly functional platform with awesome backward compatiblity as well. It's a friggin' miracle, is what it is!! Vista is the exact opposite -- with most of its intended features stripped away one by one in order to get something out the door, what Microsoft released was basically a buggy new UI with significant backward compatibility issues with apps and drivers. I know I'm oversimplifying -- so sue me! ;) But the point is, as I keep saying, there is no compelling reason to upgrade to Vista in terms of any fundamental functionality, security, or usability. I can understand how much folks love their XP and how reluctant they are to take on a vast set of "upgrade" headaches for no apparent reason, because I'm one of them.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462371 Sat, 10 May 2008 17:26:17 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462233 neonhomer :

said by PeteC2

:

***WARNING***WARNING***Mild sarcasm ahead***

Holy Moly! Breaking news! Microsoft, the Great Satan, is going to stop providing updates to MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, and (gulp!) even the recent hit, Windows 95!!! Theorists believe that MS is trying to wean users away from these massively popular OS's!

Does this mean I can't get that WGA update for Windows 1.0 anymore?

I know my company relies on XP, because it is a lot easier to use compared to Vista. (I let my boss use my laptop w/ Vista on it, and he swore he would never allow Vista in the company!) Oh well, I guess we just have to live with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462233 Sat, 10 May 2008 16:46:49 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462113 me2000 :

said by mrtomato

:

Do you want to save XP? sign the petition, so far over 180,000 have. If enough people protest, maybe microsoft will listen. To find the petition, search "save windows XP". Please get your friends to sign on. Its possible to save XP!

180,000 people out of the millions upon millions that use Windows?

That's like a speck of dust.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462113 Sat, 10 May 2008 16:13:53 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461956 dellsweig :

said by La Luna

:

Where's the petition to bring W98 back? I loved W98. Why doesn't MS still support W98?

XP will have run it's course by the time it's done. Time to move on folks.

La Luna - I just found a copy of W98 in my junk box - do you need it :D

Wait - I have 95 here too, and wait a minute - I have floppies (remember those) with QDOS on it of you really want - wait - computers dont come with floppies anymore - oh well - I guess we can send those to school with my kids for show and tell..

BTW: I really like Vista - runs great, stable, fast - and if I really need XP - I just pop open an XP VM.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461956 Sat, 10 May 2008 15:15:57 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461878 BinaryXtreme : Windows ME ftw! Wait, uhm. :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461878 Sat, 10 May 2008 14:56:11 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461716 ChiTang : I can careless about how people choose an OS. May be, the new OS is not mature, too different, previous OS is still good enough, can'r afford a new OS etc...

Users have their rights to render opinions in anything they like but to expect MS to continue to support is a bit of a stretch.

How about MS gives away their OS for free and charges for updates and hotfixes?
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said by La Luna

:

Where's the petition to bring W98 back? I loved W98. Why doesn't MS still support W98?

XP will have run it's course by the time it's done. Time to move on folks.

Agreed - even if moving on moves us past MS, and toward Linux etc. Because Vista is a hack....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461595 Sat, 10 May 2008 13:38:46 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461588 dave : Doesn't this miss the obvious answer as to why Microsoft would stop selling XP now that Vista's out?

"Because they always do that".

No Windows 2000 once XP (desktops) or 2003 (servers) was mainstream

No NT4 once Windows 2000 was mainstream.

No NT 3.51 once NT 4 was mainstream.

Etc.

And, naturally that's a business decision. Supporting two versions of the OS costs more than supporting one version of the OS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461588 Sat, 10 May 2008 13:35:39 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461572 Santa Fe :

said by La Luna

:

Where's the petition to bring W98 back? I loved W98. Why doesn't MS still support W98?

XP will have run it's course by the time it's done. Time to move on folks.

I've still got 3.1 around here somewhere, all 11 disks. ;)

Maybe next time I have to reinstall XP on my 3 GHz P4, I'll try installing it for fun! :D
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XP will have run it's course by the time it's done. Time to move on folks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461553 Sat, 10 May 2008 13:23:53 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461123 mrtomato : Do you want to save XP? sign the petition, so far over 180,000 have. If enough people protest, maybe microsoft will listen. To find the petition, search "save windows XP". Please get your friends to sign on. Its possible to save XP!
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said by Vistaluvr2 :

Yea yea yea yea, we all hear that often enough.

The bold is a lie - more like thousands.

Well, in a way there is a grain of truth there, but the time-line is out of order!

Vista hardly was the driving force behind Intel and AMD developing multi-core processors! As in all other technologically based businesses, he who gets a more advanced product out to market, generally becomes the survivor/winner. Same holds true for Nvidia, versus AT (AMD), versus Intel (in the integrated graphics battle).

The funny thing is, you never hear anyone complain that Intel/AMD are trying to "force" new CPUs on the public...after all, can you run out and buy a new Duron processor? (aside of off Ebay, etc.) How about any spiffy new P-II motherboards...any new drivers being developed for them?

Of course, everyone acts like "Well, that's silly, who wants to buy old technology?", and yet, that is not far off of what we see here.

I do understand, and agree, that an OS such as XP, should get a farily long period of support...but after all, it has already enjoyed quite a lifespan amongst OS's...

Of course MS wants to sell Vista, and naturally, there comes a point in time where continuing support for different generations of the same product become less cost-effective. I can see the pros and cons argument for how long support should, or should not be provided, but it is this "MS is up to no good" attitude that to me just seems silly and sophomoric.
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The bold is a lie - more like thousands.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461061 Sat, 10 May 2008 11:12:44 EDT Re: [XP Pro] Why XP is doomed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461005 Doctor Olds : Cringely is out of touch with reality and not too bright. I think of his writing as filler for poor old PBS who is stuck with the contract. :[
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Holy Moly! Breaking news! Microsoft, the Great Satan, is going to stop providing updates to MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, and (gulp!) even the recent hit, Windows 95!!! Theorists believe that MS is trying to wean users away from these massively popular OS's!

Uh...more that a little bit silly, eh? This is just chock full of classics "Microsoft makes
so much money that it tunes the numbers by throwing cash away" Yep, I thought that was Bill that I saw tossing bags 'o cash out of the trunk of his limo, off the bridge and into the river... :uhh:

Oh brother...

Look some day...maybe a little sooner, maybe a little later, sales, and support for XP will end. I hope not too soon, but after all, life...and technology, do move on...and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Anybody getting any driver updates for their Daisy-Wheel printers??? Must be a con-spear-acy then! Giddyap!
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------- Included Stuff Follows -------
I, Cringely . The Pulpit . Wimpy | PBS

...

Several readers are concerned about Microsoft's decision to stop
selling Windows XP and -- most importantly -- end security updates for
the venerable operating system. This has everything to do with
business and nothing at all to do with technology. Wearing my business
reporter's fedora, then, I'll point you back a week or so to
Microsoft's most recent earnings announcement, which disappointed Wall
Street. This is significant because it is hard to find a Wall Street
analyst who remembers the last time Microsoft's earnings were
disappointing. It simply doesn't happen. That's because Microsoft has
a myriad of tools for adjusting the numbers to look just right.

Because Microsoft has so many tools for fine-tuning its financials
(primarily the management of expenses, by the way -- Microsoft makes
so much money that it tunes the numbers by throwing cash away), the
fact that this last set of numbers disappointed suggests to me that
they, too, could have been avoided. Microsoft probably decided to
deliberately take an earnings hit precisely so they could play the "we
have to get the earnings up" card to justify the final death of XP.

Microsoft has been under huge pressure from its hardware OEMs to dump
XP, thus forcing millions of customers who have been avoiding Vista
and Vista's inevitable hardware upgrade to finally buy new computers.
Dumping XP will help Dell and HP AND Microsoft, big-time. It won't do
anything for you or me, though, since Vista still sucks, but we
obviously don't matter.

Those customers who think they'll keep XP going on their own will
probably be out of luck, too. With Microsoft abandoning security
upgrades, hackers will eat holes in the old OS practically overnight.
And if one or more of the security companies like Symantec or McAfee
think they can make a business out of defending XP, I simply doubt
that customers will pay.

--------- Included Stuff Ends ---------
Other topics also discussed in his column here:
»www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008···880.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20460938 Sat, 10 May 2008 10:27:31 EDT