Re: I figured as much.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20461882 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:27:24 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:27:24 EDT Re: I figured as much.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469695 ReVeLaTeD : I don't think the problem is with the law. I think it's with the application of said law.

By courts he means "civil" courts - which are inherently flawed, because it goes against the very spirit of the court system by assuming you're guilty and forcing you to prove why you're not. In the civil court, something like this automatically means you're liable, and it's not easy to prove you're not. That's the hook.

If this were to be applied as a criminal court case with financial repercussions, 7 of every 10 cases would be dismissed summarily, because the jury wouldn't allow such circular logic. There would have to be proof of a crime, not just circumstantial evidence of the intent of a crime without motive.

What the civil court says, using this law: If you (1) help someone else copy music, whether you knew you did it or not, (2) benefit from someone else's music copying whether you were aware or realized those benefits, (3) copied music whether or not you purchased it, or (4) used tools normally used for music sharing that pointed to your copied music library, regardless of whether said music was or was not legal, then you're automatically guilty.

Well hell, that logic basically paints 94% of the world as guilty, if you assume that Google Desktop or MSN Desktop Search fit under category 4 (since the searches can do web searches), that Windows Media Player fit under category 3, that borrowing a friend's computer and playing their music fit under category 2 (regardless of whether you knew their music was 'pirated'), or if the use of Tor fit under category 1 (if someone pirated through you as a relay).

Silly, isn't it? I'm sure I'm exaggerating, but that's the type of logic the civil laws allow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469695 Mon, 12 May 2008 12:41:42 EDT Re: I figured as much.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464244 KrK : This type of legal stupidity needs to be killed now.

I mean think about it.

Think firearms. You could EASILY argue that they benefit from violent crime... etc etc

It's all nonsense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464244 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:48:41 EDT Re: I figured as much.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461882 russotto :
said by KrK See Profile :

You can't be found guilty of copyright infringement if you never actually infringed anything anyways.
Unfortunately, this is not true. The courts have come up with the idea of contributory and vicarious infringement. Contributory meaning you helped someone else infringe, vicarious meaning you knowingly or through willfull ignorance benefited from someone else's infringment. Add to that the theory of induced infringement (basically like it sounds) which is not yet accepted by the courts, and you can see that you can be nailed for infringement without so much as one copyrighted bit coming under your control.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461882 Sat, 10 May 2008 14:58:01 EDT I figured as much.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461503 KrK : You can't be found guilty of copyright infringement if you never actually infringed anything anyways.

This was basically a one sided deal. Dead and gone, no money, no money for defense, therefore no defense presented in Court, so therefore the plaintiffs basically get a default judgement which is as worthless as the paper it's written on.
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