Bells throttle can bite me.. in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20462967 en Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:33:12 EDT Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:33:12 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471735 eots : The CRTC should be PO'd at Bell for tampering with a regulated service without authorization. But if they do side with Bell at least we have MLPPP, which will entice even more Sympatico customers to move to ISP's that support it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471735 Mon, 12 May 2008 19:00:56 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471598 Stewy :
said by eots See Profile :

Lets hope this all becomes moot after the CRTC decision if they agree with CAIP. I heard the CRTC would respond by the end of this week.
indeed, but again I'm just asking, has anyone ever thought that the CRTC might go Bell's way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471598 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:34:35 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471588 anon : Actually if Bell were to kill connections for customers that uses MLPPP, then they should be nailed by anti-trust. MLPPP is also a way to offer a new service to customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471588 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:33:31 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471582 eots : Lets hope this all becomes moot after the CRTC decision if they agree with CAIP. I heard the CRTC would respond by the end of this week.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471582 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:30:58 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471564 Stewy :
said by HiVolt See Profile :

said by Stewy See Profile :

The next step for bell is to simply kill your last mile until you agree to the terms of service and of course you'll have to pay to reconnect.
We're not Bell's customers. We don't have to agree any of their terms. Which is one of the reasons the DPI is so bogus.
Yea I know all that but I won't be surprise if Bell comes out with some excuse like "the present technology being used by your line is not supported by the last mile, therefore we have no choice but to terminate your connection".

You may not be Bell customers or won't agree to terms, actually they won't care and never will.

I'm just saying at this point in the game I wouldn't put it past them. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471564 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:28:33 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471382 eots : I'm not Bell's customer and as HiVolt pointed out this doesn't work with Sympatico logins. Since Teksavvy chooses to support MLPPP then we have a right to use it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471382 Mon, 12 May 2008 17:52:41 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471378 HiVolt :
said by Stewy See Profile :

The next step for bell is to simply kill your last mile until you agree to the terms of service and of course you'll have to pay to reconnect.
We're not Bell's customers. We don't have to agree any of their terms. Which is one of the reasons the DPI is so bogus.
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GOLF LEAFS GOLF!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471378 Mon, 12 May 2008 17:52:16 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471351 Stewy :
said by eots See Profile :

It works! :D

I hope Bell can't mess with this method to beat their throttle boxes. :o
The next step for bell is to simply kill your last mile until you agree to the terms of service and of course you'll have to pay to reconnect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471351 Mon, 12 May 2008 17:47:01 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471251 eots : It works! :D

I hope Bell can't mess with this method to beat their throttle boxes. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471251 Mon, 12 May 2008 17:30:05 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470370 tyip :
said by HiVolt See Profile :

It's not required, at least with TekSavvy. The single line MLPPP trick with either XP's connectoid or the WRT54G firmware hack works quite well for me.

The ISP has to support MLPPP though. I tried it with Bell and Primus logins, and it does not work.
Is that a simple switch of protocol from PPP to MLPPP with a single PPP connection over a single DSL line?
Or is that like having 2 PPP connections over the same DSL line??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470370 Mon, 12 May 2008 14:59:56 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469710 eots : Thanks HiVolt, I'll give it a try tonight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469710 Mon, 12 May 2008 12:43:45 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469601 anon : >but a lot of people are afraid to flash a router with non standard firmware,

If you don't want to take the risk for bricking a mere $50 router, then live with the throttling.

RASPPPoE works fine with a single windows PC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469601 Mon, 12 May 2008 12:18:22 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469589 HiVolt :
said by eots See Profile :

For many DSL customers the deterrent to MLPPP will be the cost for a 2nd DSL line. I'm not willing to pay over $70 every month just to get a few torrents faster.
It's not required, at least with TekSavvy. The single line MLPPP trick with either XP's connectoid or the WRT54G firmware hack works quite well for me.

The ISP has to support MLPPP though. I tried it with Bell and Primus logins, and it does not work.
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GOLF LEAFS GOLF!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469589 Mon, 12 May 2008 12:15:21 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469545 DSL_Ricer :
said by eots See Profile :

For many DSL customers the deterrent to MLPPP will be the cost for a 2nd DSL line. I'm not willing to pay over $70 every month just to get a few torrents faster.
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If that tat last part is your goal, the 2nd line is optional.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469545 Mon, 12 May 2008 12:05:02 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469424 eots : For many DSL customers the deterrent to MLPPP will be the cost for a 2nd DSL line. I'm not willing to pay over $70 every month just to get a few torrents faster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469424 Mon, 12 May 2008 11:39:43 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468715 anon : i'm not saying it isn't easy guspaz, but a lot of people are afraid to flash a router with non standard firmware, or non origional i should say.. Plus, with trying to fallow along with that other thread about it, i'm sure lots would just give up ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468715 Mon, 12 May 2008 08:56:33 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468419 tyip :
said by Jman99 See Profile :

Today it's bit torrent, so you move to usenet, then they choke that so you move to ftp. At some point the only thing left is what Bell sells/controls and it's too late to do anything.
Actually, it is already getting much more serious than just bit torrent.

All encrypted connections (e.g. VPN, SSL, SSH) are being throttled if they are not using "standard" ports.

Tests also suggest all protocols/ports that are unknown to Bell's DPI equipments are being throttle:
»Proof Bell throttles everything but known ports/protocols

This means if you develop a new application/network protocol, it will never take off unless you pay each ISP money to set rules for it in their DPI throttling equipments.
(ISPs wouldn't bother to add rules for applications that are not popular, but an application wouldn't get popular if it doesn't work properly because of the throttling)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468419 Mon, 12 May 2008 05:31:30 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468395 Jman99 : First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

This is why the only reaction we can have to Bell and Rogers trying to engineer the network is to stop it outright by making it illegal. Today it's bit torrent, so you move to usenet, then they choke that so you move to ftp. At some point the only thing left is what Bell sells/controls and it's too late to do anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468395 Mon, 12 May 2008 05:04:31 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468339 tyip :
said by Guspaz See Profile :

Depends on your definition of "the average user". If you can type your username/password into a router (as you do with any wireless router or similar device), you can do MLPPP with Tomato. For simple single-link setups, there is absolutely zero difference to the user from the regular Tomato firmware.
I thought you need at least 2 DSL connections on 2 seperated phone lines to do MLPPP. I guess I was wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468339 Mon, 12 May 2008 04:08:55 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468169 Guspaz :
said by anon485382 :

said by eots See Profile :

Unfortunately MLPPP isn't an option for the majority of DSL customers just to defeat the throttling.
No, The tomato firmware by DSL_Ricer and Guspaz is a little beyond the average user, however the MLPPP on XP is quite easy and anyone could set it up so i don't see why you don't think that's a good solution for almost everyone or at least a majority.
Depends on your definition of "the average user". If you can type your username/password into a router (as you do with any wireless router or similar device), you can do MLPPP with Tomato. For simple single-link setups, there is absolutely zero difference to the user from the regular Tomato firmware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468169 Mon, 12 May 2008 02:20:57 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468079 Sukunai : The last time he posted his methods, he got largely dumped on.

People commented all manner of things.

He hasn't any incentive to share.

I don't think it being perceived as smoke will ruin his day much though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468079 Mon, 12 May 2008 01:38:21 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468054 anon :
said by eots See Profile :

Unfortunately MLPPP isn't an option for the majority of DSL customers just to defeat the throttling.
No, The tomato firmware by DSL_Ricer and Guspaz is a little beyond the average user, however the MLPPP on XP is quite easy and anyone could set it up so i don't see why you don't think that's a good solution for almost everyone or at least a majority.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468054 Mon, 12 May 2008 01:27:19 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467874 eots : Unfortunately MLPPP isn't an option for the majority of DSL customers just to defeat the throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467874 Mon, 12 May 2008 00:12:46 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467798 andyb : I know about that but most don't know how to do it so....

Getting people to update with an auto installer is a bitch so if they had to do something by hand..well jesus the world stopped moving.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467798 Sun, 11 May 2008 23:42:17 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467757 HiVolt : It's probably either of these methods

»MLPPP on WRT54G/Tomato, progress report (with download)
»Any ideas how to Do MLPP ? with xp?
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GOLF LEAFS GOLF!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467757 Sun, 11 May 2008 23:33:25 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467734 andyb : Most blow smoke and just had a good day and think they did something when in reality the box came on late or whatever..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467734 Sun, 11 May 2008 23:29:07 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467660 eots : Already PM'd twice and no response! Makes you wonder if he really does have a solution or is just blowing smoke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467660 Sun, 11 May 2008 23:09:29 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467571 Candoo3 :
said by eots See Profile :

If you're not going to share your method then don't boast about your success! I'm still getting less than one tenth of my normal download speed during peak hours. :(
Instead of it being posted for *all* to see, maybe you could pm morisato.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467571 Sun, 11 May 2008 22:49:29 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467451 eots :
said by morisato See Profile :

Well i have found a much more robust way to bypass the throttle and bell can bite me i would share it with u all but half of u would complain, that i did ;) so suffice it to say i am now unthrottled.! with no port malarky
If you're not going to share your method then don't boast about your success! I'm still getting less than one tenth of my normal download speed during peak hours. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467451 Sun, 11 May 2008 22:21:38 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465309 Sukunai : Hehehehehe

Yeah I think the same with Lamewire err I meant Limewire.

The trick is I already know the file characteristics of what I might be getting.

Thus, if I know the file is 150 megs, I am sure not going to get the file claiming to be the file, if it's 50 megs or 200 megs etc.
I also know the particulars like, if it doesn't use a serial, then the bogus serial key generator won't interest me logically.

I usually only end up getting songs that barely have any visibility anywhere else though.
But getting a tune with only 1 source and being 12937 in line is the same as no file :)

I've likely gotten more buggy crap on the newsgroup than via a torrent or other means though. The trick is to use a good antivirus that will tell ya "hey boss, that file has crap in it eh". Might be a false positive, but I'd rather just get a fresh file than pretend I know more than my anti virus does.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465309 Sun, 11 May 2008 12:46:59 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465282 Jean_22 : I remember when I downloaded sTarCraft on emule and turned out to be Norton 2001 WITH a virus]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465282 Sun, 11 May 2008 12:38:42 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464994 morisato : i avoid emule like the plague because not only is it the slowest source in the world its also the MOST likely to come with a Bogus file that has a virus.. its like sifting thru used needles when u go to emule to find something..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464994 Sun, 11 May 2008 11:22:44 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464815 Sukunai : I usually go to eMule last. But yeah, you can find even the ultra obscure on eMule.

Just so long as you don't need it today, or sometimes this week :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464815 Sun, 11 May 2008 10:23:32 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463479 anon : Ever try emule? Yes its painfully long but it has some uber rare files, especially kick-ass remux vids. That is, if youre into HD material.

Usenet of course goes much faster, but Ive suspected Bell of throttling that as well, and if they don't now, they certainly will if they escape the coming injunction set before them.

/cynic off]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463479 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:55:31 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463382 HiVolt : Yeah Usenet is great and I have an account, but you can't find everything on usenet. The last week i had to painfully download some rare stuff on throttled torrents... took several days...
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GOLF LEAFS GOLF!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463382 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:30:43 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463331 mlerner : ditto. I love my unlimited giganews.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463331 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:18:28 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463326 HiVolt : Yeah I defeated the throttling also with the help of the WRT54G firmware modified by Guspaz & DSL_Ricer.

Its back to the way it used to be!
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GOLF LEAFS GOLF!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463326 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:17:15 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463289 Sukunai : Newsgroups is cool.

Newsgroups and torrents unthrottled is better :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463289 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:07:21 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463049 morisato : ya giganews is the shiz for me never throttled for me ;) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463049 Sat, 10 May 2008 20:50:49 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463038 TOPDAWG : hm a-ok. I I just got my newsgroups here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463038 Sat, 10 May 2008 20:47:32 EDT Re: Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462977 Sukunai : And if mori isn't enough meal, Bell can bite me too :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462977 Sat, 10 May 2008 20:30:33 EDT Bells throttle can bite me.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462967 morisato : Well i have found a much more robust way to bypass the throttle and bell can bite me i would share it with u all but half of u would complain, that i did ;) so suffice it to say i am now unthrottled.! with no port malarky]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462967 Sat, 10 May 2008 20:28:28 EDT