soitgoes2
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 ·Future Nine Corpor..
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Re: How does craigslist know I am using a VoIP service????
said by burris  :I shows as a fixed line.. Good to know!
What carrier does it show when you look up the NPA-NXX?
»www.localcallingguide.com/lca_prefix.php |
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burris
Premium
join:2000-08-22
Miami, FL
·VOIPo
 ·AT&T Southeast
·ViaTalk
| NPA-NXX shows the temp number as US LEC of Florida.
The fraud page shows only USA.
I just tried with my ported number. It only shows North Dade as location on fraud page.
In the NPA-NXX, my ported number shows where it came from originally before being ported to SR-VT and now VOIPo, as still belonging to BellSouth. |
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mazilo
From Mazilo
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join:2002-05-30
Lilburn, GA
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said by soitgoes2 :What VoIP service do you intend to use? Vonage and FutureNine (Verizon/Global Crossing DID) were the only numbers not coming up as VoIP for me. Not everyone has access to such numbers. If you have a good suggestion of providers whose numbers come up as fixed line, please let me know (or PM). I think what you tried to say is CL requires a PSTN and not VoIP number?
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soitgoes2
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join:2005-01-14
·Future Nine Corpor..
1 edit | said by mazilo :I think what you tried to say is CL requires a PSTN and not VoIP number? Nope. What I said is accurate.
Craigslist requires that your number be identified as "Fixed Line" or "Mobile" (not "Non-Fixed VoIP" or "Prepaid Mobile") by their provider, ReduceFraud.com, in order for you to be able to complete phone number verification and post in certain sections on CraigsList.
(As ReduceFraud.com says in their description of "Fixed Line" it may include some VoIP numbers, but they claim those are numbers for which the subscriber's identity has been verified.) |
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soitgoes2
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join:2005-01-14
·Future Nine Corpor..
| reply to voip confused
Even though I am not a heavy CraigsList user, I'm following this closely because of its potential to become an issue in a number of industries.
I am doubtful that this type of verification will do anything to reduce fraud or spam in the long run (the reliability is suspect, for one). Also, I know that ReduceFraud.com is being used by companies other than CL, and if that spreads, it could be harmful to those of us who no longer have traditional landlines unless we have a phone number that is deemed by this company as a good risk. It could become sort of like a credit report, except that you don't know who the reporting agency is (I had to do some digging to find repairfraud.com) and there's no way to dispute the info.
Fraud is a problem--as BruceN, Nitzan and others can confirm--but I wonder if this opens up new access issues as well.
If I were a company interested in implementing ReduceFraud.com's verification system, I would probably add an alternative verification process for those numbers that don't meet more stringent criteria. Otherwise, you're shutting out a huge market. |
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lowno
join:2008-05-11
| This creates serious access issues. How is someone that is def going to be able to post. The city I grew up in has a very large def community.
But more common is the adoption of VoIP. I use VoIP for my business and love it. I also setup IP PBX's. The way things are going, VoIP is going to be commonplace. It's really messed up if services exclude these users. |
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soitgoes2
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join:2005-01-14
·Future Nine Corpor..
| said by lowno :This creates serious access issues. How is someone that is def going to be able to post. The city I grew up in has a very large def community. They will provide the verification code as a text message (there is a choice between voice and text.) |
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nitzan
Premium,VIP
join:2008-02-27
·ViaTalk
 ·Comcast
| reply to soitgoes2
I just tested this against some of our DIDs, and just like you guessed the 567's come up as VoIP, everything from Verizon comes up as fixed.
Their statement that "Fixed" numbers cannot be obtained by people overseas is absolutely incorrect.
I was looking at the site from a provider perspective to see if it can help us reduce fraud at Future Nine. Unfortunately it is not reliable nor accurate enough. Maybe a nice afterthought to see if it matches everything else we check for - but that's about it.
Having a DID for verification purposes only does sound like something which might be necessary if a lot of businesses implement stuff like this. We'd be glad to do it (after we verified your identity, of course  but there is a caveat:
DIDs from Level 3 (VoiceStick and many others) are priced with a very low monthly fee, and per-minute fees. DIDs from Verizon have a higher monthly fee, but no per-minute fee.
What that means is that it doesn't matter if you use your DID or not - the cheapest I could offer it currently is $3 - and that is assuming it's on a "incoming only" type account (so we can avoid E911). What we could do however is set up some type of forwarding where we'll keep these DIDs on incoming-only accounts and forward them on to a PSTN # of your choice.
This applies if you're looking for a local DID to get verified with. We are currently working on an agreement with a California CLEC to get better termination and origination rates over there, and part of that will give us a very low monthly price on DIDs. We do have to pay for the channels we require, but if you're only going to use the DIDs for verifications, we could probably do it for something very low like $1/month.
That is, assuming their DIDs show up as "Fixed". We will have to test that.
We also have contacts in a NYC CLEC for the same thing. We didn't take them up on their offer because we didn't have enough NYC customers yet to justify the monthly commitment they would require, but I just checked and they do show as Fixed, and their pricing structure is the same (very low DID monthly fee + price per channel).
If/when we decide to take the plunge with both of these, it will also mean we'll be able to offer cheaper "unlimited" type DIDs for CA and NYC, and probably free porting too.
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Nitzan Kon, CEO
Future Nine Corporation |
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dot_null
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join:2004-06-28
Kennesaw, GA
·Callcentric
·Comcast
·VoiceStick
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to voip confused
This system is pitiful. I could tell you what it told me (mobile, fixed landline or non-fixed VoIP/wholesale CLEC) just by using telcodata.us and some other online databases.
I ported 2 numbers from Teliax to T-Mobile prepaid and it incorrectly IDs these numbers as non-fixed VoIP (at one point they were, but not anymore). Obviously, it doesn't check whether a VoIP number has been ported to cellular or vice-versa.
It didn't correctly identify my 5 prepaid lines as being prepaid; two were T-Mobile To Go Accounts, one was a Tracfone activated on VZW, one was a Virgin Mobile line (Sprint MVNO) and the last one was a SouthernLINC prepaid line.
All in all, this system doesn't appear to be very effective. |
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anon121
@sbcglobal.net
| reply to soitgoes2
soitgoes2: I don't think that option does what you think it does. That applies to your method of regurgitation the "audio only" code. If you choose text, CL takes you to a page to manually use text input for the code. A text message is not sent to you.
nitzan: I would love to get a few of these DID's from you if possible. |
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soitgoes2
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join:2005-01-14
·Future Nine Corpor..
| said by anon121 :
soitgoes2: I don't think that option does what you think it does. That applies to your method of regurgitation the "audio only" code. If you choose text, CL takes you to a page to manually use text input for the code. A text message is not sent to you. No, it really sends a text message if you select 'text'. If you select voice, it calls you. With either method, it takes you to a page to input the number in a text box.
(I tested this today.) |
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ejrobinson
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join:2003-05-16
Miami Beach, FL | My vonage comes up as fixed line number. Lingo number says non-fixed voip. Go figgur!
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | reply to Prayer
My Viatalk number comes up as FIXED, low risk.
But it also showed my city being Nevis or St. Kitts.  |
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Fisamo
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join:2004-02-20
Apex, NC
·VOIPo
·AT&T CallVantage
| reply to voip confused
Summary of my reported #'s:
•Voipo Beta # - FIXED
•Stanaphone # - Non-fixed VOIP
•AxVoice # - FIXED line
•CallVantage # (ported from BS) - FIXED
•CallVantage test # (no longer mine) - FIXED
•Verizon wireless # - Mobile
•FireFly Wireless # - Mobile (not prepaid, which it is; don't remember what ID info I gave when signing up, besides email address) |
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nycityny
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join:2005-08-09
New York, NY
·PHONE POWER
·VoicePulse
·RCN CABLE
·ViaTalk
| reply to voip confused
Interesting site. For me:
Verizon POTS number ported to VoicePulse - Fixed
Verizon POTS number ported to T-Mobile (not prepaid) - Fixed
SunRocket Virtual number ported to ViaTalk - Non-Fixed VOIP
I recently posted a residential real estate listing on Craigslist and specifically got a VoicePulse virtual number for that purpose. Craigslists does not verify numbers for that type of listing but if they did I would have been out of luck. I secured the virtual number because 1) it was a local number for the property being offered and 2) I wanted a disposable number so I did not incur phone calls after the property rented. |
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soitgoes2
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join:2005-01-14
·Future Nine Corpor..
| The data points we're collecting really does make it seem as though all they are doing is looking at the NPA-NXX-X original carrier assignment and not anything more advanced than that. Pretty silly, but, hey, it's cheap, easy data, and they can charge for it. |
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CyberSultan
Premium
join:2006-07-20 | reply to voip confused
Just tried my VT line. Showed up as a fixed line. |
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lowno
join:2008-05-11 | Which carrier is VT? ViaTalk? |
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CyberSultan
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join:2006-07-20 | said by lowno :Which carrier is VT? ViaTalk? Yes. |
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lowno
join:2008-05-11 | reply to voip confused
So, so far the only 2 providers with pay as you go plans are future-nine at $4 per month and voipo which is still in beta? |
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