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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>And it passed so easily because intellectual property is such a huge part of the US economy and an even bigger part of US exports.<br> </div>So our biggest export is master copies of movies to China for pirate duplication?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Tzale posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/388916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=388916');">AnonProxy</a>:</small><br><br>I ABSOLUTELY blame Bush on this one, and every other idiot politician that votes for it.<br> </div>Blame the whole Congress. It passed 410-11. This wasn't a BUSH bill.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1525447/" >www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/new&middot;&middot;&middot;1525447/</A><br><div class="bquote">H.R. 4279 puts resources toward aiding a <b>sector of the economy that employs an estimated 18 million workers - 13% of our labor force - and accounts for half of all US exports, driving 40% of the country's growth</b>.<br><br>As a result of less than effective enforcement, however, counterfeiting and piracy costs the United States economy between 200 and 250 billion dollars every year, and results in the loss of 750,000 American jobs. <br><br>H.R. 4279 will do four important things:<br><br>First, it will prioritize intellectual property protection to the highest level of our government by creating an office in the White House that will be responsible for coordinating the IP efforts of eight diverse agencies and producing a national Joint Strategic Plan for IP enforcement.<br><br>Second, it will elevate IP enforcement within the Justice Department and provide more resources for investigating and prosecuting IP crimes.<br><br>Third, it will make changes to both civil and criminal IP laws to enhance the ability of intellectual property owners to effectively protect their rights.<br><br>And, it will increase penalties for IP violations that endanger public health and safety. <br><br>H.R. 4279 is now supported by a number of key industries and associations, including the Consumer Electronics Association, the Digital Media Association, the Net Coalition, the Internet Commerce Coalition, the Coalition for Consumers' Pictures Rights, and the Printing Industries of America.<br><br>This is in addition to support we already had from the Teamsters, the Directors Guild of America, SEIU, AFTRA, Unite Here, AFM, OPEIU, the Coalition Against Counterfeiting and Piracy, the Motor Equipment Manufacturing Association, the Motion Picture Association of America, PHARMA, and NBC Universal. </div>And it passed so easily because intellectual property is such a huge part of the US economy and an even bigger part of US exports.<br> </div>Exactly...<br><br>And as I expected, Ron Paul was one of the 11 out of 421 to have voted <b>AGAINST</b> it.... <br><br>I don't understand how people can complain about this sort of thing on a massive scale, yet they continue to vote like trained chimpanzees to pull the lever for candidate X when in reality almost 100% of the time, all candidates stand for the same views!!! Republicans are no longer against big government and Democrats are no longer for the "small guy." Wise up people!<br><br>-Tzale<br><small>--<br>Neoconservatives (G.W.B) are not true conservatives. A conservative believes in defending the Constitution. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - RON PAUL & MURRAY SABRIN (NJ GOP FRONT RUNNER for SENATE) 2008<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:03:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Wolfie00 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>And it passed so easily because intellectual property is such a huge part of the US economy and an even bigger part of US exports.<br> </div>IP may be a big part of the economy, but the alleged impact of filesharing as claimed by the RIAA and MPAA is bogus.  It makes the assumption that every last bit of data out on the filesharing networks is a direct displacement of product revenue -- a CD or a DVD purchase, or a movie ticket.  This is just pure fantasy with no relationship to reality.  Most of their business problems such as they are arise from obsolete business models, technological advances, and changing demographics.<br><br>What I object to about the DMCA and this kind of nonsense is the continuing assault on personal information privacy in order to cater to corporate interests and their lobby groups.  The result has been the horror stories of parents being sued for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars because a ten-year-old downloaded a song, or an elderly widow who barely knows how to open a browser window somehow coming under the RIAA's crosshairs as an alleged big-time pirate.  Meanwhile, the music and movie industries continue to whine about lost profits because, oddly enough, none of these measures have the least bit of effect since they have little or nothing to do with the root cause.  And also meanwhile, other countries, like Canada, move in the opposite direction and, recognizing the threat that modern communications technology poses to privacy rights, have enacted strong personal privacy protection laws.<br><small>--<br>"Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things, man will not himself find peace" -- Dr. Albert Schweitzer<br>"A dog is like a child who never grows old ... always there to love and be loved"  -- Aaron Katcher<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1048555" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1048555');">BF69</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/388916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=388916');">AnonProxy</a>:</small><br><br>I ABSOLUTELY blame Bush on this one, and every other idiot politician that votes for it.<br> </div>Blame the whole Congress. It passed 410-11. This wasn't a BUSH bill.</div>This bill doesn't become law unless Bush sings it. So if he signs it IS his fault. Assuming this passes the Senate, Bush should use his veto power for something useful.<br> </div>A veto would be easily overridden when originally passed by such a huge majority.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 13:53:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[BF69 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/388916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=388916');">AnonProxy</a>:</small><br><br>I ABSOLUTELY blame Bush on this one, and every other idiot politician that votes for it.<br> </div>Blame the whole Congress. It passed 410-11. This wasn't a BUSH bill.</div>This bill doesn't become law unless Bush sings it. So if he signs it IS his fault. Assuming this passes the Senate, Bush should use his veto power for something useful.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jc100 posted : TK, <br><br>Enforcement for many countries is lackluster. China has seen some major crack downs as of late. However, once this hoopla for the Olympics ends, I see them going back to old ways.  As for Russia, well a few minor busts have happened. However, it's Russia. These won't go anywhere. As for the rest of the world, when you got an unstable or repressive government, I think they worry little about piracy. Their mainstay is staying in power. I highly doubt the Junta in former Burma, the Warlords in Africa, etc are too concerned about piracy.  These initiatives will go little if anywhere to stop it.  Too many countries in this world are unstable and rife with poverty. Wherever you have these two elements, piracy flourishes. You have A) Little Enforcement B) People with limited resources wanting to enjoy stuff (Music, movies, etc).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1547643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1547643');">HEDP</a>:</small><br><br>Is there a list of countries you can compile or are available on the net that have agreed to these trade agreements?<br> </div>Dig thru this web page for all the info you need on the WTO and intellectual property issues:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/TRIPS_e/TRIPS_e.htm" >www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/TRI&middot;&middot;&middot;PS_e.htm</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1547643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1547643');">HEDP</a>:</small><br><br>China, Russia and other countries are no different, which is why I am indirectly asking where would the court system obtain the money and resources to prosecute alleged criminals from foreign and domestic identities.<br> </div>The US gets their own countries to prosecute them thru the trade agreement process and the WTO international trade organization. While it is not easy to do that, other countries, because they have their own IP issues, are starting to prosecute copyright infringement. More and more countries are falling in to line with US wishes on this issue.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[HEDP posted : "stolen content outside bounds internally and externally"<br><br>I am well aware of that, when I said externally I was referring to other countries. I have visited foreign countries before and I see all the bootleg CDs for 10 pesos (2USD as of current pricing) available for sale on street corners.<br><br>China, Russia and other countries are no different, which is why I am indirectly asking where would the court system obtain the money and resources to prosecute alleged criminals from foreign and domestic identities.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jc100 posted : Mich,<br><br>Hate to burst your bubble but the U.S. isn't the top copyright violator. That honor falls to Russia, China, and some others.  Merely, this law will do little but fill the pockets of the RIAA at the expense of college kids and children whose parents get sued on their behalf.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[HEDP posted : I wonder where they will get the money to prosecute and bring to trail those who did get caught illegally file trading content.<br><br>Sure it protects American business from stolen content outside bounds internally and externally but this will just put more strain on the already overworked court system, or do they plan on having a special court for these type of cases? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jc100 posted : Ok I am modifying this. I checked EFF and this ONLY PASSED the  HOUSE. No similar legislation is in the Senate. Let's hope the Senate has more brains.  Don't let us down Harry Reid.  Really, please... The last thing this country needs to worry about when all is going to hell is copyright laws. Let's get some jobs infused into the economy and fix our dollar's value.  Also, lets spur the housing market. O wait, those are real issues. The House obviously has done such a wonderful job, they can focus on the mundane now... Grr, Stupid people in the House (Democrats and Republicans) need to have 20 public lashings each.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/388916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=388916');">AnonProxy</a>:</small><br><br>I ABSOLUTELY blame Bush on this one, and every other idiot politician that votes for it.<br> </div>Blame the whole Congress. It passed 410-11. This wasn't a BUSH bill.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1525447/" >www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/new&middot;&middot;&middot;1525447/</A><br><div class="bquote">H.R. 4279 puts resources toward aiding a <b>sector of the economy that employs an estimated 18 million workers - 13% of our labor force - and accounts for half of all US exports, driving 40% of the country's growth</b>.<br><br>As a result of less than effective enforcement, however, counterfeiting and piracy costs the United States economy between 200 and 250 billion dollars every year, and results in the loss of 750,000 American jobs. <br><br>H.R. 4279 will do four important things:<br><br>First, it will prioritize intellectual property protection to the highest level of our government by creating an office in the White House that will be responsible for coordinating the IP efforts of eight diverse agencies and producing a national Joint Strategic Plan for IP enforcement.<br><br>Second, it will elevate IP enforcement within the Justice Department and provide more resources for investigating and prosecuting IP crimes.<br><br>Third, it will make changes to both civil and criminal IP laws to enhance the ability of intellectual property owners to effectively protect their rights.<br><br>And, it will increase penalties for IP violations that endanger public health and safety. <br><br>H.R. 4279 is now supported by a number of key industries and associations, including the Consumer Electronics Association, the Digital Media Association, the Net Coalition, the Internet Commerce Coalition, the Coalition for Consumers' Pictures Rights, and the Printing Industries of America.<br><br>This is in addition to support we already had from the Teamsters, the Directors Guild of America, SEIU, AFTRA, Unite Here, AFM, OPEIU, the Coalition Against Counterfeiting and Piracy, the Motor Equipment Manufacturing Association, the Motion Picture Association of America, PHARMA, and NBC Universal. </div>And it passed so easily because intellectual property is such a huge part of the US economy and an even bigger part of US exports.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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