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I don't even have to look, I know Ron Paul voted no. He's the only one who cares about normal Americans, the rest of them are elitist assholes. Either way, it's not up to the government to enforce copyright, the RIAA/MPAA has to do that job.
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yock
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| said by texans20  :I don't even have to look, I know Ron Paul voted no. He's the only one who cares about normal Americans, the rest of them are elitist assholes. Either way, it's not up to the government to enforce copyright, the RIAA/MPAA has to do that job. Your confidence is confirmed in the voting record, just so you know. =) |
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Ron paul gives 2 shits about the U.S. as most other politicians. I hate to burst your bubble. His voting record falls within the Republican Party around 75 percent of the time. If that speaks for anything, that means he is no different than the idiot we got running things at this current junction. Then again, the Democrats in the House don't seem to be a shining prize either. We seriously need to find some HONEST people to run this country in favor of American's again. These days, we're the Corporate States of America at the behest of anyone standing in their way. |
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| said by jc100 :His voting record falls within the Republican Party around 75 percent of the time. That's an interesting statistic, but did you know that only one other member of Congress votes less frequently with their party, and that's Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland Republican (source: Washington Post)? Did you know that most of Paul's agreements with the Republican party appear to be votes for adjournment or "nay" votes to spending bills (source: Washington Post)?
Raw statistics mean nothing, you need context and the context you've meant to imply doesn't jive with reality. |
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| Raw statistics mean nothing, agreed. When put into the context of how the puppets running this country (Bush and Party) and others are doing, then it means a while lot. Spending is paramount but there is more to life than spending. Iraq? Quagmire. Social Security and Health care? Economic reform? Etc. So far, Bush and the Republicans fail miserably at this. Seriously, the only difference between Republicans and Democrats is basically this: One party (Democrats) gives you a little lube via Social Reforms while screwing you. IE, Democrats tend to give people a little for their money before pissing away the rest. However, they tax to pay for their pissing which creates a balance budget. Not much better, considering they spend as bad as the next guy. On the flip side, you got the Republicans who are Pro Business and love to make anti consumer laws. Spending on the Republican side ALWAYS comes in the form of adding TRILLIONS to the national deficit and devaluing the U.S. Dollar. Regan, Bush, Sr, and Bush Jr with his whopping 5-6 trillion addition. Not to mention, we seem to always end up in wars when these idiots take office. Last, religion and anti choice morality crap are their mainstay issues. So while I'd love to vote for Ron Paul, I don't see him side tracking from these areas of concern. More or less, I wish we had people who gave a damn about the U.S. Neither party really does. You're stuck voting for who you think will screw things up the least. Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance. Quite honestly, I liked Bill Richardson. He seemed like a Semi Honest guy. |
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| Lubed or not, I'm still getting violated. What you're talking about is federal bribery of the populace for allowing politicians to run amok, and what's worse is you seem to have chosen it as the lesser of two evils. Lesser or not, you've still chosen to be violated rather than fight against it. |
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| Ok, well who will fight against it? Certainly not Ron Paul. Prove to me he has differed on any of those issues par for par. Short of voting for a third party, we won't see change. Sad fact is, no third party has won in over a hundred years. It just won't happen as politics these days are about the millions you have to spend. It's not about who will best represent you. Hence, we're stuck in the rut of picking the least of the idiots. |
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| It depends on what issues you want. Considering your choice of Democrats over Republicans I'm going to guess that you favor social programs and government assistance over personal freedom and financial independence. If that is the case, then Ron Paul is quite your villain. If that's not the case, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate your political choices.
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| No I prefer Religious freedom, Marital Choice, abortion, etc all to stay legal. IE, the Moral Clauses that your so called freedom loving Republicans wish to remove from society. Hate to burst your bubble, but they are no less government than the next guy. They wish to dictate and run your lives the same as any other. Even worse, if they could run things in full, we'd be a bible state with laws based upon "Moral" clauses. As per the Social Programs, they aren't bad. Look at sweden. They have some of the longest lifespans in the world. They are a socialized country. Let you in on a secret, so are we. After all, who built your roads, paid for the schools you attend, funded the hospitals, police, first responders, etc? Tax Payers. Not just tax payers locally, but tax payers nationally. Federal dollars go to helping said entities. Roads are funded via federal interstate program. Police, First responders, receive federal grants and subsidies, etc. All of which constitute socialism. Money you pay in IS NOT staying at home. It's going into a big collective pot and being dished out nationally. Funny thing too, the states who pay the most (notably the north) end up getting the least in general for their dollar. The South usually gets 1+ Dollar for every dollar paid in. So I'd say my outlook is a bit different than yours. While I DON'T think the government should be a welfare state, I do believe in personal choice and getting SOME STUFF back for what I paid. IE... Health care should be a RIGHT and not an option. THat's about the only thing I think should be nationalized, with private insurance as a supplement. |
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said by texans20 :I don't even have to look, I know Ron Paul voted no. He's the only one who cares about normal Americans, the rest of them are elitist assholes. Either way, it's not up to the government to enforce copyright, the RIAA/MPAA has to do that job. Yup... Out of 421 votes, RON PAUL was one of the 11 who had the balls to stand up for what he believes in!
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said by jc100 : Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance. Quite honestly, I liked Bill Richardson. He seemed like a Semi Honest guy. Irrelevant, candidate with most fundraising money always wins the primary, and then the presidency. Watch the money, know the win.
»www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php
Candidate with most money spent will be most visible and most approved of by media, and therefore win. |
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| That's a given patcat. We've all known that since day one. Money talks, well usually. It didn't help Ross Perot win though and he was a billionaire. It takes lots of money, a name, and B.S. shoveled higher than the eiffel tower to clench a solid win. Have all these characteristics and you can consider yourself the next president. |
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Ignore the title screens on the video, I'm showing the Simpsons clip
»youtube.com/watch?v=DVW3-PQ0tFU&···=related
Its a 2 party system, your planet is doomed! |
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yock
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said by jc100 :...your so called freedom loving Republicans... I don't know where you got this, or why you're making it personal, but if you want to argue with people on the Internet, at least read and comprehend what they have to say.
Read what I wrote, not what you want to read. |
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| said by yock :said by jc100 :I'm going to guess that you favor social programs and government assistance over personal freedom and financial independence. If that is the case, then Ron Paul is quite your villain. I construed it from that line. He's no worse or no better than any other politician. As per freedom loving line, well sure, social programs are a bit of a welfare state in some respects but at least they have a common good. I'd rather everyone has health care with the option of private insurance to boost coverage, than being int he position we are today. At least we'd see a return on our money. Let's face it, ALL politicians are going to spend spend spend and tax. Republican or Democrat. Republicans spend by borrowing and making our money worth less by adding to the national debt. Therefore, prices go up as we see now. Democrats Tax and pay as they go. Either way, it's coming out of our pocket. I'd for once like to see SOME benefit from all this mismanagement. If it's so bad (aside from all the points I listed above about how we're socialized) th en why are countries like Sweden some of the top in the world? |
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| Ron Paul has been at odds with the Republican party over civil liberty issues for the last several years, the reasons for which have been hashed, rehashed, argued and reargued, and are available to anyone with access to Google. In matters of civil liberties, he opposes the Republicans on nearly every issue (except abortion, which isn't a topic I'm willing to discuss on Broadband Reports, period).
I'm not going to sit here and try to sell you on a man, Ron Paul isn't any more important than you or me, but the ideas he expouses make his position as an elected leader particularly useful, regardless of his political afiliation. If you can't separate him from the Republican base, then you aren't looking hard enough. |
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| At odds isn't voting with them 75 percent of the time. While I do agree our civil liberties are being tarnished, i would like solid proof of his vote against:
Patriot Act
Iraq War
Torture
His Support for:
Abortion (Yes its a right. You choose how to treat yourself when you are sick. Why should the government force you to have a kid you don't want).
Gay Marriage (Your life, your morals)
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| Patriot Act Voting Record: »www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_···id=V3108
There was no bill to specifically allow for the use of force in Iraq; however, Paul did authorize use of force Joint Resolution 64:
"To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States"
Which he, and many others, contend does not apply to Iraq.
As for torture, you're gonna have to be more specific on that one.
Ron Paul opposes abortion. That you equate pregnancy to being ill is ridiculous. If you're going to support abortion, at least have the balls to admit what you're doing.
Ron Paul also opposes federal mandates for or against same-sex marriage. He doesn't believe legislation is necessary to guarantee equal rights. |
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| So Let's see:
He backpeddles on a bill he voted for to authorize the use of force. He now tries to side step and say he didn't mean it to apply towards Iraq - FAIL
Torture and you know what I mean is the use of rendezvous practices which forcibly and harmfully extract information (True or otherwise) such as that used at Gitmo
Abortion IS A RIGHT. Did ANYONE ever tell you HOW you have to treat yourself when you are ill? What happens if a woman is raped and gets pregnant? What happens if said baby will be born at the expense of the mother's life? Yes, abortion can fall INTO medical terms. No one tells you what you HAVE to do!
Ron Paul OPPOSES federally mandating that of equal rights. Basically, he doesn't want everyone to be treated EQUALLY. So if your employer is homophobic, or someone wants to kill you cause you were gay, you'd not fall under the hate crime statue. Ah yes, that;s known as EPIC FAIL.
Ron Paul.... Failing you since 2008. |
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