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Re: Ron Paul No I prefer Religious freedom, Marital Choice, abortion, etc all to stay legal. IE, the Moral Clauses that your so called freedom loving Republicans wish to remove from society. Hate to burst your bubble, but they are no less government than the next guy. They wish to dictate and run your lives the same as any other. Even worse, if they could run things in full, we'd be a bible state with laws based upon "Moral" clauses. As per the Social Programs, they aren't bad. Look at sweden. They have some of the longest lifespans in the world. They are a socialized country. Let you in on a secret, so are we. After all, who built your roads, paid for the schools you attend, funded the hospitals, police, first responders, etc? Tax Payers. Not just tax payers locally, but tax payers nationally. Federal dollars go to helping said entities. Roads are funded via federal interstate program. Police, First responders, receive federal grants and subsidies, etc. All of which constitute socialism. Money you pay in IS NOT staying at home. It's going into a big collective pot and being dished out nationally. Funny thing too, the states who pay the most (notably the north) end up getting the least in general for their dollar. The South usually gets 1+ Dollar for every dollar paid in. So I'd say my outlook is a bit different than yours. While I DON'T think the government should be a welfare state, I do believe in personal choice and getting SOME STUFF back for what I paid. IE... Health care should be a RIGHT and not an option. THat's about the only thing I think should be nationalized, with private insurance as a supplement. | |
 yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | said by jc100:...your so called freedom loving Republicans... I don't know where you got this, or why you're making it personal, but if you want to argue with people on the Internet, at least read and comprehend what they have to say.
Read what I wrote, not what you want to read. | |
| said by yock:said by jc100:I'm going to guess that you favor social programs and government assistance over personal freedom and financial independence. If that is the case, then Ron Paul is quite your villain. I construed it from that line. He's no worse or no better than any other politician. As per freedom loving line, well sure, social programs are a bit of a welfare state in some respects but at least they have a common good. I'd rather everyone has health care with the option of private insurance to boost coverage, than being int he position we are today. At least we'd see a return on our money. Let's face it, ALL politicians are going to spend spend spend and tax. Republican or Democrat. Republicans spend by borrowing and making our money worth less by adding to the national debt. Therefore, prices go up as we see now. Democrats Tax and pay as they go. Either way, it's coming out of our pocket. I'd for once like to see SOME benefit from all this mismanagement. If it's so bad (aside from all the points I listed above about how we're socialized) th en why are countries like Sweden some of the top in the world? | |
yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Ron Paul has been at odds with the Republican party over civil liberty issues for the last several years, the reasons for which have been hashed, rehashed, argued and reargued, and are available to anyone with access to Google. In matters of civil liberties, he opposes the Republicans on nearly every issue (except abortion, which isn't a topic I'm willing to discuss on Broadband Reports, period).
I'm not going to sit here and try to sell you on a man, Ron Paul isn't any more important than you or me, but the ideas he expouses make his position as an elected leader particularly useful, regardless of his political afiliation. If you can't separate him from the Republican base, then you aren't looking hard enough. | |
| At odds isn't voting with them 75 percent of the time. While I do agree our civil liberties are being tarnished, i would like solid proof of his vote against:
Patriot Act
Iraq War
Torture
His Support for:
Abortion (Yes its a right. You choose how to treat yourself when you are sick. Why should the government force you to have a kid you don't want).
Gay Marriage (Your life, your morals)
Etc | |
yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Patriot Act Voting Record: »www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_···id=V3108
There was no bill to specifically allow for the use of force in Iraq; however, Paul did authorize use of force Joint Resolution 64:
"To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States"
Which he, and many others, contend does not apply to Iraq.
As for torture, you're gonna have to be more specific on that one.
Ron Paul opposes abortion. That you equate pregnancy to being ill is ridiculous. If you're going to support abortion, at least have the balls to admit what you're doing.
Ron Paul also opposes federal mandates for or against same-sex marriage. He doesn't believe legislation is necessary to guarantee equal rights. | | |
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| So Let's see:
He backpeddles on a bill he voted for to authorize the use of force. He now tries to side step and say he didn't mean it to apply towards Iraq - FAIL
Torture and you know what I mean is the use of rendezvous practices which forcibly and harmfully extract information (True or otherwise) such as that used at Gitmo
Abortion IS A RIGHT. Did ANYONE ever tell you HOW you have to treat yourself when you are ill? What happens if a woman is raped and gets pregnant? What happens if said baby will be born at the expense of the mother's life? Yes, abortion can fall INTO medical terms. No one tells you what you HAVE to do!
Ron Paul OPPOSES federally mandating that of equal rights. Basically, he doesn't want everyone to be treated EQUALLY. So if your employer is homophobic, or someone wants to kill you cause you were gay, you'd not fall under the hate crime statue. Ah yes, that;s known as EPIC FAIL.
Ron Paul.... Failing you since 2008. | |
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