Another form of protest to bells throttling in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20465542 en Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:02:26 EDT Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:02:26 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473551 Abattoir : LOL - the Earth hour bit is getting a little off topic. Let me just say that you should read up on that a bit. It was never actually a real concern. We are talking about < 10% of the used power, after all.
»www.earthhour.org/faq
I would have PMd you that, but you're posting anonymously. Can you even PM an anonymous poster?

Anyway, what Guspaz just posted is 100% correct.
a) It won't hurt Bell.
b) It will hurt Teksavvy and its customers.
c) it IS illegal.
said by hmmmmmaybe :

20 videos at once, what are you going to do? stop them? no one says they can't get together with 20 different connections and download videos if they want to organize that they can, and its not illegal, cause they aren't DDOS anyone system but using their bandwidth to their advantage.
Yes it is illegal. When you are intentionally attempting to cause damage or disrupt service, it is illegal and you are breaking your terms of service as well. It doesn't have to be a very good DDoS to be illegal. When you organize with other people to do this at the same time to increase the efficacy of your DDoS, this is called conspiracy.

Moving on now. Maybe its time for someone to lock the thread. Or maybe it's just time for me to stop responding. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473551 Tue, 13 May 2008 01:29:00 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471909 Guspaz : Regardless of if it's illegal, it's stupid. It doesn't hurt Bell, because there is a fixed pipe size from TekSavvy to Bell.

The only people who are hurt by such things are TekSavvy and their customers. As their customers, we don't look too kindly upon such suggestions.

Also, your conditions for if something is illegal is flawed; by your definition, DDoS attacks are perfectly legal, because everybody is just using the bandwidth they paid for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471909 Mon, 12 May 2008 19:30:02 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471768 anon : Earth hour was concern for many that it was going to disrupt power when the power was turn on at once, and surge it, that is why they kept a close eye on it, therefore it wasn't a relatively small amount as you say, if it was, it would of not been made into a concern,

Protesting to Downwload a lot is what some people pay for

Hence Unlimited, then putting a limit of 200gigs or 60gigs If a group of people want to download

20 videos at once, what are you going to do? stop them? no one says they can't get together with 20 different connections and download videos if they want to organize that they can, and its not illegal, cause they aren't DDOS anyone system but using their bandwidth to their advantage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471768 Mon, 12 May 2008 19:06:03 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470248 morisato : I actually had alot of things I wanted to download nanook :) prior to leaving and so i did. That way when i got to teksavvy i wouldn't need to download as much :) i lubs teksavvy :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470248 Mon, 12 May 2008 14:35:56 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469625 Abattoir :
said by hmmmmmaybe :

turning off the lights on earth hour and then back on almost at the same time , could of overloaded the servers or what not, but was that illegal?

overloading the server in protest isn't illegal,cause ur doing it to demonstrate

If your doing it to take bell down that would be illegal
1. No, Earth Hour wasn't going to overload anything, because it was a relatively small amount of power savings, and the power grid is designed to handle those kinds of surges. We have 2 every workday, at 9AM and 5PM.
2. "I'm protesting" isn't an excuse to do anything you like. Using that logic, instead of overloading a server, why not cut the power to a CO? Or steal a police cruiser and drive it into Bell's HQ?

You have the right to:
- demonstrate peacefully
- exercise free speech to denounce their actions
- lobby the government to make their actions illegal
- exercise your choices via the free market and punish them financially
I suggest you start there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469625 Mon, 12 May 2008 12:25:18 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469092 nanook :
said by morisato See Profile :

my last month with bell On My Unlimited login before i got to teksavvy i broke 1400 gigs downloaded.
I hope you do not intend to pull that stunt at TekSavvy. After they pay for your transit costs plus the standard $20.50 tribute to Emperor Bell, they will have lost money. If everyone did that, TekSavvy would soon be out of business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20469092 Mon, 12 May 2008 10:36:44 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468903 ShadPTR :
said by morisato See Profile :

yes no need to organize like that :) but i will admit in my last month with bell On My Unlimited login before i got to teksavvy i broke 1400 gigs downloaded.. where as every other month i barely broke 60
That doesn't really "hurt" them. In fact, it gives them ammo to justify all this crap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468903 Mon, 12 May 2008 09:55:30 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468898 ShadPTR : No kidding.. cancel all your Bell accounts instead, influence all your friends and colleagues to cancel their Bell services as well, instead of these silly "OMGZ lets use up the whole internetz" ideas.

Now, THAT is protest.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468898 Mon, 12 May 2008 09:53:58 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468216 morisato : yes no need to organize like that :) but i will admit in my last month with bell On My Unlimited login before i got to teksavvy i broke 1400 gigs downloaded.. where as every other month i barely broke 60]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468216 Mon, 12 May 2008 02:38:51 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468162 Guspaz : Look, people, TekSavvy has four gigabits of connectivity to Bell's network (five soon), and Bell's network is designed to supply that full four gigabits.

The only thing all these "protest" ideas would do is slow down service for all TekSavvy customers. So just drop it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468162 Mon, 12 May 2008 02:16:04 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468159 tyip : I don't think you can overload Bell's systems this way because they have plenty of bandwidth within their networks, which is one of the reasons why they shouldn't throttle.

Also, by downloading from a website that's not in TekSavvy's own network, you would drive up the bandwidth usage for TekSavvy as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468159 Mon, 12 May 2008 02:13:08 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468042 anon : turning off the lights on earth hour and then back on almost at the same time , could of overloaded the servers or what not, but was that illegal?

overloading the server in protest isn't illegal,cause ur doing it to demonstrate

If your doing it to take bell down that would be illegal]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20468042 Mon, 12 May 2008 01:20:41 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467687 Guspaz : Sigh. For the last time, YOU CANNOT OVERLOAD BELL'S NETWORK. It just doesn't work like that. PLEASE stop proposing illegal things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467687 Sun, 11 May 2008 23:15:20 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467530 Abattoir :
said by snarky69 See Profile :

Hello people
I am not a teksavvy user but I applaud and support all of your efforts to stop the throttling that bell has invoked on all of us.
If there are websites that has 24/7 streaming video and everyone on the network were to have their computers contiually accessing and using bandwidth for streaming, would that not overload bells system(as a form of silent protest)..... Just a question/suggestion
If it is not a plausible idea that please excuse my ignorance and naivete.
What you are proposing is no less than a conspiracy to attempt to overload Bell's network, and is illegal. It would be the same as trying to cause damage by picking up thousands of handsets or flushing thousands of toilets simultaneously. All would be guilty of conspiracy, and the ringleader would be punished or prosecuted.

Kindly leave these misguided, illegal calls to arms at the door.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467530 Sun, 11 May 2008 22:39:48 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466667 anon : If you really want to protest, you should get everyone you know that uses Bell services to move to competitors, with their cancelling reason being the internet throttles.

Otherwise, all the people affected could launch a negative publicity campaign about Bell. However, since their reputation is already at an all time low, how much weight would that have?

If the CRTC doesn't intervene, I will make at least three different families switch all their services from Bell to the cable. If Bell is bleeding customers for their internet and their other services due to this poor business decision, it might make them change their mind (although I doubt it, considering the poor quality of their management).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466667 Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:45 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466111 snarky69 : A dumb, dumb, dumb idea IMO

Quit beating around the bush and say what you really mean.....lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466111 Sun, 11 May 2008 16:26:16 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465738 nanook :
said by snarky69 See Profile :

If there are websites that has 24/7 streaming video and everyone on the network were to have their computers contiually accessing and using bandwidth for streaming, would that not overload bells system(as a form of silent protest).
To which Bell's response would be to throttle [u]all[/u] video streaming [u]24x7x365[/u]. And unlike their throttling of P2P traffic, in this case they would have both the justification and proof they require to get both the CRTC's and the general public's blessing.

A dumb, dumb, dumb idea IMO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465738 Sun, 11 May 2008 14:57:53 EDT Re: Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465719 anon : If you want to do it right, don't do it 24/7. Only during Bell's throttling hours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465719 Sun, 11 May 2008 14:50:43 EDT Another form of protest to bells throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465542 snarky69 : Hello people

I am not a teksavvy user but I applaud and support all of your efforts to stop the throttling that bell has invoked on all of us.
If there are websites that has 24/7 streaming video and everyone on the network were to have their computers contiually accessing and using bandwidth for streaming, would that not overload bells system(as a form of silent protest)..... Just a question/suggestion
If it is not a plausible idea that please excuse my ignorance and naivete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465542 Sun, 11 May 2008 14:00:07 EDT