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Re: Ron Paul said by yock:said by jc100:I'm going to guess that you favor social programs and government assistance over personal freedom and financial independence. If that is the case, then Ron Paul is quite your villain. I construed it from that line. He's no worse or no better than any other politician. As per freedom loving line, well sure, social programs are a bit of a welfare state in some respects but at least they have a common good. I'd rather everyone has health care with the option of private insurance to boost coverage, than being int he position we are today. At least we'd see a return on our money. Let's face it, ALL politicians are going to spend spend spend and tax. Republican or Democrat. Republicans spend by borrowing and making our money worth less by adding to the national debt. Therefore, prices go up as we see now. Democrats Tax and pay as they go. Either way, it's coming out of our pocket. I'd for once like to see SOME benefit from all this mismanagement. If it's so bad (aside from all the points I listed above about how we're socialized) th en why are countries like Sweden some of the top in the world? |
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 yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Ron Paul has been at odds with the Republican party over civil liberty issues for the last several years, the reasons for which have been hashed, rehashed, argued and reargued, and are available to anyone with access to Google. In matters of civil liberties, he opposes the Republicans on nearly every issue (except abortion, which isn't a topic I'm willing to discuss on Broadband Reports, period).
I'm not going to sit here and try to sell you on a man, Ron Paul isn't any more important than you or me, but the ideas he expouses make his position as an elected leader particularly useful, regardless of his political afiliation. If you can't separate him from the Republican base, then you aren't looking hard enough. |
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| At odds isn't voting with them 75 percent of the time. While I do agree our civil liberties are being tarnished, i would like solid proof of his vote against:
Patriot Act
Iraq War
Torture
His Support for:
Abortion (Yes its a right. You choose how to treat yourself when you are sick. Why should the government force you to have a kid you don't want).
Gay Marriage (Your life, your morals)
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yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Patriot Act Voting Record: »www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_···id=V3108
There was no bill to specifically allow for the use of force in Iraq; however, Paul did authorize use of force Joint Resolution 64:
"To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States"
Which he, and many others, contend does not apply to Iraq.
As for torture, you're gonna have to be more specific on that one.
Ron Paul opposes abortion. That you equate pregnancy to being ill is ridiculous. If you're going to support abortion, at least have the balls to admit what you're doing.
Ron Paul also opposes federal mandates for or against same-sex marriage. He doesn't believe legislation is necessary to guarantee equal rights. |
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| So Let's see:
He backpeddles on a bill he voted for to authorize the use of force. He now tries to side step and say he didn't mean it to apply towards Iraq - FAIL
Torture and you know what I mean is the use of rendezvous practices which forcibly and harmfully extract information (True or otherwise) such as that used at Gitmo
Abortion IS A RIGHT. Did ANYONE ever tell you HOW you have to treat yourself when you are ill? What happens if a woman is raped and gets pregnant? What happens if said baby will be born at the expense of the mother's life? Yes, abortion can fall INTO medical terms. No one tells you what you HAVE to do!
Ron Paul OPPOSES federally mandating that of equal rights. Basically, he doesn't want everyone to be treated EQUALLY. So if your employer is homophobic, or someone wants to kill you cause you were gay, you'd not fall under the hate crime statue. Ah yes, that;s known as EPIC FAIL.
Ron Paul.... Failing you since 2008. |
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