Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER in Security

Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20470003 en Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:08:37 EDT Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:08:37 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20508410 AB :

said by Bubba1

said by AB

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Do I really need to tell you all how to 'hide' it?

. . See, going there manually, with forethought, intent and purpose, each and every time .. SP3 is there, waiting to crawl all up in your nose, like a damn pic-nic fly. It cannot be hidden, as other offerings in the past could be.

See?

Yes, I believe I do see.
My mistake. I didn't realize it can't be hidden at all at the MS Update site.
Apparently they feel that this is a very, very, very important update!
Almost as important as WGA, no doubt.

said by dave

said by AB

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Why would any computer-literate home user, any person who regularly visits this or any other technically-oriented website, ever have the auto update service running to begin with?

Uh, because I think I'd like to hear about security updates in a timely manner, and 'automatically download but do not install' saves me time later?

(This was a rhetorical answer)

(Rhetorical response)--
Second Tuesday of every month, Dave. Mark your calendar. ;)

Your point is valid enough as well, however.

You win. My bad.

I'm rhetorically questioning my own previous post now . . . . ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20508410 Mon, 19 May 2008 19:38:41 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20507458 dave :

said by AB

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Why would any computer-literate home user, any person who regularly visits this or any other technically-oriented website, ever have the auto update service running to begin with?

Uh, because I think I'd like to hear about security updates in a timely manner, and 'automatically download but do not install' saves me time later?

(This was a rhetorical answer)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20507458 Mon, 19 May 2008 16:44:01 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20507311 Bubba1 :

said by AB

:

Do I really need to tell you all how to 'hide' it?

A rhetorical question I've asked before--
Why would any computer-literate home user, any person who regularly visits this or any other technically-oriented website, ever have the auto update service running to begin with?

Heck, initially, you got me all excited. I thought you WERE going to tell me how to 'hide' it.

No, I've "almost" never allowed auto-update free reign. And, if I had, I'd already be enjoying this fabulous update that everyone else, apparently, rushed forward with eyes bugged out, veins in neck popping, fevered sweat on brow, like one-eyed dogs in a meat house couldn't wait to get.

Like someone screamed, "STAMPEDE!!" ..

Or, the farmer hollered, "SEWIE!!" ..

See, going there manually, with forethought, intent and purpose, each and every time .. SP3 is there, waiting to crawl all up in your nose, like a damn pic-nic fly. It cannot be hidden, as other offerings in the past could be.

See?
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said by Bubba1

said by starfish8

:Does anybody know how to hide SP3? I didn't see a way to do it.

ASAP, I'll too investigate it's not being all up in my face when visiting MSU.

Well, it comes as zero surprise that .. no, one cannot hide the damn thing.

Do I really need to tell you all how to 'hide' it?

A rhetorical question I've asked before--
Why would any computer-literate home user, any person who regularly visits this or any other technically-oriented website, ever have the auto update service running to begin with?

If you want to allow it to run, fine-- that's your business. But any complaints about how it goes about its business should be kept to a minimum.

I'm not intending to rant or scold, merely pointing out a fact.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20506203 Mon, 19 May 2008 12:48:09 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20504817 Bubba1 :

said by Bubba1

said by starfish8

:Does anybody know how to hide SP3? I didn't see a way to do it.

ASAP, I'll too investigate it's not being all up in my face when visiting MSU.

Well, it comes as zero surprise that .. no, one cannot hide the damn thing.

Although, they've altered the menu a tad now since my initial visits .. making it one click easier to push past it for checking the presence of other updates, should one want to do that.
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Thanks for that test result. It looks interesting as Vista is faster than XP (especially in apps loading) on almost everything on 2GB system. Comparable (as in XP is faster in some while Vista is faster in others) on 1GB system and SLOW on 512MB system - who wants to run a 512MB system nowadays? Certainly not me! The days of 512MB usage are over - long gone from 5+ years ago. It's not fair to include the 512MB results in the average as it brings it down. They need to run some test on 4GB system. Having said all that, how much faster? Not so much to make a big deal.

said by VistaSP1XPVistaHomeResp0208.pdf :

KEY FINDINGS

•Overall, Windows Vista SP1 and Windows XP performed comparably on most test operations. Differences were typically less than a half second and thus insignificant.

•Windows Vista SP1 was noticeably more responsive after rebooting than Windows XP on several common home operations.

•Overall, Windows Vista SP1 and Windows Vista performed comparably on most test operations, with differences typically less than a half second and thus insignificant. When Windows Vista SP1 was slower, the slowdown was always insignificant (less than a quarter of a second).

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20491726 Fri, 16 May 2008 08:38:45 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20490929 anon : Thanks Indy! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20490929 Fri, 16 May 2008 00:46:17 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20490437 Name Game :

said by unsub

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Good god.
Really people? Really? You buy this? SP3? The service pack that adds absolutely NO features that would have ANY effect on performance?

I understand that not everyone here understands the inner workings of an OS, but seriously. 5 minutes worth of reading would have cleared this up.

SP3 does not give a performance boost. It's just an update rollup that contains a few enterprise level features that 99.999 percent of you will never use.

Most claim ..

That doesn't mean SP3 is without merit, though; its improvements are useful. Besides scores of security improvements, bug fixes, and other stuff that's already been released through Windows Update in the past two and a half years or so, it also includes:

"Black hole" router detection helps your PC detect and avoid routers that drop packets. This feature is part of Vista, but is only now being introduced to XP.

Network Access Protection (NAP) allows you to create a customized "health" policy to scope out another computer's condition before your PC is allowed to communicate with it; you can even drop computers lacking compliance into a restricted network until they become compliant.

Keyless installation allows you to install a copy of Windows XP without immediately entering a product key; you can punch in the key later. This is another feature of Windows Vista that XP users covet.

A more descriptive security options user interface actually makes attempts to explain security settings things in plain language.

A more advanced cryptographic module bumps Windows XP's compliance of the Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) from the 140-1 standard to FIPS 140-2, and the modules are fully certified; more detailed information is available at TechNet.
»www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2···6,00.asp
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said by Blackbird

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I'm with Mele20

on this one:

"But what does whether or not SP3 makes XP "faster" have to do with security? Doesn't this belong in Microsoft Help forum?"

faster to get infected when you can't close the door fast enough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20490382 Thu, 15 May 2008 22:49:35 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20490267 Name Game :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

Sure no problems....it's still slow =(

Is this the forum where registered members are supposed to trust/believe other members?

No..it is the forum where xpsp3 is faster than Vista on the same machine with the same specs..you have what version of XP ? and when you say slow(er)...slow doing what ? ;)
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Windows XP is faster than the new Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) in completing common consumer and business tasks on PCs coming out of sleep mode, but the differences are slight.

The performance tests, conducted by Principled Technologies Inc. on Microsoft's behalf, showed that the older XP operating system remained faster than Vista SP1 in 61% of the operations grouped in a consumer test suite, and faster than Vista SP1 in 46% of the operations in the business-oriented head-to-head.

The results were from time trials held on identical PCs after they'd come out of standby, a power-saving feature in Windows. Vista, like other operating systems, including Apple Inc.'s Mac OS X, calls the same mode "sleep."

However, when the same tests were run after a cold boot -- with the PC's power turned on, the OS booted and the scripts run after two minutes -- Vista SP1 came out on top in 74% of the tested consumer functions, and 66% of the business operations.

»www.pcworld.com/article/id,14295···cle.html

»www.principledtechnologies.com/T···ware.htm

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20490267 Thu, 15 May 2008 22:29:11 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20490055 Indy Sabre : Iso version for burning a CD - »www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta···ylang=en

Standalone exe - »www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta···ylang=en]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20490055 Thu, 15 May 2008 21:51:44 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20489096 waldoooo : just installed it here on my machine that is just about due for a reformat and the boot time is noticeably longer. I wish I timed the before and after to give better details.

Don't notice a change in programs speeds either way(10% would be pretty hard to notice anyway) and my PF usage has gone up about 15%]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20489096 Thu, 15 May 2008 18:36:31 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488917 anon : Anyone know where I can download the "official" SP3 install pack so I can burn on a CD and then apply updates to my XP machines?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488917 Thu, 15 May 2008 18:07:32 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488358 anon : Sure no problems....it's still slow =(

Is this the forum where registered members are supposed to trust/believe other members?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488358 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:36:47 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488119 DrStrange :

said by sycamore

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Will SP3 be included in an automatic update, or do you have to go intentionally and get it?
thanks.

I've seen it in Windows Update on this machine. I used the CD [burned from the ISO] instead. I don't see much of any difference on my P4 3.0GHz Prescott, but my old Dell Dimension 4100 [P3-733] is booting a lot faster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20488119 Thu, 15 May 2008 15:50:22 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20487642 GadgetsRme :

said by AB

said by Gts

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. . the 'feel' seems to be faster.

AB, I've been thinking that this thread was reminding me of a contest involving magnifying glasses, tweezers, and very short tape measures. Now, in light of your post quoted here in, I do declare you to be The Man. Be careful with all that torque. :D
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said by Gts

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. . the 'feel' seems to be faster.

I've just updated my msjet40.dll: »www.microsoft.com/technet/securi···028.mspx

I now have further enhanced jet turbo-thrusting that produces just under 600 foot-lbs. bytical pressure of nano-sequential RAM-torque per cubic thermo-reaction, as opposed to the 572.8 foot-lbs. per I was previously getting.

Plus, my machine just seems faster.

Color me happy. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20487465 Thu, 15 May 2008 13:51:52 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20486808 sycamore : Will SP3 be included in an automatic update, or do you have to go intentionally and get it?
thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20486808 Thu, 15 May 2008 11:48:23 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20486703 Name Game : Thanks Vistaluvr2..trust your info..if any of that changes as you continue to observe the system..let us know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20486703 Thu, 15 May 2008 11:28:35 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485848 anon : I just built a PC for my girlfriend's aunt. Exact same spec as my main machine - x2 6400+, 4GB and RAID 0 configuration. She has better faster 500GB WD drives while I have lowly 160GB seagate drives.

After second nvidia driver slipstreamed attempt (first one failed because I tried the latest from nvidia - 007B error) the one from Asus worked fine. With Vista, I just click install it on that parition =p so easy~.

XP SP3 seems pretty slow compared to Vista........ It ain't faster than Vista for sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485848 Thu, 15 May 2008 08:31:20 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485456 anon :

said by dave

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. . Saying "two times slower" is just bad writing. "Half as fast" would have expressed the idea in an intelligible manner.

You seem to be saying then, that the idea of SP3 adding a big boost to the system via personally sensed and qualitatively non-specific Fibonaccian-enhanced electro-neural data can be more simply described as "half-fast"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485456 Thu, 15 May 2008 04:06:29 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485276 Bubba1 : And, as for a SP3 speed increase .. (from the link supplied by antdude) as one blogger there observed, in part:

"Here is my prophecy. XP will be broken and you will be MADE to use Vista. That's a promise. Enjoy your temporary speed bump. When you see the blue screen after the latest patch in 2008 remember the idiot spouting off(me) on that blog site."

I too have believed that the forces of darkness will, sooner or later, I'm certain, attempt forcing all the little children to Vista LONG BEFORE any "natural" XP demise from age/neglect/non-support.

I'm there .. I've thrown up my tent, built a fire and am cooking beans. Camped. Vigilant. Watchful. Alert. I embrace the danger deep into my heart. I will not use Vista. All "updates" offered are highly suspect and must be carefully considered/investigated to whatever extent possible. SP3?? Certainly, for now .. nah.

The ONLY thing I'll remove my, chin strapped, pointy-top tin-foil hat for is to dish-up some beans into it!!

And, I've got extra space around the fire and plenty of beans to share. Get your own hat/bowl.
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said by starfish8

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Does anybody know how to hide SP3? I didn't see a way to do it.

Well, that's not good. I assume you're aware of how to/or have hidden other offerings prior. I'd be unsurprised if it cannot be hidden. MS is too damned 'extra determined' it will be accepted to suit me .. nah, nah and nah (Aflac goat).

When I went to MSU, to gaze upon the beast, I just pushed past it to see if anything else was being offered and didn't investigate hiding it. I had IE7 hidden for many months prior to accepting it.

ASAP, I'll too investigate it's not being all up in my face when visiting MSU.
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said by jaykaykay

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You can hide it. I don't recall how without being on the page, but it can easily be done.

Does anybody know how to hide SP3? I didn't see a way to do it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20484628 Wed, 14 May 2008 23:09:34 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20484512 Bubba1 :

said by starfish8

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What's the best way to block XP SP3 from appearing in Microsoft Update?

Exactly.

Presently, I've decided to mush forward sans SP3.

May the force be with me.
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said by NefCanuck

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aside from killing my 'net connection after the reboot (requiring a full powercycle of my combo DSL modem / wireless router) no problems / issues here.

NefCanuck

Interesting as I noticed that after the installation (using windows update) I am losing internet connection easily. It seems that I can go online for a period of a few minutes and then the connection drops out. As I am on a network I can check that the other pc do not have the same issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20483255 Wed, 14 May 2008 19:07:35 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480631 NefCanuck : Installed SP3 using the ISO CD last night, aside from killing my 'net connection after the reboot (requiring a full powercycle of my combo DSL modem / wireless router) no problems / issues here.

NefCanuck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480631 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:10:32 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480267 DataDoc :

said by La Luna

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I feel like I'm reading a thread filled with men arguing over whose car is faster off the line by .005 seconds. :hmm:

:p

But your statement is clear, whereas "twice as slow" is wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480267 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:56:34 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480092 Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Indy Sabre

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Does anyone know if it installs WGA?

It doesn't appear to. When I installed SP3 from the standalone executable then visited Windows Update, it wanted to install WGA.
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said by Indy Sabre

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Does anyone know if it installs WGA?

I don't know and that is one reason I have not installed it. I don't have WGA on this computer and have gone to considerable length to avoid it so I don't want SP3 installing it. I am not referring to the Notifier but the regular WGA which you get if you use WU which I have not used since WU ate all my history back in 2004 when I moved from WU ver 4 to ver 5.

I do know that SP3 kills EvID4226Patch223d. You have to reapply it after you install SP3.
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Took about an hour to install form the ISO CD, I downloaded made last week. I was kind of surprised that it took so long to install.

It also disabled the Vista theme I had been running...may have to run UXTheme Multi-Patcher 5.5 again.

Does anyone know if it installs WGA?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478583 Tue, 13 May 2008 22:42:12 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478555 ltsnow : I slipstreamed SP3 and I have had great results. It does seem faster, but that maybe wishful thinking. However, it is absolutely rock solid. Not one problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478555 Tue, 13 May 2008 22:38:48 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478158 PeteC2 :

said by La Luna

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I feel like I'm reading a thread filled with men arguing over whose car is faster off the line by .005 seconds. :hmm:

:p

....annnnd we have a Winner! :)

I've been reading this thread in absolute morbid curiosity...

I do suspect that as with every other OS adjustment "Your mileage may vary" for all the usual reasons: Installing SP3 may indeed install some of the updates that others may have missed/passed by, some folks may install SP3 and it may replace some corrupted files, and for some, SP3 just may work a bit better...or worse (see AMD issue!) with given hardware/software applications!

But, at the end of the day...it is at best an almost meaningless differential, hardly worth all the hoopla.

I am not denigrating those who say that "It seems faster..." in some cases it is wishful thinking and then again in some cases probably true, either way, folks don't have to validate their impressions.

If your system ran well with XP SP2, it will run well with SP3, and conversely, if XP SP2 doesn't do well, don't expect SP3 to be a miracle-cure. It really is just a modest update, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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said by ultracooldave :

The full retail SP3 ISO is 621Meg., so if the download is 65 M you are obviously not getting the real deal.

The full retail SP3 ISO may be 621Meg (according to you) that's only because it contains all the updates Microsoft has put out over the years the update one gets fom the MSU site is only 66.9MB which is only SP3 with a few things that were added. Once you install the SP3 update from MSU it takes all the SP3 updates you have installed over the years and rolls them all into one, so i don't know where you are getting your info about not getting the real deal. If you look at the attachment i uploaded you will see that all my SP3 updates have been rolled up into one. :uhh:
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20478033 Tue, 13 May 2008 21:06:39 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477822 jadinolf :

said by astirusty

said by Name Game

:

They added that XP SP3's slick performance may lead some computer users to forgo Windows Vista. Exo.performance.network found that with the new service pack, XP is now two times faster than the newer Microsoft OS.

If true, any bets on how long it will take to resolve this??? :o :p ;)

:D
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said by ultracooldave :

The full retail SP3 ISO is 621Meg., so if the download is 65 M you are obviously not getting the real deal.

LOL, how can i not be getting the 'real deal' when im getting it from the Microsoft's own Windows Update?!
You dont know what you are talking about.
It looks very real to me!
His laptop already had SP2 installed, maybe thats why the SP3 download is smaller.
I suggest you try to connect a pc which has SP2 installed to manually update vis the Windows Update site, and choose 'Express updates'.
You will get your answer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477720 Tue, 13 May 2008 20:13:48 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477582 anon :

said by SUMware

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ExtremeTech's got: Gaming Performance: Windows Vista SP1 vs. XP SP3 which also shows results for XP SP2.

Thanks for posting that... VISTA KICK ASS!!!!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477582 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:46:58 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477514 La Luna :

said by astirusty

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....From now on I am just going to stick to adding to confusion. ;)

Nothing wrong with that, you do it so well. :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477514 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:35:11 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477512 La Luna : I feel like I'm reading a thread filled with men arguing over whose car is faster off the line by .005 seconds. :hmm:

:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477512 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:34:16 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477496 astirusty :

said by Blackbird

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Instead of saying "a" is twice as slow as "b", ...

said by dave

:

If X does 30 miles per hour and Y does 90 miles an hour, ...

Okay, Thanks. I get it he's talking semantics. Given his opening wording, I thought he was looking for an explanation between the difference of the two quotes. Teaches me to try to help clarify something. From now on I am just going to stick to adding to confusion. ;)
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Do yourself a favor, just say no to anything Windows.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477496 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:30:49 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477185 dave : You're missing the fact that "twice as fast" and "two times faster" should not mean the same thing.

If X does 30 miles per hour and Y does 90 miles an hour, Y is (a) three times as fast as X, and (b) two times faster than X.

Saying "two times slower" is just bad writing. "Half as fast" would have expressed the idea in an intelligible manner.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477185 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:27:02 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20477174 Blackbird :

said by astirusty

said by TomS

:

I believe that if A is 1x slower than B, then A has no measurable speed. A would then be standing still or not running. ;) Maybe "2x slower" would mean a negative speed, but would that imply running in reverse?

I think the problem he's pointing at is that the terminology of something being "n times slower" leaves a lot to be desired in the clarity department for some folks. Instead of saying "a" is twice as slow as "b", it may be less confusing to readers to state the same thing as "a is half as fast as b".

Speed is a measureable quantity in and of itself. Slowness is a comparitive quantity in terms of something else's stated speed... so being twice as slow leads to some confusion as to what is meant. Those who sort it all out, though, usually do come up with the conclusion you've drawn.
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said by TomS

How are you coming up with the idea that A has no measurable speed; because it is taking twice as long to complete benchmarks/testing/work that B does?

Say it takes OS NoName Rev "B" two hours to run a given application.
If OS NoName Rev "A" is '2x slower' then that would imply that OS NoName Rev "A" would take four hours to run the same application.

Maybe I am just missing some humor here?
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Paul McDougall said: "Exo.performance.network found that with the new service pack, XP is now two times faster than the newer Microsoft OS."

exo.blog ACTUALLY said: "Of course, none of this bodes well for Vista, which is now more than 2x slower than the most current builds of its older sibling."
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My comments:

1.Reading that A is "...2x slower than..." B,tends to make me disregard anything else that has been stated.
I believe that if A is 1x slower than B, then A has no measurable speed. A would then be standing still or not running. ;) Maybe "2x slower" would mean a negative speed, but would that imply running in reverse?

2.exo.blog's "Figure 1 - OfficeBench Completion Times" shows XP(SP3)at 35 seconds and Vista(SP1) at 84 seconds.
I think this MIGHT be stated as, "XP(SP3) ran more than 2x AS FAST [ Not "...two times faster than..."] as Vista(SP1) ran.

3. If McDougall had been attempting to interpret the OfficeBench graph, he might have said: "..., XP is now TWO TIMES AS FAST AS the newer Microsoft OS."

BTW, can anyone tell me how to get rid of that hideous green I somehow surrounded myself in ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476639 Tue, 13 May 2008 16:43:04 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476539 n1zuk :

said by Babar

:

Not sure about SP3, but I do know my car runs much better after a good hand wash. :p

Not surprising. A lower coefficient of friction...
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said by Steve

:

I'm basing this on...

Okay, thanks for the reply.
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said by astirusty

:

Are you basing this on the testing of several clean machines, first running XP SP2 then XP SP3?

I'm basing this on my common sense - I have not used SP3 yet. I've had problems with Windows that have been resolved by re-applying a service pack, and I've been left to assume that it repaired something that had gotten dorked.

I have zero specific evidence.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476332 Tue, 13 May 2008 15:43:18 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476307 Babar : Not sure about SP3, but I do know my car runs much better after a good hand wash. :p
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said by dave

:

They sneakily implemented performance improvements in SP3 without telling anyone they'd done so. Thousands of unsuspecting customers installed SP3 and were stuck with faster applications as a result.

Yeah, how dare they do that! :o
Somebody get a rope! :p
Where's the torches? ;)
:D

On a more serious note:
It would be nice to know if the better performance that some people are reporting is tied to more efficient code due to a patch or a combination of patches and which one(s) OR if its due to what Steve pointed to about "SP3 installation process fixed up some corrupted stuff found in the existing installation" OR -------.
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said by ultracooldave :

Technical speed benchmark tests are not everything in life-several ...

Agreed. There are Stats, Lies, and Benchmarks. In the HPC world we would run benchmarks for general comparisons, but if you wanted to check performance you ran the applications themselves, or if you really wanted to know how the system was going to perform you ran the applications in the mix they normally would be run in (wall clock time).
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They sneakily implemented performance improvements in SP3 without telling anyone they'd done so. Thousands of unsuspecting customers installed SP3 and were stuck with faster applications as a result.

Well, I suppose that's what we ought to expect from a near-monopoly.

Thank goodness for watchdogs like Information Week that alert us to this sort of skullduggery!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20476008 Tue, 13 May 2008 14:44:09 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475993 astirusty :

said by Steve

:

What's likely happening here is that the SP3 installation process fixed up some corrupted stuff found in the existing installation (misregistered COM stuff, for instance)

Just pondering -- what would be the results speed wise if one upgrade to SP3, ran performance tests, then de-installed SP3 (reverting back to SP2) and ran performance tests?

said by Steve

:

But on a generally-clean machine, it wouldn't make any difference.

Just clarifying. Are you basing this on the testing of several clean machines, first running XP SP2 then XP SP3?
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said by n1zuk

:

I'll have to agree with Steve here. I haven't noticed my XP Pro running *faster* since installing SP3 (but then, have a new install or AVG 8 to go with it :huh: ). Of course, afterwards I CCleaner'ed it, and then defragged. So not a very controlled test.

What I have noticed is I don't get as many hangs/'program did not close' boxes when shutting down. I had shut off some of the error reporting in the past to try and rid myself of these (without much success). Now it seems to shut down much more orderly.

i am agree its faster with system responses, not hanging. But i also am getting more error logs in the system events. Which is really informing me of changes i need to make. I think alot of people have corrupted files on there machine, and SP3 is refreshing them, as said above. I kinda think Microsoft needs to make a refreshing application, that you can refresh files on your pc, without a major hassle.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475820 Tue, 13 May 2008 14:09:24 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20475601 n1zuk : I'll have to agree with Steve here. I haven't noticed my XP Pro running *faster* since installing SP3 (but then, have a new install or AVG 8 to go with it :huh: ). Of course, afterwards I CCleaner'ed it, and then defragged. So not a very controlled test.

What I have noticed is I don't get as many hangs/'program did not close' boxes when shutting down. I had shut off some of the error reporting in the past to try and rid myself of these (without much success). Now it seems to shut down much more orderly.
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Steve
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said by unsub

That's what I've been thinking. No one can point out exactly which of the patches would be responsible for a performance boost. It doesn't just magically start running faster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474641 Tue, 13 May 2008 10:31:20 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474634 anon : Technical speed benchmark tests are not everything in life-several have posted similar experiences to mine-SP3 "seems" to work better. XP was already a great OS so any improvement is appreciated!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474634 Tue, 13 May 2008 10:29:16 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474558 SUMware :

said by ztmike

:

Wasn't SP3 causing computers to reboot themselves?

»XP SP3 on AMD Based Machines - Serious Problems]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474558 Tue, 13 May 2008 10:10:41 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474335 antdude : Any game benchmarks showing improvements? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474335 Tue, 13 May 2008 09:17:04 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474314 unsub :

said by punker

:

well i could not edit because it gave an error

WELL it's faster all right LOL!!!!

No it's NOT!

weres my 10% boost? :D

That benchmark is purely synthetic. It would be good to use to compare hardware against hardware, but not OS versions.

Nothing wrong with it, but not so hot for real world use.

Someone would need to use something like PC mark for a bit more accurate benchmark.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474314 Tue, 13 May 2008 09:12:55 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474233 Shriyash : I upgraded my bro's laptop to SP3 via Windows Update just a week ago.
SP3 did NOT make any improvements as far as booting up or normal usage goes.
The laptop was fast enough to begin with, and it may be taking 1 second longer to boot up now. :huh:

Edit: at least the size of the update was small, only about 66 MB, and i have no other issues, installation went smoothly....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474233 Tue, 13 May 2008 08:44:04 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474232 sabersaw : Have installed it on my work machine, a machine in the lab, and a machine at home. It does seem faster for certain operations.. swap file access as mentioned. I did de-fragment all the PCs after the install, that could account for the extra 'speed'?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474232 Tue, 13 May 2008 08:44:01 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474206 dave :

said by unsub

:

You want to believe that Sp3 improves performance because your computer "feels faster"?

As I read this, it felt like you had been able to type it 10% faster. I think that's due to SP3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474206 Tue, 13 May 2008 08:36:24 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474062 dandeman : It's faster on my Thinkpad T30..... 2Ghz processor 1GB RAM, tested it with 512MB RAM.. still faster..

On some of the machines above that quotes numbers, 384MB of RAM is not sufficient for XP.. XP is going to run slow period....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474062 Tue, 13 May 2008 07:32:50 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474011 Gts : I have it installed on 4 PCs and a work laptop. I've noticed a shorter time in booting, and my son claims his computer is 'faster' when he the swap file is being accessed, when he plays a online game.

Do i know by acutal numbers no, but the 'feel' seems to be faster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20474011 Tue, 13 May 2008 07:02:36 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473973 Oleg :

said by ztmike

:

Wasn't SP3 causing computers to reboot themselves? I'm sticking to sp2.

Not for me,but i do not use OEM installed OS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473973 Tue, 13 May 2008 06:30:45 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473925 Mele20 : I've used several benchmark tests but CrystalMark I didn't know about. Thanks for posting that! I got it and ran it and could not figure out why the OpenGL score was rock bottom low and this is a very nice gaming machine. Turned out ProcessGuard had silently blocked cm09gl.exe from accessing physical memory. I disabled PG and then got a great score and an overall very good score.

I haven't installed SP3 (and probably won't for some time), but I'll be curious when I do to see if I get any increase in speed.
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WELL it's faster all right LOL!!!!

No it's NOT!

weres my 10% boost? :D
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this is an old computer

Pentium 3 805MHz
384MB ram SDRAM
NVIDIA Riva 128 8MB (Windows 2000 Driver)
Maxtor D740X Viper Series
Maxtor 91080D5 (swap)
2Gig SCSI 7200RPM (swap)

sp2

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473810 Tue, 13 May 2008 03:49:39 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473688 Vathral :

said by Its a Secret

said by Vathral

:

wow. Opening Word went from 2.5 seconds to 2.3 after the patch. Awesome! :D

You must have an old rig...mine (Word '07) opens in .4 secs... :p

Damn, you got me curious. I just typed out whatever. Took out my stopwatch and it opened up .313 seconds!

Rigs in my profile :P
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said by Finger2208

:

We should have all bought Vista instead :huh:

Hack no!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473515 Tue, 13 May 2008 01:14:01 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473509 Finger2208 : We should have all bought Vista instead :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473509 Tue, 13 May 2008 01:10:55 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473499 Blackbird : I'm with Mele20

on this one:

"But what does whether or not SP3 makes XP "faster" have to do with security? Doesn't this belong in Microsoft Help forum?"

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Windows XP MCE 2005 SP3 IE7]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473429 Tue, 13 May 2008 00:44:33 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473415 Its a Secret :

said by Vathral

:

wow. Opening Word went from 2.5 seconds to 2.3 after the patch. Awesome! :D

You must have an old rig...mine (Word '07) opens in .4 secs... :p
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I'm at my desktop.
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said by unsub

:

Joke post?

I can't believe I'm having this conversation. This is idiotic. You want to believe that Sp3 improves performance because your computer "feels faster"? Knock yourselves out. I tend to trust…you know…facts and crazy things like that.

Serious post!

XP SP3 made my old Compaq 386/33 run so fast it self-immolated, burned a hole through the desk and the floor, and ended up a blob of molten metal in the basement!

said by unsub

:

Call me old fashioned.

OK - you're old fashioned. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473034 Mon, 12 May 2008 23:02:43 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472998 Grail Knight : Actually MMC in short order you will most likely find WinXP SP3 included with the free software many computer mags give away.

A bonus is if you buy the right one you will learn something new in most cases. Tweaking, computer operation, tips, tricks, etc..

Edit* Corrected WinXP
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said by ultracooldave :

I think you have not read your own link - "Summary
Windows XP SP3 combines all previously released performance, security, and stability updates"
The key word here is "combines"- they have completely re-vamped XP much like re-mastering a music CD, mainly for their corp. and gov't customers however we benefit from this too. My 4 computers all work better with it but I cannot claim they are faster, I think they are but I will settle for better.

Joke post?

Just to help the people who might be confused by this; The key words above are "all previously released" This includes every update from XP's release 7 years ago. 99% of SP3 has already been installed in your machine over the last few years. The other 1% doesn't deal with performance. END OF STORY

I can't believe I'm having this conversation. This is idiotic. You want to believe that Sp3 improves performance because your computer "feels faster"? Knock yourselves out. I tend to trust…you know…facts and crazy things like that. Call me old fashioned.
.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472959 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:47:47 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472948 dave : Oh, right. They remixed the OS down from the 128-bit masters.

Sure it's not like a Director's Cut DVD, where they've included the parts that were previously left on the cutting-room floor?

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Your interpretation is just silly. 'Combined' means 'available in one package', and nothing more.

Yes, of course you can get XP + SP3 on one CD, just like you could get XP + SP2 on one CD, and XP + SP1 on one CD. How that constitutes 'revamping' the software is beyond me. Regardless of whether you get 'foo.exe version 1' from the original CD and later drop 'foo.exe version 2' on top of it, or you get 'foo.exe version 2' from the new CD, what you've got at the end of it is 'foo.exe version 2'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472948 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:45:27 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472895 smajchrz : I am still scratching my head as to how "combines" = "re-vamped". According to that pdf, SP3 is mostly just a roll up of everything that has already been made available with only a few true updates.

Your analogy of re-mastering a CD doesn't work either as that would entail tweaking everything, which they specifically say they do not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472895 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:35:31 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472892 hayc59 :

said by mbi777

:

Everything "SEEMS" faster on my machine! Sorry for the bad news.

Ditto here also...zoom zoom ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472892 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:35:13 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472772 mbi777 : Everything "SEEMS" faster on my machine! Sorry for the bad news.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472772 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:14:20 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472684 anon : I think you have not read your own link - "Summary
Windows XP SP3 combines all previously released performance, security, and stability updates"
The key word here is "combines"- they have completely re-vamped XP much like re-mastering a music CD, mainly for their corp. and gov't customers however we benefit from this too. My 4 computers all work better with it but I cannot claim they are faster, I think they are but I will settle for better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472684 Mon, 12 May 2008 21:58:44 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472574 anon : MS was faced with a revolt over Vista from its largest corp. customers and had to come up with SP3, its the best and will be with us for a long time. I would not believe any press reports of XP ending anytime soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472574 Mon, 12 May 2008 21:37:45 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472557 dave :

said by ultracooldave :

What a bunch of bullshit-Sp3 is a completely re-vamped OS not just a bunch of updates combined!

Perhaps you could write to Microsoft and let them know what's in their Service Pack? They seem unaware that they've completely revamped the OS.

»download.microsoft.com/download/···%203.pdf]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472557 Mon, 12 May 2008 21:33:17 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472543 anon : Go to google and type in "xpsp3 retail cd", or is this too difficult, you can make your own "original" retail ISO, even though its not in stores yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472543 Mon, 12 May 2008 21:30:13 EDT - http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472513 anon :

that's what a service pack is, a combination of updates.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472513 Mon, 12 May 2008 21:23:41 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472455 Mele20 :

said by ultracooldave :

What a bunch of bullshit-Sp3 is a completely re-vamped OS not just a bunch of updates combined! Many of the improvements you claim many people would never use are not seen by anyone but are working in the background. Its the best OS there is in my opinion and well worth the money to buy the retail CD if you can afford it.

Oh really? You mean Microsoft is selling XP ProSP3 disks and you can walk in a store and buy one? That is interesting since June 30 the OEM XP deadline.
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Just my opinion though.
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Really people? Really? You buy this? SP3? The service pack that adds absolutely NO features that would have ANY effect on performance?

I understand that not everyone here understands the inner workings of an OS, but seriously. 5 minutes worth of reading would have cleared this up.

SP3 does not give a performance boost. It's just an update rollup that contains a few enterprise level features that 99.999 percent of you will never use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20472135 Mon, 12 May 2008 20:11:21 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471986 Mele20 : I don't think a 10% difference would be discernable or a reason to install the Service Pack.

But what does whether or not SP3 makes XP "faster" have to do with security? Doesn't this belong in Microsoft Help forum?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471986 Mon, 12 May 2008 19:46:35 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471961 punker :

said by Finger2208

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I have also noticed a speed improvement over SP2. To me it just seems that apps load faster, boot is faster, etc.

I'll be interested to load it on our laptop and see what happens there.

it does not beat windows 2003 Sp2
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I'll be interested to load it on our laptop and see what happens there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471621 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:38:07 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471290 Hutch : I have noticed and increase of speed in loading of applications and Boot-Up time (when I reboot) with SP3 installed. I haven't installed SP3 on my wifes computer yet, or the kids computer either.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471290 Mon, 12 May 2008 17:36:58 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470940 astirusty :

said by Name Game

If true, any bets on how long it will take to resolve this??? :o :p ;)
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So is XP SP3 really faster or not? :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470676 Mon, 12 May 2008 15:53:12 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470614 DataDoc : It'd take a cpu transplant for me to notice a speed increase. :(
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470614 Mon, 12 May 2008 15:41:20 EDT Re: Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470408 MarkAW : Since installing SP3 i have notice a speed increase on my XP Pro Intel P4 3.00GHz system, i haven't installed SP3 on my wife's XP home Intel P4 1.4 GHz or my daughters XP Pro Intel Celeron computers as yet maybe i should. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470408 Mon, 12 May 2008 15:06:45 EDT Windows XP Service Pack 3 runs FASTER http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470003 Name Game : Researchers said Windows XP Service Pack 3 delivers a measurable performance boost when compared with Windows XP with Service Pack 2.

By Paul McDougall
InformationWeek
May 12, 2008 09:54 AM

Windows XP runs some applications up to 10% faster with the latest service pack installed, a research firm has found.
"We were pleasantly surprised to discover that Windows XP Service Pack 3 (v.3244) delivers a measurable performance boost to this aging desktop OS," wrote staff at exo.performance.network, in a blog post.

More Windows InsightsWhite PapersEMC Saves Millions With Enhanced Productivity and Communication Tools Intranet Improves Productivity and Access to Information, Reduces Costs IT Service Provider Increases Productivity With New Operating System The researchers found that a PC loaded with Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT)'s XP SP3 completed the OfficeBench test suite in less than 50 seconds. A similarly configured system running Windows XP with Service Pack 2 took more than 50 seconds to complete the test suite -- which measures how quickly a computer can perform common tasks in Microsoft Word, PowerPoint, and Excel.
"Since SP3 was supposed to be mostly a bug-fix/patch consolidation release ... the unexpected speed boost comes as a nice bonus," the researchers wrote.

They added that XP SP3's slick performance may lead some computer users to forgo Windows Vista. Exo.performance.network found that with the new service pack, XP is now two times faster than the newer Microsoft OS.

The tests were conducted late last year on a prerelease build of XP SP3. So it's possible the final version is even faster.

It's not all four-star reviews for the service pack, however.

»www.informationweek.com/news/win···07602577
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