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jlhugh
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join:2001-09-07
Wichita Falls, TX

[Vista] Vista and SBS 2K3 will not play nice

I can't get any of my Vista computers up here at work to log into the SBS 2k3 server. They log in fine to the other regular 2K3 server. I have installed both SP1 and SP2 on the SBS server and they still cant log in. I get an access denied error. My XP machines are working fine. Is there another file that I need to install to make them play nice??
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Leathal
Premium
join:2002-02-09
M1S0G4
kudos:2

Which version of Vista are you using?

I have SBS 2k3 PE R2 SP2 running at my home office and Vista Buiness Edition with Sp1, I am able to login and do everything I could normally do with XP.

I would suggest you join the machines do the server like you normally do with 2k3 server and not use the SBS wizard as it may not work with vista.

leathal



jlhugh
Premium
join:2001-09-07
Wichita Falls, TX

they have vista home premium on them



izy
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
endless loop
kudos:1

1 edit

Vista Home Premium does not support domain-based authentication.

Are you trying to log onto a domain?

Windows Vista Home Premium is designed as the foundation for a home entertainment system
»support.microsoft.com/kb/929543


bcastner
Premium,VIP,MVM
join:2002-09-25
Chevy Chase, MD
kudos:7

reply to jlhugh
You cannot join the machine to a Domain and create a machine account. You cannot enable a security panel logon GUI.

1. Make sure you have a user account with password that exactly matches an existing user account and password on the SBS Domain.
2. Make sure the Workgroup Name matches the Domain Name.
Make sure that password protected sharing is enabled.
:!: Reboot.

3. Logon with the user credentials that match the Domain account.
4. You can now use Domain resources.

E.G.:

NET USE K: \\SBS_SERVER_NAME\SOME_SHARE_NAME
NET USE LPT3: \\SBS_SERVER_NAME\SOME_PRINTER\SHARENAME
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Leathal
Premium
join:2002-02-09
M1S0G4
kudos:2

reply to jlhugh
They must have Vista Business on them. Ultimate may also work but I am not 100% sure.

Leathal



howie
Premium
join:2003-04-08
Antarctica
kudos:4

Ultimate includes every feature of Vista Business plus all the multimedia features of Vista Home Premium so I'd say yes.
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towerdave

join:2002-01-16
O Fallon, IL

reply to jlhugh
Ultimate will work, and if your SBS installation is up to date with patches, etc, the wizard will work as well. Been there, done that.

TD



bcastner
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join:2002-09-25
Chevy Chase, MD
kudos:7

reply to Leathal
You only need Vista Business or higher to join a Domain. You do not need to join a domain to access shared resources.

If you have a valid user account on the Domain, you can logon with those credentials and do a NET USE to access shares or printers.



Leathal
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M1S0G4
kudos:2

said by bcastner:

You do not need to join a domain to access shared resources.

If you have a valid user account on the Domain, you can logon with those credentials and do a NET USE to access shares or printers.

This may have worked for you in the past, it has never worked for me in a production environment with any company using Windows 2003 Server Std Ed - non-SBS production.

Home Premium would drop the connection, or some times telnet wouldn't work. etc. It was just horrible, oh the other thing that was funny was at one site that had a NAS system even though the Vista Home Prem was pointed to the local DNS server I couldn't get access to the NAS which wasn't connected to AD at the time, it did work on XP Pro and Vista Business machines.

Leathal


bcastner
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Chevy Chase, MD
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2 edits

I do not know what your issue was or may be now, but I cannot replicate it. Nor could the original OP. See his first line -- he has no issue with Win2k3 servers; only SBS servers.

Your repeated claim above, "They must have Vista Business on them" is just not true.



izy
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
endless loop
kudos:1

My guess is that the W2K3 server is not part of a domain but the SBS server is.



bcastner
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Chevy Chase, MD
kudos:7

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And why would that make a difference?
You do not have to do a Domain join to use Domain resources. Your premise that this is a requirement is faulty.

There are a lot of people who occasionally bring to work their home notebook with XP Home Edition, Windows MCE, or Vista Home Premium, and access Domain resources without issue.



izy
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
endless loop
kudos:1

My premise is that Microsoft did not intend for Vista Home Premium to be used in a domain environment nor access domain resources.

You say you can make it work, probably but IMO you better get Vista Business on those desktops since this is a "business" environment.

A lot easier than training your users to use your "workaround".



bcastner
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Chevy Chase, MD
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It is not a workaround.
It is a completely and perfectly normal use of Windows Networking.

Any suggestion on your part that this is either a workaround, or an usupported or illegal use is absolutely wrong.

It is not necessary to have a machine account in order for a computer to share resources on a Microsoft Windows Domain. The next thing I suppose you are going to claim is that non-Microsoft clients are not permitted to share resources on these Domains either -- unless you make "workarounds" or other means of dubious merit and dubious legality.

You do not know what you are talking about.
And, more importantly, you are providing no help to the original poster:: who --note -- has no issues with Windows Server 2003, only SBS.

You are not going to see Microsft announce to the World that those users who have a Vista home edition or XP Home edition cannot use their laptops when they bring them to the office to share files and print.

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izy
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
endless loop
kudos:1

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So be it. I can see the look on the users face when you tell him to just use the "NET USE" command when he needs access to a shared folder.

And yes, Microsoft WILL NOT support you when you call them asking for help accessing domain resources from Vista Home Premium. I guess that makes it "unsupported"?

btw, I never mentioned illegal...which it is not...

said by bcastner:

You are not going to see Microsft announce to the World that those users who have a Vista home edition or XP Home edition cannot use their laptops when they bring them to the office to share files and print.
Honestly I do not know where your going with this. I feel like I'm feeding a troll. I said you are correct and probably can make it work. I will expand on my response, from the sounds of it this is not a situation where a user is "occaisionally" bring a home laptop into work. It is a PC at work. Now if your up for constantly supporting these end users trying to access network resources, by all means, stick with Home Premium. My only suggestion is to get Business on those PC's and make it work the way MS intended it to...


bcastner
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Chevy Chase, MD
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I just object to your repeated claims above that are absolutely wrong. A Vista Home Premium user can logon to a Domain, and can do an authentication of their user credentials. That is not, as you stated, impossible. This user can share files, and print to Domain printers.

The only one making claims that the user problem is his Vista version is you. And that claim is a complete falsehood.

You were flat out wrong. And yes, this is a supported use of Vista Home Premium -- if you call Microsoft you will receive support.

How many more completely false claims about Windows Networking and Microsoft support are we in for in this thread by you? You do not know what you are talking about, and your absolutely false claims just keep growing in number with each new response.
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izy
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
endless loop
kudos:1

said by bcastner:

That is not, as you stated, impossible.
Please quote where I said "impossible"

said by bcastner:

The only one making claims that the user problem is his Vista version is you. And that claim is a complete falsehood.
Yes, the version of Vista is the problem. If it wasn't, the OP wouldn't have asked the question in the first place. It worked with XP? Pro I assume, right? Why not Vista Home Premium? Sounds like a problem to me... The solution you provided. If it was Vista Business, you would not have this problem.

said by bcastner:

How many more completely false claims about Windows Networking and Microsoft support are we in for in this thread by you? You do not know what you are talking about, and your absolutely false claims just keep growing in number with each new response.
My god dude! I said you were right! I never said it wouldn't!

You need to take a chill pill. I stated the fact that MS did not intend Home Premium to be used in a domain environment. I never stated it would not work or was illegal. Period!

But if you insist on thinking that I said it won't work, ok...you win.


jlhugh
Premium
join:2001-09-07
Wichita Falls, TX

reply to izy

said by izy:

Vista Home Premium does not support domain-based authentication.

Are you trying to log onto a domain?
how does it log into the 2k3 server without any problems? the servers are set up the same. what i am doing is clicking on he server name in my network and it pops up the access denied error on the sbs server. when i click on the 2k3 server is pops up a box that asks for the user name and password and works just fine. i don't even get the box option on the sbs server.

towerdave

join:2002-01-16
O Fallon, IL

reply to jlhugh
jlhugh,

Do this:

1. Click Start, Run
2. Type CMD and hit Enter.
3. In the Command Prompt window, type NET USE and hit ENTER.
4. Look for your SBS box listed there. If it is, note either the drive letter, or the path (\\servername\sharename) that is listed and type NET USE driveorpathname /DELETE (NET USE K: /DELETE or NET USE \\servername\share /DELETE)
5. Repeat 4 for any instances you have of the SBS box.
6. Try clicking on the server again, and it should prompt for credentials.

Thanks,

TD


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