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reply to jlhugh

Re: [Vista] Vista and SBS 2K3 will not play nice

they have vista home premium on them

Vista Home Premium does not support domain-based authentication.

Are you trying to log onto a domain?

reply to jlhugh
They must have Vista Business on them. Ultimate may also work but I am not 100% sure.

Leathal

Ultimate includes every feature of Vista Business plus all the multimedia features of Vista Home Premium so I'd say yes.
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reply to Leathal
You only need Vista Business or higher to join a Domain. You do not need to join a domain to access shared resources.

If you have a valid user account on the Domain, you can logon with those credentials and do a NET USE to access shares or printers.

I do not know what your issue was or may be now, but I cannot replicate it. Nor could the original OP. See his first line -- he has no issue with Win2k3 servers; only SBS servers.

Your repeated claim above, "They must have Vista Business on them" is just not true.

My guess is that the W2K3 server is not part of a domain but the SBS server is.

And why would that make a difference?
You do not have to do a Domain join to use Domain resources. Your premise that this is a requirement is faulty.

There are a lot of people who occasionally bring to work their home notebook with XP Home Edition, Windows MCE, or Vista Home Premium, and access Domain resources without issue.

My premise is that Microsoft did not intend for Vista Home Premium to be used in a domain environment nor access domain resources.

You say you can make it work, probably but IMO you better get Vista Business on those desktops since this is a "business" environment.

A lot easier than training your users to use your "workaround".

It is not a workaround.
It is a completely and perfectly normal use of Windows Networking.

Any suggestion on your part that this is either a workaround, or an usupported or illegal use is absolutely wrong.

It is not necessary to have a machine account in order for a computer to share resources on a Microsoft Windows Domain. The next thing I suppose you are going to claim is that non-Microsoft clients are not permitted to share resources on these Domains either -- unless you make "workarounds" or other means of dubious merit and dubious legality.

You do not know what you are talking about.
And, more importantly, you are providing no help to the original poster:: who --note -- has no issues with Windows Server 2003, only SBS.

You are not going to see Microsft announce to the World that those users who have a Vista home edition or XP Home edition cannot use their laptops when they bring them to the office to share files and print.

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So be it. I can see the look on the users face when you tell him to just use the "NET USE" command when he needs access to a shared folder.

And yes, Microsoft WILL NOT support you when you call them asking for help accessing domain resources from Vista Home Premium. I guess that makes it "unsupported"?

btw, I never mentioned illegal...which it is not...

I just object to your repeated claims above that are absolutely wrong. A Vista Home Premium user can logon to a Domain, and can do an authentication of their user credentials. That is not, as you stated, impossible. This user can share files, and print to Domain printers.

The only one making claims that the user problem is his Vista version is you. And that claim is a complete falsehood.

You were flat out wrong. And yes, this is a supported use of Vista Home Premium -- if you call Microsoft you will receive support.

How many more completely false claims about Windows Networking and Microsoft support are we in for in this thread by you? You do not know what you are talking about, and your absolutely false claims just keep growing in number with each new response.
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reply to izy

[Inadvertant duplicate of the below]

reply to jlhugh
Check to be sure the local console username and passord, exactly match the username and password used on the servers. It sounds like you have the exact match for Win2k3, but the SBS has a different username and/or password pair. It is likely the password, given the error message. Remember these are CaSe sensitive.

Finally, be default, Vista will not do LM hashes, nor pass them for authentication. It also uses NTLM v.2 If SBS is set up for NTLMN, be sure to it accepts NTLM V2. Then for LM hashes you need to either enable this in Vista or disable this in SBS.

To enable in Vista, use Regedit (as your version of Vista does not have SECPOL.MSC):
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa
"LmCompatibilityLevel" Type DWORD
Change this to 00000001
Restart your computer.

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reply to bcastner
You say Vista Home Premium is intended for Active Directory, Windows 2003 Server networks and SBS but I have yet to see any actual information that proves you are correct even from the software giant themselves, Microsoft.

Leathal

I never mentioned anything that used the word "intended". And I have no idea why the primary product focus of any Vista SKU would matter. Nor does the "software giant" publish a comprehensive listing of permitted uses. What you cannot do is listed in the EULA. What you can do is, as the "software giant" says, "think of the possibilities."

The issue is whether Vista Home Premium can access Win2k3 and SBS Domains. The correct answer is that yes they can.

Just like most MCE Editions and XP Home, they cannot be used to create machine accounts. They can only be used for user level authentication access to Domain resources.
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