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Trel
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Want to use my own router with Fios, how to?

I have a WRT54GL with Tomato firmware. However, I can't just swap out routers as the WRT does not have a Coax connection.

What if anything can I do in this situation?
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PetePuma
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Try searching this forum.

»How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge


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May 12th, @05:48PM

said by PetePuma See Profile :

Try searching this forum.

»How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
Had no clue on what to search for. Thanks for the link

Will this still work if I have to use Coax for FiosTV too?


PetePuma
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You could also have them switch the data to ethernet. It would not affect your TV service over coax.


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Don't do it. Gas prices will go up. Again.


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May 12th, @09:16PM

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said by Trel See Profile :

said by PetePuma See Profile :

Try searching this forum.

»How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
Had no clue on what to search for. Thanks for the link

Will this still work if I have to use Coax for FiosTV too?
Yes. The only difference is, you will need to keep the ActionTec plugged into the Coax cable, and have an Ethernet cable go from your new Router's LAN port, to a LAN port on the ActionTec.

Edit:

Just to clarify -- You will still need an Ethernet Cable from the ONT to your Tomato router's WAN port...but, the ActionTec will now become a "LAN" client to provide your Video on Demand service, and the STB Guide data.

The change would be that the Internet (Data) would come through and leave out of the Ethernet port -- the Coax would simply be used for TV Service only.


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May 12th, @09:17PM

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said by PetePuma See Profile :

You could also have them switch the data to ethernet. It would not affect your TV service over coax.
If he wanted to use his Tomato firmware router, he would have to have an Ethernet cable plugged into the ONT, and then call Verizon and run around in circles and play phone tag or just go into the Verizon Direct forum and ask them to re-provision his ONT for use with Ethernet. They may insist on a truck roll over the phone, but a tech will not be needed as long as he follows my previous post / advice.

Edit: had DD-WRT on my mind...fixed to reflect Tomato.


Trel
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said by Shrapnel64 See Profile :

said by Trel See Profile :

said by PetePuma See Profile :

Try searching this forum.

»How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
Had no clue on what to search for. Thanks for the link

Will this still work if I have to use Coax for FiosTV too?
Yes. The only difference is, you will need to keep the ActionTec plugged into the Coax cable, and have an Ethernet cable go from your new Router's LAN port, to a LAN port on the ActionTec.

Edit:

Just to clarify -- You will still need an Ethernet Cable from the ONT to your Tomato router's WAN port...but, the ActionTec will now become a "LAN" client to provide your Video on Demand service, and the STB Guide data.

The change would be that the Internet (Data) would come through and leave out of the Ethernet port -- the Coax would simply be used for TV Service only.
I'm not sure I understand, What do I need to have done cabling wise. What to what?

(I don't think I'm understanding as I'm hearing Verizon Router's Lan to Tomato's Wan, and Tomato's Lan to Verizon's Wan)?


Trel
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I re-read it and it looks like you might mean I have to connect the Tomato Router, to the box they setup. In that case, there's a problem, as I have no way to make any wires reach.
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May 12th, @10:31PM

said by Trel See Profile :

I re-read it and it looks like you might mean I have to connect the Tomato Router, to the box they setup. In that case, there's a problem, as I have no way to make any wires reach.
You have the following options:

1) Leave the Actiontec on coax and connect your router behind the Actiontec on a different subnet. The result is that devices connected to your router will be double nat'ed, but this the easiest approach.

2) As mentioned above, leave the Actiontec on coax, connect your router behind the Actiontec, turning the Actiontec into a bridge using the link already provided: »How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
here's a diagram of the cabling for this approach:
»Re: Make your actiontec a bridge with VOD working with REV D

3) Switch the WAN connection between the Actiontec and the ONT from coax to cat5. Replace the Actiontec with your router, then place the Actiontec behind your router to provide a MOCA bridge for the STBs. Instructions can be found here:
»Re: Smoothwall


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said by More Fiber See Profile :

said by Trel See Profile :

I re-read it and it looks like you might mean I have to connect the Tomato Router, to the box they setup. In that case, there's a problem, as I have no way to make any wires reach.
You have the following options:

1) Leave the Actiontec on coax and connect your router behind the Actiontec on a different subnet. The result is that devices connected to your router will be double nat'ed, but this the easiest approach.
That won't work well for anything I need to do unfortunately.

2) As mentioned above, leave the Actiontec on coax, connect your router behind the Actiontec, turning the Actiontec into a bridge using the link already provided: »How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
here's a diagram of the cabling for this approach:
»Re: Make your actiontec a bridge with VOD working with REV D
From what I see, this is the confuration I have now.
However, will internet works for any device connected to MY router, the TV boxes are not working.
This is the method I want to use, so if anyone can figure out why it's not working for the TV boxes, that would be super

3) Switch the WAN connection between the Actiontec and the ONT from coax to cat5. Replace the Actiontec with your router, then place the Actiontec behind your router to provide a MOCA bridge for the STBs. Instructions can be found here:
»Re: Smoothwall
That would require getting verizon to run another wire as the router and ONT are on different ends of the house, correct?
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said by Trel See Profile :

From what I see, this is the confuration I have now. However, will internet works for any device connected to MY router, the TV boxes are not working. This is the method I want to use, so if anyone can figure out why it's not working for the TV boxes, that would be super
If you have the Actiontec correctly in bridge mode, the Linksys should be pulling a WAN IP address (71.x.x.x, 72.x.x.x or 96.x.x.x).

What you need to do now is:
•Connect a patch cable from a Linksys LAN port to an Actiontec LAN port. The Actiontec already has a LAN to coax bridge established.
•In the Actiontec NETWORK(Home/Office) settings, assign the Actiontec a static LAN IP address on the Linksys subnet.
•Reboot the STBs by unplugging the A/C.
•The STBs should now obtain a DHCP address from the Linksys.
said by Trel See Profile :

That would require getting verizon to run another wire as the router and ONT are on different ends of the house, correct?
Yes. VZ will charge to come out and run the wire for you.
Running the wire yourself may be an option. If so, VZ will not charge to switch the connection as long as they do not have to roll a truck.


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May 13th, @12:53AM

said by More Fiber See Profile :

said by Trel See Profile :

From what I see, this is the confuration I have now. However, will internet works for any device connected to MY router, the TV boxes are not working. This is the method I want to use, so if anyone can figure out why it's not working for the TV boxes, that would be super
If you have the Actiontec correctly in bridge mode, the Linksys should be pulling a WAN IP address (71.x.x.x, 72.x.x.x or 96.x.x.x).

What you need to do now is:
•Connect a patch cable from a Linksys LAN port to an Actiontec LAN port. The Actiontec already has a LAN to coax bridge established.
•In the Actiontec NETWORK(Home/Office) settings, assign the Actiontec a static LAN IP address on the Linksys subnet.
•Reboot the STBs by unplugging the A/C.
•The STBs should now obtain a DHCP address from the Linksys.
said by Trel See Profile :

That would require getting verizon to run another wire as the router and ONT are on different ends of the house, correct?
Yes. VZ will charge to come out and run the wire for you.
Running the wire yourself may be an option. If so, VZ will not charge to switch the connection as long as they do not have to roll a truck.
Few things, does a patch cable have to be used, or will a normal ethernet cable work? Also, if it will work, I'm still having a problem getting the STB's to pull an IP, they just stay with 0.0.0.0

Now, however, looking back at posts, the main post of this: »Make your actiontec a bridge with VOD working with REV D

Has some extra steps compared to: »How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge

Would the extra steps make a difference in my case?


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said by Trel See Profile :

Does a patch cable have to be used, or will a normal ethernet cable work?
By patch cable, I was referring to a standard ethernet cable. Most newer routers and switch ports are MDX and do not need cross-over cables.

said by Trel See Profile :

Also, if it will work, I'm still having a problem getting the STB's to pull an IP, they just stay with 0.0.0.0
With the patch cable in place, can you connect a PC to one of the remaining LAN ports on the Actiontec and pull an IP address from the Linksys? If so, check that the NETWORK (Home/Office) is properly bridged between the coax and ethernet interfaces.

Also, you must disconnect the A/C from the STBs to reboot them in order to pull a DHCP address.

said by Trel See Profile :

Would the extra steps make a difference in my case?
As to the extra steps, the whole process of bridging has been problematic for a number of posters. There does not seem to be a common set of instructions that work perfectly for everyone. Yubin's original post recommends using the patch cable from the Linksys LAN port to the Actiontec WAN port and creating a second bridge. An earlier thread recommended creating a VLAN, but that functionality seemed to break on the latest VZ firmware.


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said by More Fiber See Profile :

said by Trel See Profile :

Also, if it will work, I'm still having a problem getting the STB's to pull an IP, they just stay with 0.0.0.0
With the patch cable in place, can you connect a PC to one of the remaining LAN ports on the Actiontec and pull an IP address from the Linksys? If so, check that the NETWORK (Home/Office) is properly bridged between the coax and ethernet interfaces.

Also, you must disconnect the A/C from the STBs to reboot them in order to pull a DHCP address.
I am not able to pull an IP by being connected to the Actiontec's ethernet with the patch cable in place.

said by More Fiber See Profile :

said by Trel See Profile :

Would the extra steps make a difference in my case?
As to the extra steps, the whole process of bridging has been problematic for a number of posters. There does not seem to be a common set of instructions that work perfectly for everyone. Yubin's original post recommends using the patch cable from the Linksys LAN port to the Actiontec WAN port and creating a second bridge. An earlier thread recommended creating a VLAN, but that functionality seemed to break on the latest VZ firmware.
Now my problem is that while the STBs get an IP, they aren't having any connectivity. They don't get VOD, they don't get Guide, and they don't get Widgets. (this is following Yubin's guide). Plus, they don't respond to ping.
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Trel
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I may have fixed it.
(I think I fixed it by putting the first bridge (Home Network/Coax) to 192.168.0.x, while keeping the other one getting an IP in the form of 192.168.1.x)
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