yoyomhz
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| Why does Hollywood Movie producers want to degrade society?
I noticed that movies lately, are either disgusting and vulgar, or they have murders. Lots of murders. Why would any sane person go to see a movie, or rent one and watch it in his living romm, of someone getting murdered? Why? Yet that is the favourite topic for hollywood movie studios. it's their plan to degrade society. There is no other logical reason. And I find it sickening.
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alex4life
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happylurk
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Actually I'll kinda have to go along with yoyo on this one.
The most recent crop of slasher flicks like The Hills Have Eyes, Hostel and the Saw series have taken Hollywood gore far and beyond any semblance of good taste or even sanity.
30 years ago if you tried to release movies like these on the public the very least they would do is commit you to a sanitarium under heavy sedation for life or more likely hunt you down like a dog and string you up with a taste of mob justice.
I think what scares me the most is that teenage kids today watch this kinda stuff and all it gets out of them is a giggle or two.
I'm not big on censorship in any way, shape or form, but some of the psychotic episodes on celluloid coming out of Hollyweird these days is over the top even for a Joseph Mengele type... |
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vue666
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May 13th, @05:42AM
| I agree with Yoyo as well. Unfortunately gore and sex sells in North America...
I'd also toss rap or hip hop music into the mix as well... |
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capdjq
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If there was no market for these movies the Studios would not make them. Every one has a choice to watch or switch the dial. Personally I like horror movies, not the Saw 4 type, but the Exorcist genre.
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ShadPTR
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Markham, ON | reply to yoyomhz
No matter how fake or unreal these types of trash movies are, it desensitizes people to real life violence. I supposed people watch this junk for cheap thrills. I personally do not spend a cent on this type of flick. |
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happylurk
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I totally disagree. If there was a market for Heroin then why don't we just legalize that and allow people to make adult decisions about whether or not to become a junkie?
A movie like Hostel is really just a thinly disguised snuff film where no one actually dies. What about kiddie pron? Most of the stuff the average perv downloads in the guise of kiddie pron is actually pretty innocuous stuff, but society draws the line at snuff and kiddie pron.
The violence and mayhem in these Hollyweird snuff flicks may be simulated, but the argument that this stuff desensitizes young minds and leads to real violence holds water here.
Like I said, I'm not a big champion of censorship, but when it comes to graphically pulling out someone's eyeball with a corkscrew or raping a grandmother with a chainsaw, I think there is no room for that stuff in anyone's home.
Besides, I watched plenty of horror films back in the 70's and 60's where violent acts were performed but simply not in such graphical, surgical detail. Directors used to be able to get a message of horror across without closeups of bloody, microscopic detail... |
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vue666
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said by capdjq  :If there was no market for these movies the Studios would not make them. Every one has a choice to watch or switch the dial. Personally I like horror movies, not the Saw 4 type, but the Exorcist genre. I agree. I love horror films like those by Stephen King but hate horror slasher movies... |
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vue666
join:2007-12-07 | reply to happylurk
Happylurk, although I do agree with the jest of your post...BUT...could not the same be said of first person shooters like Quake or Doom or Halo? |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Woodstock, ON
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said by happylurk :
The violence and mayhem in these Hollyweird snuff flicks may be simulated, but the argument that this stuff desensitizes young minds and leads to real violence holds water here. If these shows and games make someone want to go out and committ violence then they're already messed in the head to begin with. |
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Styvas
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| said by BryceS :said by happylurk :
The violence and mayhem in these Hollyweird snuff flicks may be simulated, but the argument that this stuff desensitizes young minds and leads to real violence holds water here. If these shows and games make someone want to go out and committ violence then they're already messed in the head to begin with. I don't think I disagree with you, but I would ask if there is any public standard of decency (general public, not some specific religious standard) that ought to be applied.
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BryceS
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| said by Styvas :said by BryceS :said by happylurk :
The violence and mayhem in these Hollyweird snuff flicks may be simulated, but the argument that this stuff desensitizes young minds and leads to real violence holds water here. If these shows and games make someone want to go out and committ violence then they're already messed in the head to begin with. I don't think I disagree with you, but I would ask if there is any public standard of decency (general public, not some specific religious standard) that ought to be applied. Film Ratings, »www.ofrb.gov.on.ca (Ontario). |
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May 13th, @05:44PM
| I guess I'm thinking more of the fact that they're shown in mainstream theatres, not so much that they're allowed to be made. For example, hard-core porn is most certainly legal, but it's not screened alongside other films. Why should the slasher variety of horror film get different treatment than hard-core porn?
[Edit: I suppose the difference is that with porn people are actually having sex, whereas the horror scenes are fake.]
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mordin
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There's going for the easy money. They aren't making 'horror' movies anymore they are just trying to out-gross the last movie(and I don't mean a the box office). I've only seen the original The Hills Have Eyes and 1/2 watched Hostel on the movie channel since there was nothing else on. I'd rather watch something that will make me think like Pan's Labyrinth or The Orphanage. There is some good stuff out there in both independent and foreign films.
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Woodstock, ON | reply to yoyomhz
What about the new "thriller" called Midnight Meat Train. All I can think of is a penis on wheels going around killing people. |
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happylurk
@look.ca
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said by BryceS :said by happylurk :
The violence and mayhem in these Hollyweird snuff flicks may be simulated, but the argument that this stuff desensitizes young minds and leads to real violence holds water here. If these shows and games make someone want to go out and committ violence then they're already messed in the head to begin with. How do you think the average 13-15 year old reacts when seeing this stuff. It doesn't matter if it has an 18A rating when a tall kid can just bluff his way into a theater or watch it when it hits the movie networks at home.
The movie networks show cheezy porn after midnight and that stuff is a long way from hardcore.
But this snuff type garbage gets shown back to back with romantic comedies and adventure flicks and comic book adaptations on the movie networks at all times of the day.
The only reason I was able to rattle off the three titles I did was because they have all screened on the movie networks in the past year or so. This is stuff I would never pay good money to see, but sooner or later it makes its way uncut to the movie networks on weekday afternoons.
As for parents policing what their children can watch? You and I both know that's a lost cause. Far too many parents simply plop their kids in front of the TV and use it as a babysitter. Exactly how messed up do you think a 10 or 12 year old would be after sitting thru even 20 minutes of Hostel?
Believe it or not, most kids aren't born messed up. Childhood traumas they can't even remember often cause them to turn into raging sociopaths in later years and movies like these simply feed the fire... |
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yoyomhz
join:2003-02-15
Beverly Hills, CA
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May 14th, @07:59AM
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Re: Why does Hollywood Movie producers want to degrade society?
said by BryceS :If these shows and games make someone want to go out and committ violence then they're already messed in the head to begin with. #1 - Big corporations spend $10 billion each year on advertising, because they are 100% sure they can alter human behavour.
they can alter human behavour.
#2 - Even if the sh_it on tv and movies doesn't make someone go out and commit murder, there is still an emotional effect on people - ESPECIALLY CHILDREN. The Surgeon General's studies have shown that television violence increases actual violence and acceptance of violence in children. In return for a little bit of 'entertainment' we are allowing the bastards who control the ten biggest media corporations, to not only extract money from us, but alter the way we think.
The BIG TEN media corporations with dominant power in society are Time Warner, Disney, Viacom, News Corporation Limited (Murdoch), Sony, Tele-Communications, Inc., Seagram (TV, movies, cable, books, music), Westinghouse, Gannett, and General Electric.
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May 14th, @10:31AM
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I hate slasher flicks, I can't even stand the ads. However, quit treating Hollywood as one entity. Hollywood makes all sorts of movies. They made "To Kill a Mockingbird" and they also made those despicable cowboys and Indians movies. (I'd never seen the latter until a couple of months ago and was absolutely disgusted. I can't believe that it's acceptable to say that you like those!) |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Woodstock, ON
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said by happylurk :said by BryceS :said by happylurk :
The violence and mayhem in these Hollyweird snuff flicks may be simulated, but the argument that this stuff desensitizes young minds and leads to real violence holds water here. If these shows and games make someone want to go out and committ violence then they're already messed in the head to begin with. How do you think the average 13-15 year old reacts when seeing this stuff. It doesn't matter if it has an 18A rating when a tall kid can just bluff his way into a theater or watch it when it hits the movie networks at home. The movie networks show cheezy porn after midnight and that stuff is a long way from hardcore. But this snuff type garbage gets shown back to back with romantic comedies and adventure flicks and comic book adaptations on the movie networks at all times of the day. The only reason I was able to rattle off the three titles I did was because they have all screened on the movie networks in the past year or so. This is stuff I would never pay good money to see, but sooner or later it makes its way uncut to the movie networks on weekday afternoons. As for parents policing what their children can watch? You and I both know that's a lost cause. Far too many parents simply plop their kids in front of the TV and use it as a babysitter. Exactly how messed up do you think a 10 or 12 year old would be after sitting thru even 20 minutes of Hostel? Believe it or not, most kids aren't born messed up. Childhood traumas they can't even remember often cause them to turn into raging sociopaths in later years and movies like these simply feed the fire... They're probably scared as shit due to the point of the movies.
I spent 3/4 of Saw IV with my ballcap covering my face.
Never did hear the end of it though.
Pretty decent storyline with the Saw series though. |
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