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burris
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DSL Info Needed..

After yesterday's 2nd major all day crash in the last month, I am ready to leave Comcast HSI.

I have a third party VOIP so I only need dry loop DSL service.
It is my understanding, in Florida, that the loop simply adds $5 to the cost of the service choice.

**If I start with 3Mb down and find that I want to up it to 6Mb down the road, is there a penalty or is the charge just increased?

**I now use a wireless router that has my cable modem as well as my lan running through it. Not a problem. Do I have a choice of either the wireless modem or is this not important down the road? Does the router version generally cost more? What model modem am I likely to receive? Is there a choice of one that performs better than another?

**I read about perhaps ordering some sort of basic local line with limited calling functions, for a little more than the $5 dry loop surcharge. Is this worth it and what does it do?

Any input will be appreciated..


ropeguru
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May 13th, @03:18PM

Dry loop actually adds $15 to the price, but they have been giving a $10 discount each month. I think you are looking for bundle 97 which is the dry loop with $10 discount. I tried doing a quick search in the forum that had all the bundles listed when the dry loop first came out but couldn't find it.

Should not be a penalty for upgrading.

I would say let them send you whatever modem they are sending now doays and just put it into bridged mode and let your router get the internet ip address and do all the PPPoE login. I would also suggest , just because you can and it is no extra cost on 3Mb and above, get the option for a static IP (really still dynamic and assigned when your router logs in but you always get the same one).

As far as a basic line you will pay a lot more after all the fees and taxes. I have a basic line which costs aroun $13 or $16 but after the fees and taxes it is more like $25. With the dry loop there are no other fees or taxes added to the price.

EDIT: Found it »photos.onebluepoint.net/NewBundles.JPG

Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY
·AT&T Southeast

reply to burris
FastAccess DSL without a voice line is available at several speeds and price plans for qualifying customers.

Call 1-800-626-9149 to order.

FastAccess DSL Direct 768K: $19.95 per month
FastAccess DSL Direct 1.5M: $37.95 per month
FastAccess DSL Direct 3.0M: $42.95 per month
FastAccess DSL Direct 6.0M: $47.95 per month

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If you don't want to go the Dry DSL route.

»bellsouth.com/consumer/inetsrvcs/index.html

Special Offers:

$50 cash back with qualifying services.

An extra $125 cash back after rebate when you switch from cable Internet.

Read all the details on the site because they have some good deals if you bundle services.


burris
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Thanks to you all. Been away from DSL for quite a while and didn't know what was out there. I think I was one of the first to sign up for DSL in Miami in 2000. Was very funky then, as with all new products.

I don't need the basic line with all the (I had forgotten) taxes.

I have 6 down with Comcast, but when the node gets busy, it does crawl a bit.

Thanks again....



burris
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reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru See Profile :

Dry loop actually adds $15 to the price, but they have been giving a $10 discount each month. I think you are looking for bundle 97 which is the dry loop with $10 discount. I tried doing a quick search in the forum that had all the bundles listed when the dry loop first came out but couldn't find it.

Should not be a penalty for upgrading.

I would say let them send you whatever modem they are sending now doays and just put it into bridged mode and let your router get the internet ip address and do all the PPPoE login. I would also suggest , just because you can and it is no extra cost on 3Mb and above, get the option for a static IP (really still dynamic and assigned when your router logs in but you always get the same one).

As far as a basic line you will pay a lot more after all the fees and taxes. I have a basic line which costs aroun $13 or $16 but after the fees and taxes it is more like $25. With the dry loop there are no other fees or taxes added to the price.

EDIT: Found it »photos.onebluepoint.net/NewBundles.JPG

Are you suggesting that I let my wireless router do the PPPoE as a third party rather than using the built in client on the modem? My router does have that capability.

Does this make the connectivity more solid?

Thanks....

burris


ropeguru
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Just takes one more thing out of the loop to cause issues. There are people that say using the modem with an internal addressing scheme then adding the wireless router, giving out a different internal address, can cause problems. There are others that swear it doesn't cause issues. Personally, I like taking unneeded things out of the loop.

The only down side is that you will not be able to access the stats page of the modem while in bridged mode. Well, not easily anyway.


burris
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said by ropeguru See Profile :

Just takes one more thing out of the loop to cause issues. There are people that say using the modem with an internal addressing scheme then adding the wireless router, giving out a different internal address, can cause problems. There are others that swear it doesn't cause issues. Personally, I like taking unneeded things out of the loop.

The only down side is that you will not be able to access the stats page of the modem while in bridged mode. Well, not easily anyway.
Thanks...

If you do have a workaround for this, please IM me. I always like to look at stats...


ropeguru
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I believe there is and am sure someone in the know will chime in and tell us.


burris
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reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru See Profile :

Just takes one more thing out of the loop to cause issues. There are people that say using the modem with an internal addressing scheme then adding the wireless router, giving out a different internal address, can cause problems. There are others that swear it doesn't cause issues. Personally, I like taking unneeded things out of the loop.

The only down side is that you will not be able to access the stats page of the modem while in bridged mode. Well, not easily anyway.
Hi, Again...

I placed my order and they are sending me the Motorola 2210.

I will most likely go the route you suggested with the bridged mode, but wondering if hooking it up to a gigabit ethernet switch would provide access to the modem stats without causing other conflicts?

Thanks....

FAQFixer
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Powder Springs, GA

said by burris See Profile :

said by ropeguru See Profile :

Just takes one more thing out of the loop to cause issues. There are people that say using the modem with an internal addressing scheme then adding the wireless router, giving out a different internal address, can cause problems. There are others that swear it doesn't cause issues. Personally, I like taking unneeded things out of the loop.

The only down side is that you will not be able to access the stats page of the modem while in bridged mode. Well, not easily anyway.
Hi, Again...

I placed my order and they are sending me the Motorola 2210.

I will most likely go the route you suggested with the bridged mode, but wondering if hooking it up to a gigabit ethernet switch would provide access to the modem stats without causing other conflicts?

Thanks....
Using a switch is one way to create a network and still have access to the modem.
»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ »How do I set up a Motorola 2210 to work with a hub or switch?

Airwolf7
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reply to burris
You already have a wireless router that you have been using with your Comcast HSI service so there is no need to waste money on additional networking equipment.

After you have properly configured your DSL modem and wireless router your wireless router will be in charge and doing all the work. Your DSL modem will be acting as a "Bridge Modem" and will only be modulating and demodulating the DSL signal. The only reason that you would need to check your modem's "DSL Statistics" page would be if you are having DSL synchronisation problems and need to troubleshoot these problems.

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Disconnect your wireless router from your computer and cable modem and set it aside for latter.

Follow the instructions provided with you DSL modem and installation kit to setup your DSL service and activate your account.

Make sure to write down and store in a safe place your FastAccess DSL login user name and password for future reference. You will be using this information latter while configuring your modem for "Bridged Ethernet" mode and configuring your wireless router for "PPPoE" mode. Your user name must be in the format of username@bellsouth.net and your password is case sensitive.

When you are finished with setting your FastAccess DSL service up you can check your modem's "DSL Statistics" page at the address below.


»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ »How do I access the 2210 line stats and event logs? What do the numbers mean?

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I have to go because I have been called out on a job.

You do not need to buy any equipment because you already have what you need for the job at hand.

Please check out the Motorola FAQ for more information about the Motorola Netopia 2210-02-1006.

»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ

What make, model, and version wireless router do you have?


burris
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said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

You already have a wireless router that you have been using with your Comcast HSI service so there is no need to waste money on additional networking equipment.

After you have properly configured your DSL modem and wireless router your wireless router will be in charge and doing all the work. Your DSL modem will be acting as a "Bridge Modem" and will only be modulating and demodulating the DSL signal. The only reason that you would need to check your modem's "DSL Statistics" page would be if you are having DSL synchronisation problems and need to troubleshoot these problems.

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Disconnect your wireless router from your computer and cable modem and set it aside for latter.

Follow the instructions provided with you DSL modem and installation kit to setup your DSL service and activate your account.

Make sure to write down and store in a safe place your FastAccess DSL login user name and password for future reference. You will be using this information latter while configuring your modem for "Bridged Ethernet" mode and configuring your wireless router for "PPPoE" mode. Your user name must be in the format of username@bellsouth.net and your password is case sensitive.

When you are finished with setting your FastAccess DSL service up you can check your modem's "DSL Statistics" page at the address below.


»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ »How do I access the 2210 line stats and event logs? What do the numbers mean?

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I have to go because I have been called out on a job.

You do not need to buy any equipment because you already have what you need for the job at hand.

Please check out the Motorola FAQ for more information about the Motorola Netopia 2210-02-1006.

»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ

What make, model, and version wireless router do you have?
USR MaxG USR5461..latest firmware 3.93.35.0.8 and it does have built in PPPoE.

Thanks..

Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY
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Burris, I helped some fellow with that same USR 5461 awhile back.

He did not have his own thread though and he replied to a problem within someones thread.

I'm going to see if I can hunt it up, but it may take me awhile.

I have been having all kinds of problems with my DSL and I might get knocked off-line, but I will come back to help you.

I have been on the phone with the Help Desk and DSG for an hour and a half working on my problems with no luck, but at least this time my DSL was messing up the whole time I was on the phone with them so they at least know I'm not crazy just making up problems.

I will be back later.


burris
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said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

Burris, I helped some fellow with that same USR 5461 awhile back.

He did not have his own thread though and he replied to a problem within someones thread.

I'm going to see if I can hunt it up, but it may take me awhile.

I have been having all kinds of problems with my DSL and I might get knocked off-line, but I will come back to help you.

I have been on the phone with the Help Desk and DSG for an hour and a half working on my problems with no luck, but at least this time my DSL was messing up the whole time I was on the phone with them so they at least know I'm not crazy just making up problems.

I will be back later.
Thanks....

Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY
·AT&T Southeast

reply to burris
Motorola Net···rnet.zip 300,394 bytes  
Click for full size
USR 5461 PPPoE mode.
I found that reply to that other guy with the USR 5461 but it won't be any help because his USR was pooped out.

I went to the USR Support site for your USR 5461 and loaded the simulator for it and it seems as if it will be real easy to set up for "PPPoE" mode.

I will post up a picture for you with the settings for FastAccess DSL on that USR 5461 router.

Here is the support site for your router.
»www.usr.com/support/product-temp···rod=5461

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You can use this generic FAQ below for your setup to give you the idea of how this is done.

I have some pictures to go with this FAQ for the Motorola 2210 "Bridged Ethernet" part and I will attach then in a Zip file.

»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ » How do I setup a Motorola 2210 modem with a generic third-party router?

You can use the USR 5461 picture with the generic router part of the FAQ.

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Maybe this can help you some.

I will straiten up this mess of replies and put everything in this reply so that it will make a little better sense later on tonight.


burris
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I really do thank you for all the effort you put forth..

I've been in the router and am familiar with the PPPoE settings even though I haven't used them with this particular box, but you presented a very clear picture.

I'm supposed to be connected next Wed and hopefully I will get the modem before then. My curiosity keeps wanting me have access to the modem. I suppose because with Comcast, I was able to show them the error of their ways and push them to make it work. Since I have some friends in the tech ops and tech director areas, I got special service.
By that. I mean that after the tech support for ordinary mortals finished reading their reboot and re-install OS scripts, I would call up one of my friends and they would send out a 'real' tech who would look at what I showed him and would get the field maintenance to correct the problems, not only for me, but for the entire complex on my feed.
I always knew what was going on in my area as my friends who depend on me for 'free' support with their PCs and internet, would call and complain to me, as Comcast didn't want to do too much.

Thanks again...and we will be in touch..
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