Corydon
Cultivant son jardin
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join:2008-02-18
Denver, CO
clubs:
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| Looking on the bright side...
At least the blow-up has had some good effects, even if the FCC has been revealed to be toothless.
1) Everybody seems to be buying into the idea of transparency, at least in theory. We may disagree with limits Comcast is considering for for their service, but (assuming Karl's source is accurate), at least they are out there for everyone to see.
In a truly free market that might even allow you to pick and choose your provider based on the plans offered 
2) The whole idea of forged TCP RST packets seems to have discredited, along with the idea of blocking (or "delaying") certain applications on the Internet. This was probably the first big fight in the net-neutrality war and the good guys appear to have won to a large extent.
Personally, I think the ultimate solution to the problem is opening up the ISP business as far as possible to competition. Long term, I'd like to see municipal FTTH service that allows any company that wants to sell their service over the fiber to do so.
Shorter term, I'd settle for Congress getting off it's behind and getting us local loop unbundling with the same for cable.
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
·Comcast
 ·Embarq
|   One solution would be to allow any utility (Water, Power, Gas) to provide data/voice transport services. Incentives could be given to install fiber during the installation of any new underground services. Any utility could then provide the last mile of access from a central peering point to customers homes or businesses. Any company providing voice, data or video services could use the facilities to transport their services. Once the delivery of voice data services becomes competitive the incumbents attitude may change. |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Cox VOIP
·ViaTalk
·RoadRunner Cable
·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·Time Warner VOIP
| Yeah but when muni's try to do that cable and telcos sue to stop it, lie to voters if it goes to a ballot, blackmail the towns (threatening to close call centers and fire everyone etc) or if that fails and the service is installed, resort to illegal predatory pricing practices to kill it. |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| reply to Mr Matt
said by Mr Matt  : One solution would be to allow any utility (Water, Power, Gas) to provide data/voice transport services. or sewer. »rocwiki.org/Sewer_Fiber_Optic_Network
»www.news.com/2100-1034_3-6064133.html
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Corydon
said by Corydon :Personally, I think the ultimate solution to the problem is opening up the ISP business as far as possible to competition. Long term, I'd like to see municipal FTTH service that allows any company that wants to sell their service over the fiber to do so. Shorter term, I'd settle for Congress getting off it's behind and getting us local loop unbundling with the same for cable. Support your indie ISP 
We need all the help we can get! |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | I did 'till they got gobbled up by Covad who quickly ran them into the ground.
The good indy ISPs end up getting bought up. |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR | reply to Mr Matt
It been tried it turns into an expensive fiasco. I do not want government to do a Hugo Chavez on my internet. |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather :I did 'till they got gobbled up by Covad who quickly ran them into the ground. The good indy ISPs end up getting bought up. That's true, had two in my area that sold out to Comcast (customer base basically) and ended up with service that cost 3X as much for about the same speed. Customers were not happy about this, some of them came to us at least |
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Corydon
Cultivant son jardin
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Denver, CO
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| reply to Richard B
said by Richard B :It been tried it turns into an expensive fiasco. I do not want government to do a Hugo Chavez on my internet. This is a problem. Experiments in this area have not been too encouraging. Municipalities simply do not have the expertise to do this.
On the other hand, the people who do have the expertise are the very same folks who have an incentive to keep competitors out of the arena: the ILECs and the MSOs.
Maybe what's needed is another '80s style telecom breakup, except this time, instead of separating Long Distance from Local Service Providers, we separate companies into one entity that provides and maintains the local loop or the cable infrastructure (and is regulated and provides the same service to everyone) and another entity that provides the cable TV, ISP, phone services, etc. and would be unregulated.
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
1 edit | reply to knightmb
Our here Covad Wireless has been gobbling up the good wireless ISPs. One, Nextweb, offered great business service at a good price but within months of the buy out service went down hill while both cutting speeds and raising prices. |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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Ugh, we don't want a shitty connection!   |
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | It would give a whole new meaning to "flushing the cache!" |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| said by funchords :It would give a whole new meaning to "flushing the cache!" It sure would  |
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port9
join:2006-07-15
Cordova, TN
| reply to knightmb
I love my local ISP becuase I dont have to deal with any of this stuff. I get x amount of bandwidth for x amount of cost. No cap, no throttle, just internet. They would never pull this crap that the big guys do.
The only reason I thought of changing was because they dont offer the higher spped that ATT does. and then i found out why..Att won't let them. Go figure. Better service and better price. Prolly shouldnt let them compete with the high speeds. |
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