Re: Looking on the bright side... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20495219 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:57:48 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:57:48 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496823 port9 : I love my local ISP becuase I dont have to deal with any of this stuff. I get x amount of bandwidth for x amount of cost. No cap, no throttle, just internet. They would never pull this crap that the big guys do.

The only reason I thought of changing was because they dont offer the higher spped that ATT does. and then i found out why..Att won't let them. Go figure. Better service and better price. Prolly shouldnt let them compete with the high speeds. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20496823 Sat, 17 May 2008 03:47:37 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495219 Cheese :
said by funchords See Profile :

It would give a whole new meaning to "flushing the cache!"
:D :D It sure would :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495219 Fri, 16 May 2008 19:32:46 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495114 funchords : It would give a whole new meaning to "flushing the cache!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20495114 Fri, 16 May 2008 19:14:35 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494457 Cheese :
said by funchords See Profile :

said by Mr Matt See Profile :

:) One solution would be to allow any utility (Water, Power, Gas) to provide data/voice transport services.
or sewer. »rocwiki.org/Sewer_Fiber_Optic_Network

»www.news.com/2100-1034_3-6064133.html
Ugh, we don't want a shitty connection! :o ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494457 Fri, 16 May 2008 17:02:30 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494410 Dogfather : Our here Covad Wireless has been gobbling up the good wireless ISPs. One, Nextweb, offered great business service at a good price but within months of the buy out service went down hill while both cutting speeds and raising prices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494410 Fri, 16 May 2008 16:54:55 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494359 Corydon :
said by Richard B See Profile :

It been tried it turns into an expensive fiasco. I do not want government to do a Hugo Chavez on my internet.
This is a problem. Experiments in this area have not been too encouraging. Municipalities simply do not have the expertise to do this.

On the other hand, the people who do have the expertise are the very same folks who have an incentive to keep competitors out of the arena: the ILECs and the MSOs.

Maybe what's needed is another '80s style telecom breakup, except this time, instead of separating Long Distance from Local Service Providers, we separate companies into one entity that provides and maintains the local loop or the cable infrastructure (and is regulated and provides the same service to everyone) and another entity that provides the cable TV, ISP, phone services, etc. and would be unregulated.
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

I did 'till they got gobbled up by Covad who quickly ran them into the ground.

The good indy ISPs end up getting bought up.
That's true, had two in my area that sold out to Comcast (customer base basically) and ended up with service that cost 3X as much for about the same speed. Customers were not happy about this, some of them came to us at least :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494313 Fri, 16 May 2008 16:40:36 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494158 Richard B : It been tried it turns into an expensive fiasco. I do not want government to do a Hugo Chavez on my internet. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494158 Fri, 16 May 2008 16:18:45 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494144 Dogfather : I did 'till they got gobbled up by Covad who quickly ran them into the ground.

The good indy ISPs end up getting bought up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494144 Fri, 16 May 2008 16:16:29 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494131 knightmb :
said by Corydon See Profile :

Personally, I think the ultimate solution to the problem is opening up the ISP business as far as possible to competition. Long term, I'd like to see municipal FTTH service that allows any company that wants to sell their service over the fiber to do so.

Shorter term, I'd settle for Congress getting off it's behind and getting us local loop unbundling with the same for cable.
Support your indie ISP :D
We need all the help we can get!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494131 Fri, 16 May 2008 16:12:13 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494070 funchords :
said by Mr Matt See Profile :

:) One solution would be to allow any utility (Water, Power, Gas) to provide data/voice transport services.
or sewer. »rocwiki.org/Sewer_Fiber_Optic_Network

»www.news.com/2100-1034_3-6064133.html
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494070 Fri, 16 May 2008 15:59:20 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494056 Dogfather : Yeah but when muni's try to do that cable and telcos sue to stop it, lie to voters if it goes to a ballot, blackmail the towns (threatening to close call centers and fire everyone etc) or if that fails and the service is installed, resort to illegal predatory pricing practices to kill it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494056 Fri, 16 May 2008 15:56:26 EDT Re: Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20493996 Mr Matt : :) One solution would be to allow any utility (Water, Power, Gas) to provide data/voice transport services. Incentives could be given to install fiber during the installation of any new underground services. Any utility could then provide the last mile of access from a central peering point to customers homes or businesses. Any company providing voice, data or video services could use the facilities to transport their services. Once the delivery of voice data services becomes competitive the incumbents attitude may change.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20493996 Fri, 16 May 2008 15:42:39 EDT Looking on the bright side... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20493802 Corydon : At least the blow-up has had some good effects, even if the FCC has been revealed to be toothless.

1) Everybody seems to be buying into the idea of transparency, at least in theory. We may disagree with limits Comcast is considering for for their service, but (assuming Karl's source is accurate), at least they are out there for everyone to see.

In a truly free market that might even allow you to pick and choose your provider based on the plans offered :huh:

2) The whole idea of forged TCP RST packets seems to have discredited, along with the idea of blocking (or "delaying") certain applications on the Internet. This was probably the first big fight in the net-neutrality war and the good guys appear to have won to a large extent.

Personally, I think the ultimate solution to the problem is opening up the ISP business as far as possible to competition. Long term, I'd like to see municipal FTTH service that allows any company that wants to sell their service over the fiber to do so.

Shorter term, I'd settle for Congress getting off it's behind and getting us local loop unbundling with the same for cable.
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