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Re: arrrgh mateys
said by basquiat  :Ah, TK misses the point again. See in Sweden, as in Canada, downloading music is not illegal, possibly unethical but not illegal. On top of that the Pirate Bay has zero content on its servers. Basically it provides links (like Google) and no real content. Check out » thepiratebay.org/legal for some amusing links to previous (failed) hollow legal threats. He usually does. |
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NeoandGeo
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Most Pirate Bay trackers are able to be seen directly from Google if you search for the name. |
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Re: T=Troll J=?
said by Noah Vail :As you NEVER meaningfully respond to rebuttals, you are, in effect, a troll. Going to respond to that point? I doubt it. NV TRoll - those with nothing to say except launch personal attacks. Look in miiror.
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Re: arrrgh mateys
said by K Patterson :Well, the legal threats are not hollow. It is only a matter of time before these guys end up in big trouble. Their ridiculous emails in response to takedown notices will end up in the court record. Now, I don't care for the RIAA and their approach in the US is a ludicrous abuse of the legal process, but it is their property and sooner or later folks who upload and download are going to pay for it. And once I buy a hardcopy of media it becomes MY Property, the **AAs have made their money and I have my Property, under fair use I CAN DO WHAT THE FUCK I WANT WITH IT..get it yet?? Don't you neo-cons find the irony yet that the FBI was SOOO busy chasing "media pirates" that the Twin towers were attcked and fell?? I find it pathetic actually
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K Patterson
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Columbus, OH | Perhaps you need to reread the "Fair Use" section of the copyright law.
As for your personal attack, you are not correct. |
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Sure, then Google/Yahoo also are next in line, you say?
If so, rock on.....
BTW, this has happened to TPB so many times, it's old news to us TPB fans. All I can say is YAWN!!!!! The MAFIAA can go fsck themselves, or rather, sodomize themselves with ' self-retracting batons' as TPB sez.
Now, in the other news today..... The sky is blue, and water is wet!!! Fascinating!
Have a good night... |
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said by karlmarx :Please point out the 'law abiding companies' you are so fond of supporting? He cannot because they are crooks. They are law abiding in the sense that they break hundreds of laws trying to prosecute someone else whose laws that they want to apply to them do not and they are angry at that.
TK Junk believes every damn law in the USA applies to ALL countries and his blind support towards the RIAA(probably hired by them to post here) make him a nice troll. He never provides supports for questions that are raised towards him. Instead he responds with another question, deviates from the topic, and/or ignores the post. |
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ksuderman
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Just because some people choose to break the law does not mean corporations can strangle my rights to do what is legal for me. Guns are used to commit crimes, as are cars, should both/either be made illegal because some people use them to commit crimes?
And actually, I was a little to conservative in my original claim; it appears any download of copyrighted material for personal use is not illegal in Canada...yet.
"Sharing copyrighted works on peer-to-peer networks is legal in Canada, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday, handing the record industry a sharp setback in its international fight against file swappers." [»www.news.com/2100-1027_3-5182641···=st_pop]
"Canadian courts have ruled that consumers have the right to copy any recording from the original copy even those they do not personally own. This consumer right has been extended by the courts to include peer-to-peer downloads." [»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_c···ght_law]
"Copyright violation is NOT a crime, unless in the pursuit of profit. It is and always has been a civil matter at the end user level. Of course, if you press 1000 DVD's with the motive to sell the work, that is in fact a crime.
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Simply read the FBI warning on ANY DVD word by word and you'll note the subtle distinction, as they cannot call it a criminal offense, and do not, because simple filesharing and personal violation of copyright is not a crime." [»www.edu-cyberpg.com/Music/musiclaw4.html]
Of course, the CRIA (Canada's version of the RIAA) is fighting hard to change the laws, and oddly the ones fighting against the CRIA... the musicians: "But the Canadian Music Creators Coalition, whose members include Sarah McLachlan, Sam Roberts and Avril Lavigne, has said it would not like to see a law that would lead to lawsuits against music fans." [»www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2007···aw.html]
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said by TKJunkMail :TRoll - those with nothing to say except launch personal attacks. Based on your post about Esme Vos and the personal attacks you launched against her, you also fit the definition of troll that you have posted here... |
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Re: arrrgh mateys
said by Hangmn :said by K Patterson :Well, the legal threats are not hollow. It is only a matter of time before these guys end up in big trouble. Their ridiculous emails in response to takedown notices will end up in the court record. Now, I don't care for the RIAA and their approach in the US is a ludicrous abuse of the legal process, but it is their property and sooner or later folks who upload and download are going to pay for it. And once I buy a hardcopy of media it becomes MY Property, the **AAs have made their money and I have my Property, under fair use I CAN DO WHAT THE FUCK I WANT WITH IT..get it yet?? Don't you neo-cons find the irony yet that the FBI was SOOO busy chasing "media pirates" that the Twin towers were attcked and fell?? I find it pathetic actually wow, p2p'ing dovetails into neocon conspiracy kook theories on wtc. i guess all that kool-aid really does help in bridging connections that were never there. hmmm... |
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said by TKJunkMail :And I hope the Pirate Bay loses. The owners are nothing but crooks who should be in prison. How can you be a crook when you don't commit any infringement? I guess you figure Yahoo, MSN, Google etc are all also crooks since they link people to infinging works?
Personally, I hope The Pirate Bay's legal team delivers a full broadside into 'em.
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2 edits | said by KrK :said by TKJunkMail :And I hope the Pirate Bay loses. The owners are nothing but crooks who should be in prison. How can you be a crook when you don't commit any infringement? I guess you figure Yahoo, MSN, Google etc are all also crooks since they link people to infringing works? Personally, I hope The Pirate Bay's legal team delivers a full broadside into 'em. It is the same as being a fence for stolen goods. The legal term is criminal facilitation.
And here is a new wrinkle which just came down from the Supreme Court today. And that is FREE SPEECH does not extend to invitations to illegal transations(read that copyright infringement). While this was aimed at child pornography, the SC decision puts limits on all speech inviting illegal actions. »news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080519/pl···nography
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How can you be a fence for stolen goods when...
1) No goods are stolen
2) You never handle or hold such goods
3) You're not paid money for such goods
IE No harm, no foul. TPB is a classic example of a Political Persecution. |
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serge666
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crooks??? what did the Pirate Bay steal? I'm at a loss here. o.O
....then again, if you tell a lie long enough......you know how that goes :/ |
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UncleDirtNap
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Perhaps they are crooks but in this case the people going after them are very bigger crooks in my book. These media companies are collecting huge sums of money by forcing people to by content they couldn't sell in a free market but can force people to pay for to get the stuff they want.
If Hollywood ever decided carried out their business in an ethical manner I might feel sorry for them but they don't so I hope TPB and others like them bleed the scum for every penny they can. |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by ksuderman :Canada is also a signatory of the same treaties and it is legal for people residing in Canada to make copies of the music they have purchased, including making copies from the internet. And you truly think that people are downloading copies of music they already own and not copies of music they don't own? Don't make me laugh. Yes! I know technically challenged people who find it easier to download their songs opposed to ripping their cd's in respect to bullshit drm and putting it on a mix cd for auto or onto a mp3 player. Ironic? |
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eugenegill
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»consumerist.com/368663/riaa-pock···nfringed
Oops, sorry! |
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james
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Re: T=Troll J=?
A troll has nothing to do with personal attacks, that's just called being a jerk. A troll is someone who makes off topic or controversial comments with the intention of gaining attention or causing conflict.
I have noticed that you never justify your opinions on copyright infringement, and that is likely the reason he (and many others) feel you are simply trolling. Perhaps you could explain why you feel copyright infringement is no different from stealing a physical object. And if you are unable to explain it, perhaps you should reconsider your opinion as being wrong. |
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Re: arrrgh mateys
For folks that are curious about why artists might be unhappy, here's a "Howstuffworks" article explaining how royalties are allocated.
»entertainment.howstuffworks.com/···ies7.htm
The RIAA has nothing to do with this process, fortunately, nor do they receive any of the proceeds from the lawsuits. They all go to the folks that are actually suing, the record companies. Of course, they are paying RIAA to prosecute the suits.
One hopes that the lawsuit mentioned in the eugenegill article goes forward because t might make public exactly how much has been taken in by the suits and where it went. |
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