en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
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Re: Fairshare hits users instead of protocols
Yup - this will be interesting
Throttle by user bandwidth for long periods of time may not be a good idea either.
Eg. I'm on a 3Mbps connection and I want to d/l Fedora Core DVD ISO as well as some other ISO's. A reset would just tick me off.
Why not look at the overall traffic crossing the node, and when its nearing capacity, throttle from the top usage down until its at a supportable level.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
| said by en102  :Yup - this will be interesting Throttle by user bandwidth for long periods of time may not be a good idea either. Eg. I'm on a 3Mbps connection and I want to d/l Fedora Core DVD ISO as well as some other ISO's. A reset would just tick me off. Why not look at the overall traffic crossing the node, and when its nearing capacity, throttle from the top usage down until its at a supportable level. I think we are saying the same thing. Throttle at the CMTS, but NOT with resets. Just change the profile so that the SPEED of the connection is lowered.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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I've got a 10 times better idea. Why don't ISPS, instead of looking for ways to salvage their outdated systems, look / invest in better technologies? For all the money they spend lobbying and dodging this responsibility, think of how much could have been accomplished. I'd be willing to give credit to a company who at least re-invests the 10s of millions spent lining politicians pockets and puts it to use on a step by step upgrade. In this respect, if said company redirected their efforts and upgraded towns one at a time, people would be far less critical. However, this seems not to be the case or their interest. Odds are, these same ISPS who are looking into these technologies, will be the same ones in ten years moaning how they were given an unfair deal to shareholders. To this I would reply, innovation and failing to keep up with growth will be the downfall of many companies to come. |
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TScheisskopf
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| You said the dirtiest word in the business lexicon: "invest".
It's only dirty in context. "Invest" is a great word if you are gonna plow some of your 401K money into their stocks, but start talking about infrastructure investment and Wall Street Analysts and stockholders retire to the fainting bench with a bad case of the vapors.
Of course, "investment" of company capital in lobbying Washington for more H1-B visas is acceptable, great and will make your sheets whiter and brighter. But ghod forbid you invest in your physical plant, thus creating jobs and (OH NOOoooo!) raising wages.
It's the new world of half-capitalism: their half, making lots of money, is just sublime. The other half, capital investment by business as an engine that drives the overall economy, creates jobs and "the rising tide that lifts all boats"? Well, we just cannot be having that. Somewhere, someone might slip into Caviar Deficiency Syndrome. Them guys spent a lot of money on their Ivory Caviar Spoons and come hell or high water, they are gonna use them. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Exaclty... the only way that companys will 'invest' or want to increase CAPEX is if they
a) Have to (i.e. competition is forcing them to) in which its an all out war (i.e. Cable vs. FiOS in many areas)
b) Have another revenue stream to tap into from CAPEX (in which cost can be recouped from new LOB/revenue stream eg. cable selling HSI + VoIP)
c) Legally required to (which passes cost to consumer)
(basically what you said above)... there are times when the economy is in the pits, where government will 'help' out these 'poor' companies to kick start the economy again.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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Read a few 10-K filings and you'll see that billions are being invested in infrastructure.
Cablevision: »yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/dis···8-013859
Capital expenditures for our businesses were $781.3 million, $885.8 million and $768.7 million, in 2007, 2006 and 2005, respectively, and primarily include payments for consumer premises equipment, such as new digital video cable boxes and modems, as well as infrastructure and capital expenditures related to our cable and Lightpath telecommunications networks Comcast: »yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/dis···8-034239
an increase in Cable segment capital expenditures of 41.2% to approximately $6.0 billion, primarily as a result of (i) the installation of advanced set-top boxes, modems and other equipment associated with the increase in subscribers to our digital video, high-speed Internet and digital phone services; (ii) network improvements to handle the growth in subscribers and to provide service improvements and enhancements Charter: »yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/dis···8-000004
Total capital expenditures for the years ended December 31, 2007, 2006, and 2005 were approximately $1.2 billion, $1.1 billion, and $1.1 billion, respectively. AT&T: »yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/dis···8-000012
$17,717[M] in construction and capital expenditures Verizon: »yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/dis···8-042027
We continue to make significant capital expenditures to meet the demand for communications services and to further improve such services. Capital spending for Wireline was $10,956 million in 2007, $10,259 million in 2006 and $8,267 million in 2005. Capital spending for Domestic Wireless was $6,503 million in 2007, $6,618 million in 2006 and $6,484 million in 2005. |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
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| In Telcos, AT&T spent $17 Bn and Verizon $10 Bn. Telcos aren't doing MITM attacks against their users who are simply using the bandwidth that they bought.
The top spender in Cable was Comcast with $6 Bn and the rest much less. The MSOs offer bigger packages than TelCos but then throttle, reset, kick and scream if you use it.
The data seems to be working against you.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by funchords :The data seems to be working against you. Not really. TScheisskopf implied that ISPs are only interested in plowing money into managements' bonuses and severance packages and not investing in their companies and infrastructure. I was merely pointing out that both telcos and cablecos are reinvesting billions into their infrastructure. |
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