Re: If only 5% generate 60% of the total traffic... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20506310 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:36:02 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:36:02 EDT Re: If only 5% generate 60% of the total traffic... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20515036 HoserMcMoose :
said by dynodb See Profile :

Yeah, yeah- I know. 'Just add more bandwidth' is always the standard reply here, but doing so is neither easy or cheap.
If they don't want to add the capacity then they should SELL that capacity.

If I were to buy a dozen eggs from you and paid full price for them, I would be pretty ticked off if you gave me only 8 eggs because you didn't have enough chickens to fill demand.

Bell is selling bandwidth to their wholesale ISPs at a fixed rate with NO provision in the contract to arbitrarily limit that bandwidth, but they are doing just that. They are in blatant violation of their contract and if the CAIP fails with their CRTC appeal they can probably win against Bell is contract court.

Unfortunately the latter would likely take 3+ years to go through :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20515036 Tue, 20 May 2008 22:30:03 EDT Re: If only 5% generate 60% of the total traffic... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20507444 mordin :
said by KrK See Profile :

It should fit because Bell should be trying to sell Bandwidth to the third parties. If they aren't, well, "They're doing it wrong" as the saying goes....
No because once a store sells an item that item it is gone & no longer available to anyone else. With Bell, while you use your connection others can use their connection.

Froggy, caps and congestion are 2 different things. Think of caps as how much you can get while congestion is related to how fast you can get it.
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Yeah, yeah- I know. 'Just add more bandwidth' is always the standard reply here, but doing so is neither easy or cheap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20507016 Mon, 19 May 2008 15:26:09 EDT Re: If only 5% generate 60% of the total traffic... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20506310 KrK :
said by mordin See Profile :

Your scenario doesn't fit since a store is trying to 'sell' it's merchandise.
It should fit because Bell should be trying to sell Bandwidth to the third parties. If they aren't, well, "They're doing it wrong" as the saying goes....
By the way stores sometimes do put limits on sales - ever see the line 'limit X per customer'?
Completely different reason.... That's because they are using the item in question as a "loss leader" IE often selling it at cost or below as an advertising point to bring people into the store. They slap the limit on to stop a rival or competitor from coming in any buying up all the items for below cost, causing them to lose money and then have no stock for the other customers who get angry. ALSO there's another main reason. Often in retail the manufacturer will rebate back to the store a certain amount of cash for units sold during a sale. The manufacturer or supplier will place the limit per person requirement on the rebate offer to prevent again one of their other customers from coming in and buying it all up cheaper from that store then they would have had to pay to get it from the distributor.

This type of thing is VERY common on cigarettes, Beer, Soda, etc

Bell is selling a service
Maybe they are selling a service to their end users... but to the third parties and commercial users they are selling a commodity pure and simple and charge by usage, not fixed rate via connection like as in the end user. So that argument is dismissed.
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said by KrK See Profile :

Imagine if someone walked into your store and wanted to buy 60% of your merchandise. Would you be like "NO.... we need to keep it in case some other people come in and want to buy it... Sale denied!"
Your scenario doesn't fit since a store is trying to 'sell' it's merchandise. In other words, they don't care who buys it as long as it's sold. By the way stores sometimes do put limits on sales - ever see the line 'limit X per customer'? Bell is selling a service and if some people are causing problems for others to use the service then something needs to be done. It's not as easy as flipping a switch and magically there's loads of bandwidth. In a lot of cases the network can't handle the bandwidth and needs to up upgraded.
Again these upgrades can't be done over night.
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said by KrK See Profile :

said by jsmaster See Profile :

Bell Says that your internet line is dedicated and not shared. So how 5% users could generate 60% of the traffic?????
I have one better for you: Bell is throttling THIRD party ISP's WHO PAY BELL FOR THE BANDWIDTH. So even if 5% generates 60% of the traffic... BELL IS BEING PAID FOR IT.... so if they did have a problem (they don't) they should simply build more capacity because they are making money off of all of it!

Imagine if someone walked into your store and wanted to buy 60% of your merchandise. Would you be like "NO.... we need to keep it in case some other people come in and want to buy it... Sale denied!"

OR... Would you order more merchandise to cover the purchase?

'Nuff said methinks.
Lol if a customer comes to my store to buy 60% of my stuff right away, I hink I'll give him a little extra lol.

But youre right about it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20506096 Mon, 19 May 2008 12:19:32 EDT Re: If only 5% generate 60% of the total traffic... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20506035 KrK :
said by jsmaster See Profile :

Bell Says that your internet line is dedicated and not shared. So how 5% users could generate 60% of the traffic?????
I have one better for you: Bell is throttling THIRD party ISP's WHO PAY BELL FOR THE BANDWIDTH. So even if 5% generates 60% of the traffic... BELL IS BEING PAID FOR IT.... so if they did have a problem (they don't) they should simply build more capacity because they are making money off of all of it!

Imagine if someone walked into your store and wanted to buy 60% of your merchandise. Would you be like "NO.... we need to keep it in case some other people come in and want to buy it... Sale denied!"

OR... Would you order more merchandise to cover the purchase?

'Nuff said methinks.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20506035 Mon, 19 May 2008 12:07:40 EDT Re: If only 5% generate 60% of the total traffic... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505721 Dogfather : But my understanding is there is more total throughput available to the DSLAM than equivalent channel capacity to a node, meaning that it's harder for a few users to hammer an entire DSLAM while a few users can saturate cable upstream channels. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505721 Mon, 19 May 2008 10:55:57 EDT Re: If only 5% generate 60% of the total traffic... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505570 reelbigfish : It is dedicated up to the DSLAM at which point it is aggregated and from then on out the bandwidth is shared. It is the nature of the internet, somewhere you have to share bandwidth. With cable it is at the node, DSL at the DSLAM.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505570 Mon, 19 May 2008 10:19:44 EDT If only 5% generate 60% of the total traffic... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505385 jsmaster : ''Bell Canada states that 5% of users were generating 60% of total traffic and 60% of that traffic was P2P traffic and Bell concludes that 95% of Bell subscribers were being negatively impacted. Provide full rationale and evidence in support of Bell Canada 's view that 95% of its customers were being negatively affected.''

Bell Says that your internet line is dedicated and not shared. So how 5% users could generate 60% of the traffic?????

If a line is dedicated, so the bandwith for this 5% should represent 5% of the total traffic no ?

So in their advertising they tell lies to customers.
Even more when they say " always fast, never shared"

I don't work with Bell anymore and I'm happy about this. I will not be forced to tell lies to customers.

I was with bell for the internet and I'm about to make a formal complaint for lie in advertising. My internet was always down and OO god. ButI'll stay on topic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505385 Mon, 19 May 2008 09:38:14 EDT