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said by Dogfather  :said by Matt :You described California. Move. Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful interstate system and a great power grid with no rolling blackouts. Wait till the illegals show up by the millions like they did here and clog your roads, ruin your schools and close your hospitals. Nothing does quiet so well for a society than to import poverty by the unchecked millions. said by Dogfather :said by Matt :You described California. Move. Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful interstate system and a great power grid with no rolling blackouts. Wait till the illegals show up by the millions like they did here and clog your roads, ruin your schools and close your hospitals. Nothing does quiet so well for a society than to import poverty by the unchecked millions. So there was no traffic, school weren't overcrowded and hospitals were in top shape in Cali until the illegals showed up? Maybe you exagerating just a tad?
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Short of armed revolution, there is NOTHING to be done.
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said by TKJunkMail :And it isn't YOUR country too? So what is YOUR country? Relax TK... inevitably there may come a time when the above poster is proud of his country for the very first time. 
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No exageration. California used to have best (or near the very best) public schools, the best hospitals and absolutely THE best highway system in the nation. Not any more. Hospitals are being crushed by illegals getting services that they can't pay for (and the gov't doesn't reimburse enough for), the schools can't handle the influx of non-English speakers who are already behind in education, and the increase in non-legal population (since the legal population has actually decreased) has taxed all aspects of infrastructure, whether it's electricity, water, highways, hospitals, prisons, or anything else).
I know it's hard for people living outside of Southern California to visualize or believe the problem could be this bad, but you just have to have lived here for the last 40 years to see how it has changed for the worse.
The statistics about there being 75,000 less K-12 students but spending $11 billion more and that LA county saw a $300 million shortfall for hospitals (resulting in closures of hospitals and 4 hours waits for the ERs) can get taxing, but that is the direct result of unchecked illegal immigration.
Plus illegal immigration drives down wages for legal immigrants and other lower skilled jobs. For example it used to be in California that being a carpender or in other construction trades meant great pay and benefits but not any more.
It's a mess and getting worse and despite record gov't revenues, we face another $14 billion deficit this year. |
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said by kapil :said by EPS :Ah, yes, the interstate highway system- how's about that Big Dig (Interstate 93 through downtown Boston)? And that maintainance is going so well... And the power grid, where one failure in northern New York can mean failure in the entire Northeast- a sparkling success there. All of that because "small government" morons for the last 30 years haven't invested in infrastructure. I've never understood how the "no taxes" crowd sells that as a logical argument to anyone with post-secondary education. What does the size of the government have to with maintance. There aren't even related. Plus most of the grid is private, purposefully so it will be invested in.
the "no taxes" crowd understands that the more the government gets the less it spends on the people. See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. If you like taxes ,Sweden pays about 60% of there income to the government, i am sure its paradise.
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said by Dogfather :Short of armed revolution, there is NOTHING to be done. Whether it's Democrats or Republicans, both are equally corrupt and inept. Yeah. Everyone is out to get you...each man for himself. Get the guns! 
Maybe you shouldn't vote after all.
Yes, things are pretty bad. But things were once very good. We can make them that way again...we just have to stop being selfish and work for the common good and for the good of the country. No armed revolution required...this isn't the 1800's.
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4 edits | It's not paranoia when it is true.
The gov't, at least here in California is absolutely gunning for the taxpayers. They're looking to raid even more highway funds, raise sales taxes to 9.25% (in LA county) and borrow from future lottery revenues. This despite already being one of the highest taxed states in the nation and 47th for business climate.
But with Obama, the rest of the nation will get a taste of Sacramento style gov't.
Things were good during the 90's when Congress controlled spending. But Republicans have become spend happy whores and the Democratic Congress has turned out to be no better.
Things can be good again, all we have to do is stop being selfish expecting other people and the gov't to pay our way. |
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said by DaveNJ :See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. Actually, those are two of the better managed and efficient government programs with much less waste than would be expected of any program that size.
The problem with both programs is that, again, the "no taxes" idiots have refused to fund the progams at levels need to sustain them and keep them viable for future generations.
All while the 30 years of conservative government has raided the trust fund to make up for its inept policies and revenue shortfall.
Can we say burning the candle at both ends? You take the money that's already there and refuse to fund it as needed...and then point at it as an example of bad governance. |
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Laguna Hills, CA | The no-taxes idiots have funded the gov't to RECORD revenues.
The raise-taxes idiots just waste it faster than it comes in. |
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kapil
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30 years of withholding funding for programs and priorities that desperately need it. It's only going to get worse. Either we fix the bridges now, or we build brand new ones when they collapse, while also setting legal claims from those who get hurt. Not to mention, look like fools in front of the entire world.
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said by Dogfather :The no-taxes idiots have funded the gov't to RECORD revenues. The raise-taxes idiots just waste it faster than it comes in. That's actually not true. From record surplus to record deficit and debt....on whose watch?
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4 edits | You say it's not true? »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595849/
Who wasted the money? Depends.
California = Democrats.
Federal = Republicans, and now Democrats...both love to waste money
Doesn't change the fact that both California and the Federal gov't are seeing record HIGH revenues.
They're just eating it up with record high spending.
Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. |
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said by kapil :said by DaveNJ :See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. Actually, those are two of the better managed and efficient government programs with much less waste than would be expected of any program that size. The problem with both programs is that, again, the "no taxes" idiots have refused to fund the progams at levels need to sustain them and keep them viable for future generations. All while the 30 years of conservative government has raided the trust fund to make up for its inept policies and revenue shortfall. Can we say burning the candle at both ends? You take the money that's already there and refuse to fund it as needed...and then point at it as an example of bad governance. Do us all a favor...don't reproduce. No... the government borrowed money from SS, and use it elsewhere, hence the "lock box". So the current Gen X, Y will be funding the largest amount of retired people ever. So the government never SAVED those funds, and used them for something else. Did you noticed what happened since Congress is now Liberal ruled, Gas prices rose, and house fallout. All because of liberal policy. Where the 30 yrs of conservative leadership is coming from i dont know. I guess there has never been a liberal in government.
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said by Dogfather :Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. The government has a WAR problem.
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The gov't (both Cali and the Fed) is bloated and corrupt and it's not wrong or selfish for taxpayers like me to protest having the gov't take even more for this broken system.
Fix the system BEFORE demanding taxpayers pay even more. |
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said by kapil :said by Dogfather :Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. The government has a WAR problem. Really? How much did Sacramento spend on the war? |
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said by kapil :said by Dogfather :Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. The government has a WAR problem. The war cost less then alot of wasteful liberals programs. Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity.
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said by DaveNJ :[Did you noticed what happened since Congress is now Liberal ruled, Gas prices rose, and house fallout. All because of liberal policy. Where the 30 yrs of conservative leadership is coming from i dont know. I guess there has never been a liberal in government. LOL. Nice try. The gas prices are the result of not having a coherent energy policy through successive administrations...both Democratic and Republican. At least one of the parties *tries* to do something about it other than drilling more holes looking for oil.
The "house fallout" was due to a hands-off free-market-trumps-all style of governance practiced by the current President.
Had we regulated banks and industry instead of choking the regulatory authority vested in the various agencies we'd be much better off today.
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2 edits | No it's not.
Gas prices are result of green policies stopping domestic exploration and forcing us to rely on foreign sources of oil.
Domestic production is down 45% from the 1980's.
And while countries like France have built nuclear powerplants for plentiful clean-air energy Congress and every administration for the last 2 decades have sat on their hands bowing to the environmental wacko left.
And the housing problem is caused by people buying more house than they could afford as much as banks gambling by loaning them the money. |
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kapil
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said by DaveNJ : Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity. No, Detroit's problem is rooted in our utter fascination with unfettered "free trade" and successive city administrations that have been utterly corrupt.
Not all problems fit the liberal-conservative mold. However, IMHO the conservatives don't know how to govern, but that doesn't mean the Democrats are blame-free. Plenty of blame to go around for all.
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