Dogfather
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| Re: Bingo. said by Dogfather  :Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are. Ironic statement, considering your avatar.  | |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Bingo. A fat lazy government worker serving only to Provoke and Annoy? More iconic of government, not ironic. | |
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kapil
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| Re: Bingo. said by Dogfather :A fat lazy government worker serving only to Provoke and Annoy? More iconic of government, not ironic. I'd be inclined to say that the proverbial lazy government worker is more a cross section and symbol of American society at large, which has become too fat and lazy for its own good rather than, oh you know, being iconic of Government.
It's high time we heed the wake-up call and finally address big national problems we've been sweeping under the rugs and blaming on darkies and immigrants for entirely too long.
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Arlington, VA | Re: Bingo. And this helps broadband penetration how?
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| Re: Bingo. Ah, yes, the interstate highway system- how's about that Big Dig (Interstate 93 through downtown Boston)? And that maintainance is going so well...
And the power grid, where one failure in northern New York can mean failure in the entire Northeast- a sparkling success there. | |
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| Re: Bingo. said by EPS :Ah, yes, the interstate highway system- how's about that Big Dig (Interstate 93 through downtown Boston)? And that maintainance is going so well... And the power grid, where one failure in northern New York can mean failure in the entire Northeast- a sparkling success there. All of that because "small government" morons for the last 30 years haven't invested in infrastructure.
Foresight and good governance got us started, just like the founding fathers gave us the constitution as a framework for a democracy....it's our job to continue on that path.
So build a national highway system...and 50 years later when it needs maintenance and replacement, deny the funding and point to it as an example of how bad government programs are? I've never understood how the "no taxes" crowd sells that as a logical argument to anyone with post-secondary education.
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| Re: Bingo. There is no "they". It's US! It's our country and our government. When we decide it's time to stop being lazy and participate in government is when this will all turn around.
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| Re: Bingo. said by Dogfather :Not my government. It's Exxon's gov't. It's gov't by the dollar and for the dollar. Not everything is someone else's fault. Grow up and take responsibility. It's precisely this I-didn't-do-it attitude that has allowed these incompetent dimwits to become in charge and sell your country off in pieces to Exxon and Halliburton.
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| Re: Bingo. said by kapil :said by Dogfather :Not my government. It's Exxon's gov't. It's gov't by the dollar and for the dollar. Not everything is someone else's fault. Grow up and take responsibility. It's precisely this I-didn't-do-it attitude that has allowed these incompetent dimwits to become in charge and sell your country off in pieces to Exxon and Halliburton. And it isn't YOUR country too? So what is YOUR country?
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| Re: Bingo. said by TKJunkMail :And it isn't YOUR country too? So what is YOUR country? Relax TK... inevitably there may come a time when the above poster is proud of his country for the very first time.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | Short of armed revolution, there is NOTHING to be done.
Whether it's Democrats or Republicans, both are equally corrupt and inept. | |
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| Re: Bingo. said by Dogfather :Short of armed revolution, there is NOTHING to be done. Whether it's Democrats or Republicans, both are equally corrupt and inept. Yeah. Everyone is out to get you...each man for himself. Get the guns!
Maybe you shouldn't vote after all.
Yes, things are pretty bad. But things were once very good. We can make them that way again...we just have to stop being selfish and work for the common good and for the good of the country. No armed revolution required...this isn't the 1800's.
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| Re: Bingo. 30 years of withholding funding for programs and priorities that desperately need it. It's only going to get worse. Either we fix the bridges now, or we build brand new ones when they collapse, while also setting legal claims from those who get hurt. Not to mention, look like fools in front of the entire world.
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Bingo. Withholding spending? Other than Clinton's cuts to the military, what government program has been cut in the last 20 years? I see a ridiculous rate of growth of government, more waste, and more doing the same thing while expecting different results. | |
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California must be providing conditions for you to suceed, if you can afford to live in a place like that. | |
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Dogfather
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4 edits | Re: Bingo. "California" isn't providing anything. I have what I have because I earned it in spite of, not because of, Sacramento.
If California were providing the conditions, everyone would be living in Nellie Gail. | |
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| said by Dogfather :Short of armed revolution, there is NOTHING to be done. Whether it's Democrats or Republicans, both are equally corrupt and inept. Totally agree. The above could have been my words. Too bad we're in such a small minority.. The rest believe the fairytales that the Disney news networks provide (which the BBC regards as "Entertainment news").
Real fact is, we're on the cusp of a major catastrophe. The banks were forced to lend money to those ineligable for such loans, the results of which is now coming to public view, the dollar is defrauded by the Fed, international markts are considering reducing the US's AAA credit rating to sub-prime, which means we may stop being the center of the world market, and also means import prices go up, while jobs leave the country.
The prison industry is the real winner here, because the government will impose more Draconian laws after the election and crime will soar as people start to go hungry. Oil is reported to be headed toward $200bbl in 2009, and there is no relief in site. We are headed to MAJOR economic crisis, the likes of which have not been seen for 50 years.
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Hingham, MA | The Big Dig (or to use its legal name, Central Artery/Tunnel) is hardly an example of government projects not getting enough funds... $15 billion not enough for you? | |
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| said by kapil :said by EPS :Ah, yes, the interstate highway system- how's about that Big Dig (Interstate 93 through downtown Boston)? And that maintainance is going so well... And the power grid, where one failure in northern New York can mean failure in the entire Northeast- a sparkling success there. All of that because "small government" morons for the last 30 years haven't invested in infrastructure. I've never understood how the "no taxes" crowd sells that as a logical argument to anyone with post-secondary education. What does the size of the government have to with maintance. There aren't even related. Plus most of the grid is private, purposefully so it will be invested in.
the "no taxes" crowd understands that the more the government gets the less it spends on the people. See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. If you like taxes ,Sweden pays about 60% of there income to the government, i am sure its paradise.
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1 edit | Re: Bingo. said by DaveNJ :See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. Actually, those are two of the better managed and efficient government programs with much less waste than would be expected of any program that size.
The problem with both programs is that, again, the "no taxes" idiots have refused to fund the progams at levels need to sustain them and keep them viable for future generations.
All while the 30 years of conservative government has raided the trust fund to make up for its inept policies and revenue shortfall.
Can we say burning the candle at both ends? You take the money that's already there and refuse to fund it as needed...and then point at it as an example of bad governance. | |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Bingo. The no-taxes idiots have funded the gov't to RECORD revenues.
The raise-taxes idiots just waste it faster than it comes in. | |
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| Re: Bingo. said by Dogfather :The no-taxes idiots have funded the gov't to RECORD revenues. The raise-taxes idiots just waste it faster than it comes in. That's actually not true. From record surplus to record deficit and debt....on whose watch?
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| Re: Bingo. said by Dogfather :Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. The government has a WAR problem.
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| Re: Bingo. said by DaveNJ : Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity. No, Detroit's problem is rooted in our utter fascination with unfettered "free trade" and successive city administrations that have been utterly corrupt.
Not all problems fit the liberal-conservative mold. However, IMHO the conservatives don't know how to govern, but that doesn't mean the Democrats are blame-free. Plenty of blame to go around for all.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | The gov't (both Cali and the Fed) is bloated and corrupt and it's not wrong or selfish for taxpayers like me to protest having the gov't take even more for this broken system.
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1 edit | said by kapil :said by DaveNJ :See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. Actually, those are two of the better managed and efficient government programs with much less waste than would be expected of any program that size. The problem with both programs is that, again, the "no taxes" idiots have refused to fund the progams at levels need to sustain them and keep them viable for future generations. All while the 30 years of conservative government has raided the trust fund to make up for its inept policies and revenue shortfall. Can we say burning the candle at both ends? You take the money that's already there and refuse to fund it as needed...and then point at it as an example of bad governance. Do us all a favor...don't reproduce. No... the government borrowed money from SS, and use it elsewhere, hence the "lock box". So the current Gen X, Y will be funding the largest amount of retired people ever. So the government never SAVED those funds, and used them for something else. Did you noticed what happened since Congress is now Liberal ruled, Gas prices rose, and house fallout. All because of liberal policy. Where the 30 yrs of conservative leadership is coming from i dont know. I guess there has never been a liberal in government.
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| Re: Bingo. said by Dogfather :said by Matt :said by Dogfather :Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are. Like the interstate highway system? Or the national power grid? I'd even go so far as to say the POTS system since the government stepped in a regulated the level of service. Yeah, the Federal highways are ashambles and clogged shut with traffic despite taxpayers paying COUNTLESS billions in road taxes and fees that just end up being stolen for bullcrap welfare programs. The power grids? At least out here they were originally built by the power companies and are now managed by CalISO and other gov't mandated ISOs that give us our wonderful rolling blackouts. POTS? Paid for by the telcos and is overpriced thanks in no small part to the wonderful taxes and fees subs are forced to pay on it. You described California. Move.
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| Re: Bingo. said by Dogfather :said by Matt :You described California. Move. Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful interstate system and a great power grid with no rolling blackouts. Wait till the illegals show up by the millions like they did here and clog your roads, ruin your schools and close your hospitals. Nothing does quiet so well for a society than to import poverty by the unchecked millions. said by Dogfather :said by Matt :You described California. Move. Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful interstate system and a great power grid with no rolling blackouts. Wait till the illegals show up by the millions like they did here and clog your roads, ruin your schools and close your hospitals. Nothing does quiet so well for a society than to import poverty by the unchecked millions. So there was no traffic, school weren't overcrowded and hospitals were in top shape in Cali until the illegals showed up? Maybe you exagerating just a tad?
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1 edit | Re: Bingo. No exageration. California used to have best (or near the very best) public schools, the best hospitals and absolutely THE best highway system in the nation. Not any more. Hospitals are being crushed by illegals getting services that they can't pay for (and the gov't doesn't reimburse enough for), the schools can't handle the influx of non-English speakers who are already behind in education, and the increase in non-legal population (since the legal population has actually decreased) has taxed all aspects of infrastructure, whether it's electricity, water, highways, hospitals, prisons, or anything else).
I know it's hard for people living outside of Southern California to visualize or believe the problem could be this bad, but you just have to have lived here for the last 40 years to see how it has changed for the worse.
The statistics about there being 75,000 less K-12 students but spending $11 billion more and that LA county saw a $300 million shortfall for hospitals (resulting in closures of hospitals and 4 hours waits for the ERs) can get taxing, but that is the direct result of unchecked illegal immigration.
Plus illegal immigration drives down wages for legal immigrants and other lower skilled jobs. For example it used to be in California that being a carpender or in other construction trades meant great pay and benefits but not any more.
It's a mess and getting worse and despite record gov't revenues, we face another $14 billion deficit this year. | |
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This state is highly taxed, and the money ends up going nowhere.
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