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Re: Bingo. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20511795 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:15:53 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:15:53 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20516045 scrummie02 : And this helps broadband penetration how?

I agree with your statement, but that's for another forum ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20516045 Wed, 21 May 2008 06:48:56 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20515618 stridr69 : Thank you, Skeedatl.
As I'm a neighbor to Diablo Canyon's nuke plant, I couldn't agree with you more. Nuclear power is the way to go for the time being. Since our "liberal" friends in government(Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxter, Lois Capps, ect.) totally freak out about drilling for oil off the cali coast and hydro-electric is iffy at best, then there's only one other "clean" alternative that's both reliable and available with current technology.
France has it right. We should too.
By the way, Diablo Canyon has been a great neighbor for us as well. Get great weather reports from a local PG&E employee(John Lindsay)that beats anything I get from the weather channel. And when PG&E was eliminating jobs a while back, John was among those being cut. Local outcry to PG&E(myself included)allowed John to keep his job. He's a great asset locally as well as to PG&E. Not just for weather reports, but also about Diablo Canyon as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20515618 Wed, 21 May 2008 01:16:23 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20515320 jester121 : Withholding spending? Other than Clinton's cuts to the military, what government program has been cut in the last 20 years? I see a ridiculous rate of growth of government, more waste, and more doing the same thing while expecting different results.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20515320 Tue, 20 May 2008 23:39:37 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20514796 Dogfather : There is nothing questionable about it other than leftists scare mongering. Low level waste from reprocessing is routinely discharged into the sea and the radiation dose is similar to natural background radiation. It would be illegal in the US because we have even stricter standards requiring the discharge to be only a fraction of background radiation. Here in SoCal, the system is closed and ocean water is only used to cool the reactor and the discharge system, kelp farm and artificial reef were designed to have minimum impact on the environment.

Meanwhile using more advanced fuels and reprocessing (since 90% of the waste is good uranium that can be used again) more and more reduces the amount of waste requiring storage. And while the left loves to tout many many tons of nuclear waste are generated by a plant, a big plant may generate 50 tons of waste a year (plants have more than 1 reactor and a typical reactor generates 20 tons). How much waste is that 50 tons actually? Amazinging, because the waste is so dense, it amounts to 2-3 cubic meters, about the size of a large executive desk. That's it, and only if it's not reprocessed and as I mentioned, 90% of the spent fuel is still useable fuel if reprocessed.

It's hot so it's stored locally while it initially decays then would be stored deep underground. So even after decades of operation a plant doesn't generate a large "volume" of waste and it's certainly not the catastrophe the radical left would have you believe it is.

Is nuclear waste something to be taken lightly? Of course not. It's dangerous if for no other reason than terrorists getting their hands on it, but nuclear power is a reliable and realistic source of clean-air energy.

If you want to get off coal, oil and natural gas, nuclear power is the only realistic alternative. Wind and solar simply aren't realistic solutions for the needs of a growing economy. Wind kills birds and wind and solar farms take thousands of acres to generate any appreciable amount of energy.

Good solar thermal arrays for example take 5 acres to generate a single megawatt. The brand new one in California that will be finished in 2011, by far the largest at 640 acres does only 80 megawatts...that's 8 acres per megawatt. Meanwhile an old nuclear plant like San Onofre a few miles from me generates 2,200 megawatts using only 2 of its 3 reators. A large nuke plant does nearly 4,000 megawatts. The same state of the art solar farm would take up more than 20,000 acres, that is covering up some 31 square miles.

Think if how large such an array would have to be to feed our CURRENT national consumption of 3,350,000 megawatts. Even at a very optimistic 5 acres per mW it would take such an array the size of Texas to meet our current energy consumption requirements. Forget about future demands.

So the quicker we get away from this fantasy of solar power and bird killing noisy wind farms being the solution to our problems, the faster we can get to a REAL solution. But it's not a solution unless it's comprehensive including extensive planning for reprocessing and storage. If done right, nuclear power is an excellent clean-air solution for total energy independence.

But then again, bulldozing Texas for solar panels would suit the left just fine :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20514796 Tue, 20 May 2008 21:48:34 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20514306 a333 : I hate to bring it up, but were you aware that France's nuclear program has questionable ways in which it disposes of used reactor fuel? As a matter of fact, the level of pollution dumped by France into the English channel every year would be outright illegal here in the US. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20514306 Tue, 20 May 2008 20:07:28 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20513780 Dogfather : "California" isn't providing anything. I have what I have because I earned it in spite of, not because of, Sacramento.

If California were providing the conditions, everyone would be living in Nellie Gail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20513780 Tue, 20 May 2008 18:21:59 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20513733 PDXPLT : Yea, I'm sure you're really hurtin' and living an awful life in Laguna Hills

California must be providing conditions for you to suceed, if you can afford to live in a place like that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20513733 Tue, 20 May 2008 18:10:45 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20513695 anon :

said by Dogfather

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Short of armed revolution, there is NOTHING to be done.

Whether it's Democrats or Republicans, both are equally corrupt and inept.

Totally agree. The above could have been my words. Too bad we're in such a small minority.. The rest believe the fairytales that the Disney news networks provide (which the BBC regards as "Entertainment news").

Real fact is, we're on the cusp of a major catastrophe. The banks were forced to lend money to those ineligable for such loans, the results of which is now coming to public view, the dollar is defrauded by the Fed, international markts are considering reducing the US's AAA credit rating to sub-prime, which means we may stop being the center of the world market, and also means import prices go up, while jobs leave the country.

The prison industry is the real winner here, because the government will impose more Draconian laws after the election and crime will soar as people start to go hungry. Oil is reported to be headed toward $200bbl in 2009, and there is no relief in site. We are headed to MAJOR economic crisis, the likes of which have not been seen for 50 years.

Tax & steal and tax some more seems to be the name of the game in the US.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20513695 Tue, 20 May 2008 18:03:26 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20513620 Dogfather : Yep, Sacramento Democrats killed a bill in committee last month that would have lifted the 30 year ban on new nuke plants, the best solution for reliable and realisic clean-air electricity. I live fairly close to the 2.2 gigawatt San Onofre plant (aka the Dolly Parton Memorial)and get over 20% of my business energy (from Edison) from it. I'm not sure how much I get from it at home with San Diego Gas & Electric but I imagine it's close to the same since SoCal Edison and SDG&E both own it. It's great. Because of it, less than 9% of my power comes from coal and over 90% comes from clean-air sources.

Countries like France wised up long ago, actually have a REALISTIC energy policy and have been using nuclear power for years and years. More than 3/4 of their electricity generation comes from nuclear power and they're the WORLD'S LARGEST net exporter of electricity because they generate it so cleaply. France nets 3 billion EUR a year from those electricity sales.

Meanwhile, smelly California hippies who would otherwise die for France decry nuclear power as the spawn of Satan so we're left paying 30 cents per kWh because natural gas is so expensive and solar and wind are a complete joke.

And while the smelly hippies continue to run California into the ground, the House passed legislation allowing the DOJ to sue the OPEC members for antitrust violations but of course dumbass Bush will veto it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20513620 Tue, 20 May 2008 17:50:47 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512955 DaveNJ :

said by kapil

said by DaveNJ

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No the problem democrats saying we cant build new power plants, drill in anwar, etc etc. There against nuclear, coal, gas refinaries. There hasnt been a new refinary in 30 years. Because Greens protest.

The housing crisis is because banks HAD TO lend to people, there werent permitted to ask certain questions. Another liberal policy.

Liberals are against energy independence, and letting banks decide who is a good loan or not. Why would a bank waste its time with foreclosures it costs them money... duh...

So what is the answer ? Liberals dont seem to have one, but there against any type of new energy plants. California is the best example they refuse any new energy plants. Yet have rolling blackouts every summer. Thats been the liberals answer. No new plants, exploration. But we dont have an answer, but you cant build. I guess its the liberal policies that have gotten us here.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512955 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:51:36 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512848 kapil :

said by Dogfather

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Leftist jerks offs couldn't care less about "you and me" except for how much money they can steal from us.

The left and right are both equally corrupt and are ONLY interested in money and power.

Both parties need to die painfully along with their special interest puppetmasters.

Being cynical and questioning conventional wisdom is good and healthy. Being a paranoid is....not.

Yes, there is lots of corruption but that changes as soon as we demand that those amongst us who are best able to leads step up and do so, and in the process, get rid of the oafs currently in power.

...and nobody needs to die for that to happen.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512848 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:33:16 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512808 JSRoman : This thread took a huge wrong turn somewhere.
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»www.seabee.navy.mil]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512808 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:26:21 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512799 Dogfather : Leftist jerks offs couldn't care less about "you and me" except for how much money they can steal from us.

The left and right are both equally corrupt and are ONLY interested in money and power.

Both parties need to die painfully along with their special interest puppetmasters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512799 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:24:09 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512739 kapil :

said by Dogfather

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Bush is an asswipe as are the leftist jerkoffs that see 100% taxation as the answer to every problem.

I agree. Except Bush wants to tax and give the money to rich people and the leftist jerkoffs want you and me to have better schools, free health care, good roads. I like the leftist jerkoffs much more than I like the asswipe.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512739 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:16:21 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512728 kapil :

said by Dogfather

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dumbass liberal asswipes and jerkoffs like Jeb and Ahnauld

Both are quite Republican and NOT "liberal". Although Arnold tries :)
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512728 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:14:27 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512716 kapil :

said by DaveNJ

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BTW under Pa is 1000 years of naturnal gas estimated, did you hear they can make electricity from natural gas ??

Really? And my mom said that if I leave my tooth under my bed, a fairy will turn it into money! :D
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512716 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:13:29 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512713 Dogfather : From someone who obviously has ZERO clue about Ethanol.

Ethanol is hydrophilic and for that reason will never be viable.

And who gives a crap if farmers get mad. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512713 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:12:54 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512705 kapil : Oh I know...you're one of 26% who still think Bush is doing a good job. Aaah. Why didn't you say so? We could have avoided this whole debate.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512705 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:12:00 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512690 Dogfather : They're having to go to remote places because dumbass liberal asswipes and jerkoffs like Jeb and Ahnauld won't let them explore here where it would be dirt cheap and safe.

So we instead pay $5 a gallon and waste billions on idiotic programs like solar and wind which will NEVER deliver the energy required to maintain economic growth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512690 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:09:44 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512685 DaveNJ :

said by kapil

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By many definitions, we would qualify as a terrorist state.

Oil is not "plenty to be gotten". Read the annual reports of any big old company...they're spending more on exploration in more remote places and getting less oil out. We're running out. End of story.

Gas needs to cost much more than $5 ...apparently that's what it will take to convince some of you fools.

Why are Oil companies profits. different then windfall taxes ?
Lets see it took 1000 of hours of research to get the oil, that you need. The government signs into law a tax increase. Maybe you need to read something about oil availability, and the fact liberals will stop at nothing to prevent us from getting it . BTW under Pa is 1000 years of naturnal gas estimated, did you hear they can make electricity from natural gas ??
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512685 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:09:17 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512666 kapil : Ethanol is not the answer. At least not the entire answer. It's a step. And the reason we make ethanol from corn is because the farmers get mad if we don't. There are too many competing interests, and no one is looking out for the common good.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512666 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:07:06 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512650 kapil : By many definitions, we would qualify as a terrorist state.

Oil is not "plenty to be gotten". Read the annual reports of any big old company...they're spending more on exploration in more remote places and getting less oil out. We're running out. End of story.

Gas needs to cost much more than $5 ...apparently that's what it will take to convince some of you fools.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512650 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:05:08 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512648 DaveNJ :

said by kapil

said by Dogfather

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No it's not.

Gas prices are result of green policies stopping domestic exploration and forcing us to rely on foreign sources of oil.

Domestic production is down 45% from the 1980's.

And while countries like France have built nuclear powerplants for plentiful clean-air energy Congress and every administration for the last 2 decades have sat on their hands bowing to the environmental wacko left.

And the housing problem is caused by people buying more house than they could afford.

Oh Ethanol, So staving the poor and escalation of food prices is the answer. And Ethanol is more polluting. Every liberal idea is a failure. BTW it was a business that sold you that Pius, i mean Prius.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512648 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:04:52 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512631 kapil :

said by DaveNJ

Nuclear plants, digging for oil and coal is bad for the planet. We understand that some of you fools don't understand the concept of not hacking off your own legs while chopping firewood...but thankfully most of us do.

We need a clean and renewable source of energy. Oil, Atoms and Coal don't meet that standard.

And I won't even bother with the bank thing...you have no clue what you're talking about. If you're going to parrot talking points and sensational media stories, at least try to make it sound convincing...no one is fooled by your feeble attempts to cover up the utter incompetence of the current administration.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512631 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:03:03 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512630 Dogfather : We aren't running out of oil. There is plenty to be gotten, the gov't is just stopping us from getting it.

The gulf of Mexico for example; while American companies are prohibited from exploration, Mexico and the Chinese are having a field day.

You have on the right an Administration who refused to utter the word conservation and alternative energy while the left refuses to allow more exploration as a bridge between here and the future.

Meanwhile gas will be $5/gal by the end of summer with that money going to terrorist states hell bent on killing us all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512630 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:02:57 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512607 kapil :

said by Dogfather

We're running out of oil. We can either replace oil with something more renewable or keep digging ourselves deeper...both literally and metaphorically. One party wants to keep digging and the other wants to invest in something that is a little less bloody.

Yes, many people bought homes they could not afford...but many more lenders prayed on those people. Again, plenty of blame to go around. Including some for our education system that can't seem to teach basic financial literacy to our youth.

There's a reason the Koreans, the Chinese and the Indians are stuffing our dollars in their collective pockets while we're in debt to our eyeballs.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512607 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:59:52 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512602 DaveNJ :

said by kapil

said by DaveNJ

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[Did you noticed what happened since Congress is now Liberal ruled, Gas prices rose, and house fallout. All because of liberal policy. Where the 30 yrs of conservative leadership is coming from i dont know. I guess there has never been a liberal in government.

LOL. Nice try. The gas prices are the result of not having a coherent energy policy through successive administrations...both Democratic and Republican. At least one of the parties *tries* to do something about it other than drilling more holes looking for oil.

The "house fallout" was due to a hands-off free-market-trumps-all style of governance practiced by the current President.

Had we regulated banks and industry instead of choking the regulatory authority vested in the various agencies we'd be much better off today.

No the problem democrats saying we cant build new power plants, drill in anwar, etc etc. There against nuclear, coal, gas refinaries. There hasnt been a new refinary in 30 years. Because Greens protest.

The housing crisis is because banks HAD TO lend to people, there werent permitted to ask certain questions. Another liberal policy.

Liberals are against energy independence, and letting banks decide who is a good loan or not. Why would a bank waste its time with foreclosures it costs them money... duh...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512602 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:59:11 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512600 Dogfather :

said by kapil

said by DaveNJ

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Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity.

No, Detroit's problem is rooted in our utter fascination with unfettered "free trade" and successive city administrations that have been utterly corrupt.

Best post of the day.

Free trade is NEVER fair trade. Bush free-trade policy has DECIMATED light manufacturing by selling us out to China.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512600 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:58:40 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512593 kapil :

said by DaveNJ

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Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity.

No, Detroit's problem is rooted in our utter fascination with unfettered "free trade" and successive city administrations that have been utterly corrupt.

Not all problems fit the liberal-conservative mold. However, IMHO the conservatives don't know how to govern, but that doesn't mean the Democrats are blame-free. Plenty of blame to go around for all.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512593 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:57:18 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512588 Dogfather : No it's not.

Gas prices are result of green policies stopping domestic exploration and forcing us to rely on foreign sources of oil.

Domestic production is down 45% from the 1980's.

And while countries like France have built nuclear powerplants for plentiful clean-air energy Congress and every administration for the last 2 decades have sat on their hands bowing to the environmental wacko left.

And the housing problem is caused by people buying more house than they could afford as much as banks gambling by loaning them the money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512588 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:56:27 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512577 kapil :

said by DaveNJ

said by kapil

said by Dogfather

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Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem.

The government has a WAR problem.

The war cost less then alot of wasteful liberals programs. Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512568 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:52:37 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512563 Dogfather :

said by kapil

said by Dogfather

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Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem.

The government has a WAR problem.

Really? How much did Sacramento spend on the war?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512563 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:51:37 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512560 Dogfather : The gov't (both Cali and the Fed) is bloated and corrupt and it's not wrong or selfish for taxpayers like me to protest having the gov't take even more for this broken system.

Fix the system BEFORE demanding taxpayers pay even more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512560 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:51:14 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512556 kapil :

said by Dogfather

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Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem.

The government has a WAR problem.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512556 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:42 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512546 DaveNJ :

said by kapil

said by DaveNJ

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See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things.

No... the government borrowed money from SS, and use it elsewhere, hence the "lock box". So the current Gen X, Y will be funding the largest amount of retired people ever. So the government never SAVED those funds, and used them for something else. Did you noticed what happened since Congress is now Liberal ruled, Gas prices rose, and house fallout. All because of liberal policy. Where the 30 yrs of conservative leadership is coming from i dont know. I guess there has never been a liberal in government.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512546 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:49:08 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512517 Dogfather : You say it's not true? »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595849/

Who wasted the money? Depends.

California = Democrats.

Federal = Republicans, and now Democrats...both love to waste money

Doesn't change the fact that both California and the Federal gov't are seeing record HIGH revenues.

They're just eating it up with record high spending.

Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512517 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:43:45 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512506 kapil :

said by Dogfather

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The no-taxes idiots have funded the gov't to RECORD revenues.

The raise-taxes idiots just waste it faster than it comes in.

That's actually not true. From record surplus to record deficit and debt....on whose watch?
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512506 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:42:00 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512496 kapil : 30 years of withholding funding for programs and priorities that desperately need it. It's only going to get worse. Either we fix the bridges now, or we build brand new ones when they collapse, while also setting legal claims from those who get hurt. Not to mention, look like fools in front of the entire world.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512496 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:40:37 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512489 Dogfather : The no-taxes idiots have funded the gov't to RECORD revenues.

The raise-taxes idiots just waste it faster than it comes in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512489 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:39:36 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512482 kapil :

said by DaveNJ

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See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things.

Actually, those are two of the better managed and efficient government programs with much less waste than would be expected of any program that size.

The problem with both programs is that, again, the "no taxes" idiots have refused to fund the progams at levels need to sustain them and keep them viable for future generations.

All while the 30 years of conservative government has raided the trust fund to make up for its inept policies and revenue shortfall.

Can we say burning the candle at both ends? You take the money that's already there and refuse to fund it as needed...and then point at it as an example of bad governance. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512482 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:38:39 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512460 Dogfather : It's not paranoia when it is true.

The gov't, at least here in California is absolutely gunning for the taxpayers. They're looking to raid even more highway funds, raise sales taxes to 9.25% (in LA county) and borrow from future lottery revenues. This despite already being one of the highest taxed states in the nation and 47th for business climate.

But with Obama, the rest of the nation will get a taste of Sacramento style gov't.

Things were good during the 90's when Congress controlled spending. But Republicans have become spend happy whores and the Democratic Congress has turned out to be no better.

Things can be good again, all we have to do is stop being selfish expecting other people and the gov't to pay our way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512460 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:35:05 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512430 kapil :

said by Dogfather

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Short of armed revolution, there is NOTHING to be done.

Whether it's Democrats or Republicans, both are equally corrupt and inept.

Yeah. Everyone is out to get you...each man for himself. Get the guns! :uhh:

Maybe you shouldn't vote after all.

Yes, things are pretty bad. But things were once very good. We can make them that way again...we just have to stop being selfish and work for the common good and for the good of the country. No armed revolution required...this isn't the 1800's.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512430 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:31:08 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512423 DaveNJ :

said by kapil

said by EPS

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Ah, yes, the interstate highway system- how's about that Big Dig (Interstate 93 through downtown Boston)? And that maintainance is going so well...

And the power grid, where one failure in northern New York can mean failure in the entire Northeast- a sparkling success there.

All of that because "small government" morons for the last 30 years haven't invested in infrastructure.

I've never understood how the "no taxes" crowd sells that as a logical argument to anyone with post-secondary education.

What does the size of the government have to with maintance. There aren't even related. Plus most of the grid is private, purposefully so it will be invested in.

the "no taxes" crowd understands that the more the government gets the less it spends on the people. See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. If you like taxes ,Sweden pays about 60% of there income to the government, i am sure its paradise.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512423 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:30:21 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512420 Dogfather : No exageration. California used to have best (or near the very best) public schools, the best hospitals and absolutely THE best highway system in the nation. Not any more. Hospitals are being crushed by illegals getting services that they can't pay for (and the gov't doesn't reimburse enough for), the schools can't handle the influx of non-English speakers who are already behind in education, and the increase in non-legal population (since the legal population has actually decreased) has taxed all aspects of infrastructure, whether it's electricity, water, highways, hospitals, prisons, or anything else).

I know it's hard for people living outside of Southern California to visualize or believe the problem could be this bad, but you just have to have lived here for the last 40 years to see how it has changed for the worse.

The statistics about there being 75,000 less K-12 students but spending $11 billion more and that LA county saw a $300 million shortfall for hospitals (resulting in closures of hospitals and 4 hours waits for the ERs) can get taxing, but that is the direct result of unchecked illegal immigration.

Plus illegal immigration drives down wages for legal immigrants and other lower skilled jobs. For example it used to be in California that being a carpender or in other construction trades meant great pay and benefits but not any more.

It's a mess and getting worse and despite record gov't revenues, we face another $14 billion deficit this year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512420 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:29:57 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512396 pnh102 :

said by TKJunkMail

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And it isn't YOUR country too? So what is YOUR country?

Relax TK... inevitably there may come a time when the above poster is proud of his country for the very first time. ;)
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Whether it's Democrats or Republicans, both are equally corrupt and inept.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512366 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:21:26 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512359 JSRoman :

said by Dogfather

said by Matt

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You described California. Move.

Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful interstate system and a great power grid with no rolling blackouts.

Wait till the illegals show up by the millions like they did here and clog your roads, ruin your schools and close your hospitals.

Nothing does quiet so well for a society than to import poverty by the unchecked millions.

said by Dogfather

said by Matt

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You described California. Move.

Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful interstate system and a great power grid with no rolling blackouts.

So there was no traffic, school weren't overcrowded and hospitals were in top shape in Cali until the illegals showed up? Maybe you exagerating just a tad?
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said by ztmike

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"Of course actually having a broadband policy is a good start."

/End thread

I was gonna post my usual "Cue the 'USA Sucks' Rants" posting but this was posted while I was in a meeting. :D
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said by kapil

said by Dogfather

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Not my government. It's Exxon's gov't. It's gov't by the dollar and for the dollar.

And it isn't YOUR country too? So what is YOUR country?
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said by Dogfather

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Not my government. It's Exxon's gov't. It's gov't by the dollar and for the dollar.

Not everything is someone else's fault. Grow up and take responsibility. It's precisely this I-didn't-do-it attitude that has allowed these incompetent dimwits to become in charge and sell your country off in pieces to Exxon and Halliburton.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512235 Tue, 20 May 2008 14:01:23 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512226 Dogfather : Not my government. It's Exxon's gov't. It's Mexico and China's gov't and anyone else Washington wants to sell us out to. It's gov't by the dollar and for the dollar.

And with both Obama and McCain being free-traders and pro-amnesty nothing is going to change for the American worker except fewer good jobs, worsening schools and higher taxes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512226 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:59:24 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512222 kapil : There is no "they". It's US! It's our country and our government. When we decide it's time to stop being lazy and participate in government is when this will all turn around.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512222 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:58:36 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512217 Dogfather :

said by Matt

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You described California. Move.

Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful interstate system and a great power grid with no rolling blackouts.

Wait till the illegals show up by the millions like they did here and clog your roads, ruin your schools and close your hospitals.

Nothing does quite so well for a society than to import poverty by the unchecked millions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512217 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:58:09 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512206 Dogfather : They aren't denied funding for roads. Taxpayers are paying billions and billions in road taxes, fees and excise taxes. But the same corrupt gov't raids those funds to pad their other failed programs.

And damn straight now more taxes, not until they show some responsibility with the hundreds of billions they already get. They don't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. Don't come crying about revenue when they give hundreds of billions to supercorps like ADM for crops that are already reaping them record profits or for tax breaks for oil companies also reaping record profits or for school systems where less than .50 of every dollar actually makes it to a classroom.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512206 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:56:49 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512205 kapil :

said by Dogfather

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A fat lazy government worker serving only to Provoke and Annoy? More iconic of government, not ironic.

I'd be inclined to say that the proverbial lazy government worker is more a cross section and symbol of American society at large, which has become too fat and lazy for its own good rather than, oh you know, being iconic of Government.

It's high time we heed the wake-up call and finally address big national problems we've been sweeping under the rugs and blaming on darkies and immigrants for entirely too long.
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»www.DumbLogic.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512205 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:56:42 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512202 Matt :

said by Dogfather

said by Matt

said by Dogfather

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Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are. :uhh:

Like the interstate highway system? Or the national power grid? I'd even go so far as to say the POTS system since the government stepped in a regulated the level of service.

Yeah, the Federal highways are ashambles and clogged shut with traffic despite taxpayers paying COUNTLESS billions in road taxes and fees that just end up being stolen for bullcrap welfare programs. The power grids? At least out here they were originally built by the power companies and are now managed by CalISO and other gov't mandated ISOs that give us our wonderful rolling blackouts. POTS? Paid for by the telcos and is overpriced thanks in no small part to the wonderful taxes and fees subs are forced to pay on it.

You described California. Move.

Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful interstate system and a great power grid with no rolling blackouts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512202 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:56:16 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512160 Dogfather :

said by Matt

said by Dogfather

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Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are. :uhh:

Like the interstate highway system? Or the national power grid? I'd even go so far as to say the POTS system since the government stepped in a regulated the level of service.

said by EPS

All of that because "small government" morons for the last 30 years haven't invested in infrastructure.

Foresight and good governance got us started, just like the founding fathers gave us the constitution as a framework for a democracy....it's our job to continue on that path.

So build a national highway system...and 50 years later when it needs maintenance and replacement, deny the funding and point to it as an example of how bad government programs are? I've never understood how the "no taxes" crowd sells that as a logical argument to anyone with post-secondary education.
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said by ztmike

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"Of course actually having a broadband policy is a good start."

We do. It is to not bother to look at actual broadband penetration, count the ability of one person in a ZIPCODE as having access to Broadband as meaning that EVERYONE in that ZIPCODE has access, and to define Broadband as 200Kbs (ie: Anything faster than DSL).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20512080 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:35:34 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511961 EPS : Ah, yes, the interstate highway system- how's about that Big Dig (Interstate 93 through downtown Boston)? And that maintainance is going so well...

And the power grid, where one failure in northern New York can mean failure in the entire Northeast- a sparkling success there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511961 Tue, 20 May 2008 13:12:25 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511935 en102 : Especially here in So-Cal.
This state is highly taxed, and the money ends up going nowhere.
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said by Dogfather

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Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are. :uhh:

Like the interstate highway system? Or the national power grid? I'd even go so far as to say the POTS system since the government stepped in a regulated the level of service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511870 Tue, 20 May 2008 12:57:45 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511795 Dogfather : A fat lazy government worker serving only to Provoke and Annoy? More iconic of government, not ironic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511795 Tue, 20 May 2008 12:43:25 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511763 satellite68 :

said by Dogfather

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Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are.

Ironic statement, considering your avatar. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511763 Tue, 20 May 2008 12:37:26 EDT Re: Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511750 Dogfather : Yeah, because we know how efficient and successful government programs are. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511750 Tue, 20 May 2008 12:35:46 EDT Bingo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20511727 ztmike : "Of course actually having a broadband policy is a good start."

/End thread
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