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Re: Bingo. said by kapil:said by EPS:Ah, yes, the interstate highway system- how's about that Big Dig (Interstate 93 through downtown Boston)? And that maintainance is going so well... And the power grid, where one failure in northern New York can mean failure in the entire Northeast- a sparkling success there. All of that because "small government" morons for the last 30 years haven't invested in infrastructure. I've never understood how the "no taxes" crowd sells that as a logical argument to anyone with post-secondary education. What does the size of the government have to with maintance. There aren't even related. Plus most of the grid is private, purposefully so it will be invested in.
the "no taxes" crowd understands that the more the government gets the less it spends on the people. See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. If you like taxes ,Sweden pays about 60% of there income to the government, i am sure its paradise.
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1 edit | said by DaveDude:See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. Actually, those are two of the better managed and efficient government programs with much less waste than would be expected of any program that size.
The problem with both programs is that, again, the "no taxes" idiots have refused to fund the progams at levels need to sustain them and keep them viable for future generations.
All while the 30 years of conservative government has raided the trust fund to make up for its inept policies and revenue shortfall.
Can we say burning the candle at both ends? You take the money that's already there and refuse to fund it as needed...and then point at it as an example of bad governance. |
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Laguna Hills, CA | The no-taxes idiots have funded the gov't to RECORD revenues.
The raise-taxes idiots just waste it faster than it comes in. |
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kapilThe Kapil
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Chicago, IL | said by Dogfather:The no-taxes idiots have funded the gov't to RECORD revenues. The raise-taxes idiots just waste it faster than it comes in. That's actually not true. From record surplus to record deficit and debt....on whose watch?
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4 edits | You say it's not true? »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595849/
Who wasted the money? Depends.
California = Democrats.
Federal = Republicans, and now Democrats...both love to waste money
Doesn't change the fact that both California and the Federal gov't are seeing record HIGH revenues.
They're just eating it up with record high spending.
Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. |
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said by kapil:said by DaveDude:See SS, and medicare, 2 great examples of why the government should keep it hands out things. Actually, those are two of the better managed and efficient government programs with much less waste than would be expected of any program that size. The problem with both programs is that, again, the "no taxes" idiots have refused to fund the progams at levels need to sustain them and keep them viable for future generations. All while the 30 years of conservative government has raided the trust fund to make up for its inept policies and revenue shortfall. Can we say burning the candle at both ends? You take the money that's already there and refuse to fund it as needed...and then point at it as an example of bad governance. Do us all a favor...don't reproduce. No... the government borrowed money from SS, and use it elsewhere, hence the "lock box". So the current Gen X, Y will be funding the largest amount of retired people ever. So the government never SAVED those funds, and used them for something else. Did you noticed what happened since Congress is now Liberal ruled, Gas prices rose, and house fallout. All because of liberal policy. Where the 30 yrs of conservative leadership is coming from i dont know. I guess there has never been a liberal in government.
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kapilThe Kapil
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said by Dogfather:Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. The government has a WAR problem.
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The gov't (both Cali and the Fed) is bloated and corrupt and it's not wrong or selfish for taxpayers like me to protest having the gov't take even more for this broken system.
Fix the system BEFORE demanding taxpayers pay even more. |
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said by kapil:said by Dogfather:Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. The government has a WAR problem. Really? How much did Sacramento spend on the war? |
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said by kapil:said by Dogfather:Gov't doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. The government has a WAR problem. The war cost less then alot of wasteful liberals programs. Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity.
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said by DaveDude:[Did you noticed what happened since Congress is now Liberal ruled, Gas prices rose, and house fallout. All because of liberal policy. Where the 30 yrs of conservative leadership is coming from i dont know. I guess there has never been a liberal in government. LOL. Nice try. The gas prices are the result of not having a coherent energy policy through successive administrations...both Democratic and Republican. At least one of the parties *tries* to do something about it other than drilling more holes looking for oil.
The "house fallout" was due to a hands-off free-market-trumps-all style of governance practiced by the current President.
Had we regulated banks and industry instead of choking the regulatory authority vested in the various agencies we'd be much better off today.
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2 edits | No it's not.
Gas prices are result of green policies stopping domestic exploration and forcing us to rely on foreign sources of oil.
Domestic production is down 45% from the 1980's.
And while countries like France have built nuclear powerplants for plentiful clean-air energy Congress and every administration for the last 2 decades have sat on their hands bowing to the environmental wacko left.
And the housing problem is caused by people buying more house than they could afford as much as banks gambling by loaning them the money. |
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kapilThe Kapil
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said by DaveDude: Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity. No, Detroit's problem is rooted in our utter fascination with unfettered "free trade" and successive city administrations that have been utterly corrupt.
Not all problems fit the liberal-conservative mold. However, IMHO the conservatives don't know how to govern, but that doesn't mean the Democrats are blame-free. Plenty of blame to go around for all.
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1 edit | said by kapil:said by DaveDude: Look at Detroit, I guess the liberal dominated government there has lead to such prosperity. No, Detroit's problem is rooted in our utter fascination with unfettered "free trade" and successive city administrations that have been utterly corrupt. Best post of the day.
Free trade is NEVER fair trade. Bush free-trade policy has DECIMATED light manufacturing by selling us out to China. |
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said by kapil:said by DaveDude:[Did you noticed what happened since Congress is now Liberal ruled, Gas prices rose, and house fallout. All because of liberal policy. Where the 30 yrs of conservative leadership is coming from i dont know. I guess there has never been a liberal in government. LOL. Nice try. The gas prices are the result of not having a coherent energy policy through successive administrations...both Democratic and Republican. At least one of the parties *tries* to do something about it other than drilling more holes looking for oil. The "house fallout" was due to a hands-off free-market-trumps-all style of governance practiced by the current President. Had we regulated banks and industry instead of choking the regulatory authority vested in the various agencies we'd be much better off today. No the problem democrats saying we cant build new power plants, drill in anwar, etc etc. There against nuclear, coal, gas refinaries. There hasnt been a new refinary in 30 years. Because Greens protest.
The housing crisis is because banks HAD TO lend to people, there werent permitted to ask certain questions. Another liberal policy.
Liberals are against energy independence, and letting banks decide who is a good loan or not. Why would a bank waste its time with foreclosures it costs them money... duh...
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said by Dogfather:No it's not. Gas prices are result of green policies stopping domestic exploration and forcing us to rely on foreign sources of oil. Domestic production is down 45% from the 1980's. And while countries like France have built nuclear powerplants for plentiful clean-air energy Congress and every administration for the last 2 decades have sat on their hands bowing to the environmental wacko left. And the housing problem is caused by people buying more house than they could afford. We're running out of oil. We can either replace oil with something more renewable or keep digging ourselves deeper...both literally and metaphorically. One party wants to keep digging and the other wants to invest in something that is a little less bloody.
Yes, many people bought homes they could not afford...but many more lenders prayed on those people. Again, plenty of blame to go around. Including some for our education system that can't seem to teach basic financial literacy to our youth.
There's a reason the Koreans, the Chinese and the Indians are stuffing our dollars in their collective pockets while we're in debt to our eyeballs.
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Laguna Hills, CA | We aren't running out of oil. There is plenty to be gotten, the gov't is just stopping us from getting it.
The gulf of Mexico for example; while American companies are prohibited from exploration, Mexico and the Chinese are having a field day.
You have on the right an Administration who refused to utter the word conservation and alternative energy while the left refuses to allow more exploration as a bridge between here and the future.
Meanwhile gas will be $5/gal by the end of summer with that money going to terrorist states hell bent on killing us all. |
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said by DaveDude:No the problem democrats saying we cant build new power plants, drill in anwar, etc etc. There against nuclear, coal, gas refinaries. There hasnt been a new refinary in 30 years. Because Greens protest. The housing crisis is because banks HAD TO lend to people, there werent permitted to ask certain questions. Another liberal policy. Liberals are against energy independence, and letting banks decide who is a good loan or not. Why would a bank waste its time with foreclosures it costs them money... duh... Nuclear plants, digging for oil and coal is bad for the planet. We understand that some of you fools don't understand the concept of not hacking off your own legs while chopping firewood...but thankfully most of us do.
We need a clean and renewable source of energy. Oil, Atoms and Coal don't meet that standard.
And I won't even bother with the bank thing...you have no clue what you're talking about. If you're going to parrot talking points and sensational media stories, at least try to make it sound convincing...no one is fooled by your feeble attempts to cover up the utter incompetence of the current administration.
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said by kapil:said by Dogfather:No it's not. Gas prices are result of green policies stopping domestic exploration and forcing us to rely on foreign sources of oil. Domestic production is down 45% from the 1980's. And while countries like France have built nuclear powerplants for plentiful clean-air energy Congress and every administration for the last 2 decades have sat on their hands bowing to the environmental wacko left. And the housing problem is caused by people buying more house than they could afford. We're running out of oil. We can either replace oil with something more renewable or keep digging ourselves deeper...both literally and metaphorically. One party wants to keep digging and the other wants to invest in something that is a little less bloody. . Oh Ethanol, So staving the poor and escalation of food prices is the answer. And Ethanol is more polluting. Every liberal idea is a failure. BTW it was a business that sold you that Pius, i mean Prius.
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By many definitions, we would qualify as a terrorist state.
Oil is not "plenty to be gotten". Read the annual reports of any big old company...they're spending more on exploration in more remote places and getting less oil out. We're running out. End of story.
Gas needs to cost much more than $5 ...apparently that's what it will take to convince some of you fools.
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