ddg4005
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Bronx, NY | Verizon says "No redlining in NYC."
Talk is cheap. Let's see what they actually do.
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RARPSL
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| said by ddg4005  :Talk is cheap. So is not doing what they promise given the "Pocket Change" size of the so called "Penalties" for not meeting the milestones.
Let's see what they actually do.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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said by ddg4005 :Talk is cheap. Let's see what they actually do. SIGH. Its uninformed comments like yours that really get to me. The reality of the situation is that FIOS is available TODAY in Brooklyn, Bronx, and Queens. Manhattan (the wealthiest borough of NYC) only has a few buildings being lit for a controlled (beta) introduction. So is Verizon currently doing reverse redlining?? How come all the people who live on 5th Avenue arent picketing in the streets complaining about being discriminated against??
This has been proven time and time again; there is NO FIOS redlining anywhere in the country so get over it. Taken as a whole, lower and middle class areas (ie. where most people live) are the primary targets of FIOS rollouts, and thats just a fact.
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PDXPLT
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Banks, OR
2 edits | There's redlining here ...
said by wifi4milez :This has been proven time and time again; there is NO FIOS redlining anywhere in the country so get over it. NOT TRUE. The regional franchise authority here does not work as well as that in NYC. Verizon told them that two of the communities in the region will not get FIOS, and that was OK with the franchise board. It also happens that the two communities in question are the ones with the lowest average incomes. The meets the definition of "redlining" as commonly used.
The franchise board consisted of representatives from every community in the region. The reps from the two redlined communities voted NO, but the reps from the communities getting FIOS took what the Brits call an "I'm all right Jack" attitude and voted yes.
The only reason the outlining boroughs in NYC have FIOS and Manhattan doesn't yet is that there are very few single-family homes in Manhattan. Verizon is just now figured out how to deploy FIOS in apartment buildings.
Bottom line FIOS redlining is alive and well. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to wifi4milez
Re: Verizon says "No redlining in NYC."
This is absolutely true. The first areas in California to get FiOS TV were Beaumont and Murrietta, not exactly Newport Coast. |
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ddg4005
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2 edits | reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez :said by ddg4005 :Talk is cheap. Let's see what they actually do. SIGH. Its uninformed comments like yours that really get to me. The reality of the situation is that FIOS is available TODAY in Brooklyn, Bronx, and Queens. Manhattan (the wealthiest borough of NYC) only has a few buildings being lit for a controlled (beta) introduction. So is Verizon currently doing reverse redlining?? How come all the people who live on 5th Avenue arent picketing in the streets complaining about being discriminated against?? This has been proven time and time again; there is NO FIOS redlining anywhere in the country so get over it. Taken as a whole, lower and middle class areas (ie. where most people live) are the primary targets of FIOS rollouts, and thats just a fact. I am well aware that Fios is available in parts of the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens. And my comment stands: what a company says and what it does are two different things. Only a portion of each aforementioned borough is wired; we'll see if the rest are wired within a reasonable time. |
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mglunt
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1 edit | reply to wifi4milez
Locally, Spotsylvania County is way ahead of Stafford county to the north with much higher real estate values.
All these redlining claims are BS. Unless they start with the lowest income welfare developments and then work their way up someone screams.
Even if they were, how dare VZ install the product where people can actually afford it and/or know what it is. |
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wifi4milez
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Re: There's redlining here ...
said by PDXPLT :The franchise board consisted of representatives from every community in the region. The reps from the two redlined communities voted NO, but the reps from the communities getting FIOS took what the Brits call an "I'm all right Jack" attitude and voted yes. So a local franchise board made up of members of the local community voted on where to install FIOS. They voted not to install it in two specific areas. Yet somehow, you are equating this to Verizon redlining poor areas?? Thats some interesting logic my friend.....
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wifi4milez
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Re: Verizon says "No redlining in NYC."
said by ddg4005 :I anm well aware that Fios is available in parts of the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens. And my comment stands: what a company says and what it does are two different things. Only a portion of each aforementioned borough is wired; we'll see if the rest are wired within a reasonable time. That is correct, a good portion of the outer boroughs are currently wired for FIOS. Manhattan on the other hand, has maybe 3 buildings in total that are slated for rollout sometime this summer (other than the 3 currently served). The main reason that many more NYC (and outer borough) residents do not have FIOS today is directly due to bleeding heart bureaucrats and meddling politicians. The past two years of "secret behind closed doors" meetings between Verizon and the city have screwed us all. Instead of letting Verizon get on with things, the city tried to come up with the stupid "access for all by 20XX" plan. If anyone thinks that requiring Verizon to wire some abandoned warehouse in Queens with FIOS will help with anything, they are sorely mistaken. It has already been stated numerous times on this website that the penalties for Verizon missing the target dates are negligible, so in all honesty what was the point?? For those who think they have "won the battle" by forcing Verizon to make FIOS available to some drug flop house in (insert crappy neighborhood) think again.
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KCrimson
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I'm sure that Verizon was RUNNING to get the big bucks from Prospect Heights and Crown Heights Brooklyn - two of the areas that are among the first to see FiOS.  Both feature below average income demographics, and both feature a majority of multi-dwelling buildings.
So I guess that people who propose that 5th Ave. Manhattan was only stalled because of the difficulties of running fiber in multidwellings didn't consult with Verizon first!
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Pathfinder
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Mount Vernon, NY | reply to wifi4milez
There are far more than 3 buildings in Manhattan with FIOS. When I left there 2 years ago there were 3 in East 56th District already with more on the map. I will try to get a count from some friends of mine. |
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PDXPLT
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Re: There's redlining here ...
said by wifi4milez : So a local franchise board made up of members of the local community voted on where to install FIOS. They voted not to install it in two specific areas. Of course not. Verizon said "this is where we want deploy FIOS, take it or leave it. Approve it, or we don't deploy FIOS anywhere." Same thing they've been doing every place else in the country. The franchise board has the authority only to give thumbs up/down, not to define deployment details. |
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wifi4milez
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Re: Verizon says "No redlining in NYC."
said by Pathfinder :There are far more than 3 buildings in Manhattan with FIOS. When I left there 2 years ago there were 3 in East 56th District already with more on the map. I will try to get a count from some friends of mine. Search all you want, and you will come up short. As far as I know there are less than 5 in total where it is available today. If I recall correctly, Peter Cooper Village complex is in the process of being wired now, but other than they Manhattan is out of luck.
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The Joker
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No not everyone can get Fios in NY becuase I live in Queens and Fios is not available to me. Ignorant people make me smile... |
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Pathfinder
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said by wifi4milez :said by Pathfinder :There are far more than 3 buildings in Manhattan with FIOS. When I left there 2 years ago there were 3 in East 56th District already with more on the map. I will try to get a count from some friends of mine. Search all you want, and you will come up short. As far as I know there are less than 5 in total where it is available today. If I recall correctly, Peter Cooper Village complex is in the process of being wired now, but other than they Manhattan is out of luck. According to the Times about 20% of Manhattan is wired. look at the FIOS map here and you will see more than 5 pins of members here.
20% seems too high but I would estimate 10% may be in line. |
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wifi4milez
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| said by Pathfinder :said by wifi4milez :said by Pathfinder :There are far more than 3 buildings in Manhattan with FIOS. When I left there 2 years ago there were 3 in East 56th District already with more on the map. I will try to get a count from some friends of mine. Search all you want, and you will come up short. As far as I know there are less than 5 in total where it is available today. If I recall correctly, Peter Cooper Village complex is in the process of being wired now, but other than they Manhattan is out of luck. According to the Times about 20% of Manhattan is wired. look at the FIOS map here and you will see more than 5 pins of members here. 20% seems too high but I would estimate 10% may be in line. First of all, the NYTimes article says FIOS is currently provided in 20% of New York City. Now I will give you a free pass since you are from out of town, but the term New York City means all 5 boroughs, not just Manhattan! The 5 pins you see on the map for FIOS in Manhattan are likely the only 5 buildings currently served, I can tell you because I live here (have all my life) and know people who work for Verizon. However, that is about to change. Verizon just recently inked a deal to wire Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town with FIOS. This means that the entire 110 building complex will (relatively) soon be FIOS ready. Now that the new "bendable" fiber is available, things will pick up quickly I suspect.
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