EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Competition So now we get to see the long-awaited DOCSIS3 vs. FiOS... be interesting to see what that means, whether Verizon will be forced to ratchet their speeds up a notch (come on, 100mbps is possible isn't it?) or drop prices (hahahahahahaha, like that's going to happen) to compete. |
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| ^^^AGREED^^^ it'll be nice to see a real good competition race for customers. Although, I belive Verizon will win.. |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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said by EPS:So now we get to see the long-awaited DOCSIS3 vs. FiOS... be interesting to see what that means, whether Verizon will be forced to ratchet their speeds up a notch (come on, 100mbps is possible isn't it?) or drop prices (hahahahahahaha, like that's going to happen) to compete. I don't understand why anyone believes any of these higher tiers are going to get cheaper, other than short term promos.
in 5-10 years once fios and DOCSIS 3 are fully deployed, you MIGHT see occasional price wars, but the standard rates will be higher than ever. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to xxTRAGEDYxx
Well, Comcast has a big advantage in deployment- they already have lines going to houses, it's a matter of upgrading the equipment at either end- VZ has to build everything from the ground up. I don't know how much FiOS is deployed in Verizon Florida's areas, but I doubt it's 100% yet.. and once you've gotten 50mbps from Comcast, when Verizon starts deploying in your area it's not as alluring... |
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cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK
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The lower speed bundles are where the promotions will be at. Expect all out pricing war on those entry level packages once Uverse hit some areas. The upper speeds you can pretty much forget about any type of price battle.
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 BSD24Tier 4Premium
join:2008-04-30
Middleboro, MA
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said by EPS:Well, Comcast has a big advantage in deployment- they already have lines going to houses, it's a matter of upgrading the equipment at either end- VZ has to build everything from the ground up. I don't know how much FiOS is deployed in Verizon Florida's areas, but I doubt it's 100% yet.. and once you've gotten 50mbps from Comcast, when Verizon starts deploying in your area it's not as alluring... I agree. And Comcast already has Fiber to the Node technology. If they ever reached some sort of limit they could then just extend the Fiber lines all the way to the house, with out too much cost compared to having to run Fiber lines from start to finish (in Verizon's case with Fios). Also is why Verizon sold their Fios system in ME/VT. Comcast has a larger Fiber foot-print than Verizon will for a while.
I am still debating on whether Comcast should really switch from Hybrid-Fiber-Coax to FTTH. But it wouldn't be too hard for them to do it, although then again with prices of everything going up including gas they probably won't do it anytime soon. |
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AmmlerPremium
join:2005-04-19
Pittsburgh, PA | reply to EPS
AT&T is now going to painfully realize how short sighted they were in deploying U-verse.
Look for U-verse to get a dramatic "Upgrade" in the future. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to BSD24
Comcast's Fiber can't be used for FIOS technology AKA BPON/GPON. Not enough fiber strands. A fiber node only gets 1 or 2 strands, and that fiber node serves 100-400 houses. 1 BPON strand serves 32 houses. It doesn't compare. They would have to have Uverse Size cabinets in the field (like Utopia), and use IPTV. And PR wise that is guaranteed not to happen. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to tshirt
said by tshirt: I don't understand why anyone believes any of these higher tiers are going to get cheaper, other than short term promos. in 5-10 years once fios and DOCSIS 3 are fully deployed, you MIGHT see occasional price wars, but the standard rates will be higher than ever. Both Comcast and Verizon know that a price war is bad for both of them. A race to the bottom in price is as smart as pulling the pin on a grenade, dropping it, and running as fast as possible away from it, if you trip (financial problems due to low ARPU), you die. Verizon would die first in a price war, since they need as much income as possible to build out FIOS and pay back any financing on it. Comcast is 100% sunk costs, Comcast already deployed everything and payed off installation costs years ago, so they can play the price game. |
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BSD24Tier 4Premium
join:2008-04-30
Middleboro, MA | reply to patcat88
As they are different in some ways, Fiber is Fiber. Not sure what Comcast has for fiber in your area, but there is different Fiber line diameters. First it starts from the "Headend" those lines are extremely thick, as it should be. All Comcast has to do (varies obviously by areas - since some areas may be outdated from recent take-overs) is build up some of the Fiber lines, but still they have good fiber already in place that could handle it. What they need to do is run the Fiber deeper - more closely to the premises (home), which will make a much more reliable network and help the nodes not get bogged down. See an article-link below....
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And who would they be fighting ?
Lots of that area that they cover are them or charter cox and the like comcast doesn't touch much of thier territory.
At&T will milk their infrastructure much like qwest is. They make way to much money off the business end to bother.
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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said by BSD24:As they are different in some ways, Fiber is Fiber. Not sure what Comcast has for fiber in your area, but there is different Fiber line diameters. First it starts from the "Headend" those lines are extremely thick, as it should be. First off, your statement of "fiber is fiber" is completely inaccurate. There's fiber characterized for different modal qualities, such as single mode (aka long haul) and multi mode (aka short haul) fiber. The runs from the headend to the nodes are 9 micron core single mode fiber, which is incredibly thin. The thickness you are referring to is the armored cladding to prevent breakage. For multimode varieties the core sizes are 62.5micron (aka FDDI grade fiber) and 50micron, and those come in different modal bandwidths from 200Mhz - 2000Mhz. You need fiber characterized to carry the optical wavelengths you intend to transmit, with the correct amount of loss so that you don't have the extremes of signal loss or burning out your optical receivers.
said by BSD24:All Comcast has to do (varies obviously by areas - since some areas may be outdated from recent take-overs) is build up some of the Fiber lines, but still they have good fiber already in place that could handle it. They could, in theory, use fiber to feed optical hubs, but the signal would need to be regenerated. It wouldn't technically be a "passive" optical network like Verizon's GPON/BPON infrastructure. |
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BSD24Tier 4Premium
join:2008-04-30
Middleboro, MA | said by espaeth:said by BSD24:As they are different in some ways, Fiber is Fiber. Not sure what Comcast has for fiber in your area, but there is different Fiber line diameters. First it starts from the "Headend" those lines are extremely thick, as it should be. First off, your statement of "fiber is fiber" is completely inaccurate. There's fiber characterized for different modal qualities, such as single mode (aka long haul) and multi mode (aka short haul) fiber. The runs from the headend to the nodes are 9 micron core single mode fiber, which is incredibly thin. The thickness you are referring to is the armored cladding to prevent breakage. For multimode varieties the core sizes are 62.5micron (aka FDDI grade fiber) and 50micron, and those come in different modal bandwidths from 200Mhz - 2000Mhz. You need fiber characterized to carry the optical wavelengths you intend to transmit, with the correct amount of loss so that you don't have the extremes of signal loss or burning out your optical receivers. said by BSD24:All Comcast has to do (varies obviously by areas - since some areas may be outdated from recent take-overs) is build up some of the Fiber lines, but still they have good fiber already in place that could handle it. They could, in theory, use fiber to feed optical hubs, but the signal would need to be regenerated. It wouldn't technically be a "passive" optical network like Verizon's GPON/BPON infrastructure. Cisco and other companies are working with Comcast and other providers to bring fiber deeper. Besides the fact I didn't want to get too deep in this conversation about fiber lines, I simply stated the obvious.
Should I also mention that some Comcast customers already have FTTH/FTTP... Off the same network servicing HFC customers.... It was a development area taken over by Comcast, they gutted the previous service provider (satellite and dsl) lines and equipment, and built up a completely fiber to the premise network. Althought there were some problems with some bugs in the brand new system it is now functional. People in the nearby area of this development (still on nodes with HFC) had issues whenever there were issues at the Development area, since its one network and closed circuit so to say. |
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TWC has a lot of service areas in at$t areas. |
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| said by hottboiinnc:TWC has a lot of service areas in at$t areas. heres to hoping TW decides to upgrade as well.
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Actually, Florida makes a great test state (because of the overlap of FIOS and AT&T's UVerse competing with Comcast) as right now FIOS is going head-to-head with Comcast literally on Comcast's home turf: the Greater Philadelphia-to-DC MegaCluster (basically everything from northern New Jersey to greater Richmond except eastern Maryland and Virginia's Eastern Shore counties). Comcast had no choice but to roll out Blast! in this area because FIOS is stealing not just HSI customers, but even cable TV customers that already had VZ for phone and were loath to leave (Comcast is losing HSI customers because VZ has the 15/15 package they are marketing like crazy; worse, new HSI customers would much rather deal with VZ, especially if they have VZ for phone). The reputation of cable companies in general (not just Comcast) is pretty awful in most of the MegaCluster, and VZ is picking up customers just by not being a cable company. |
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