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kapil
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join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Re: So what said by Dogfather  :So if they didn't get immunity what happens. A few customers who weren't damaged get a worthless coupon. Bloodsucking scumbag Sen Edwards types get millions. Customer rates go up because corporations don't pay this, customers ultimately do. If the telco broke the law, put those who signed off on it in jail. Otherwise STFU unless you can PROVE some individual was personally damaged by their actions. The dirty laundry gets aired in public. Telcos get the bad publicity they have earned. The citizens, hopefully, learn that Democracy is not a spectator sport. There is some accountability for unprecedented, unconstitutional and illegal actions undertaken by the employees we sent to Washington to watch our house for us.
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|  lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| Re: So what Your assumption is that they are guilty, but what if the courts ultimately decide otherwise?
Bad publicity and dirty laundery won't see the light of day when national security is invoked.
What if the president on his last day in office grants a pardon to all the telcos invloved. | |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
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| Re: So what said by lesopp :What if the president on his last day in office grants a pardon to all the telcos invloved. Presidential pardons don't extend to civil liability. (It's not clear whether a President could pardon a corporation, but it is clear that they can't pardon anyone from civil liability.).
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kapil
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join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| said by lesopp :What if the president on his last day in office grants a pardon to all the telcos invloved. The telcos involved are seeking immunity because they are worried about their liability. There is no danger of a criminal complaint being brought against the traitors while the current thugs are in power.
Besides, you can't really pardon a corporation, just like you can't throw a corporation in jail.
The closest thing to that would be if an officer of the company were to be found guilty if criminal charges were ever pursued, and then the President could pardon the convict....but that's not likely to happen. The prosecution, that is....the pardon is a certainty I'd say if things ever got that far.
But again, the telcos aren't worried about criminal, just the checks they would have to write if customer started sing them for breach of privacy and a whole host of things.
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tiger72
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join:2001-03-28
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| said by lesopp :Your assumption is that they are guilty, but what if the courts ultimately decide otherwise? They wouldn't be pushing so strenuously for an immunity bill if they didn't fear liability. They've already admitted that they participated because the White House asked them to (contradicting the law). If they don't get immunity, it's guaranteed that they'll face $billions in law suits.
Bad publicity and dirty laundery won't see the light of day when national security is invoked. It's already been invoked, yet fortunately our government is almost as inefficient at keeping anything secret as they are at wasting our tax money.
The telcos already got bad coverage last year with the small amount of evidence that was broadcast. Without immunity they can't stop the torrent of crap that they unleashed.
What if the president on his last day in office grants a pardon to all the telcos invloved. He can't, hence the immunity request. If the president could pardon an entire company, they wouldn't be wasting their money lobbying and and trying to save their asses. They'd just stick to the president, sit this out, and wait for the pardon.
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