amigo_boy
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Re: So what
said by JakCrow  :Sorry. Exposing an illegal wiretapping program is not breaking the law. How would a landlord or employee know whether a warrant wasn't used? Or, that the AG hadn't certified it?
By definition, Klein broke the law simply because he wasn't privy to the details.
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | reply to amigo_boy
Sorry. Exposing an illegal wiretapping program is not breaking the law. The illegal wiretapping program is breaking the law. Your opinion on the matter, while amusing, is simply wrong. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
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said by S_engineer :By calling this clown Klein a hero after he breached national security shows where his allegiance is. What I find amusing is that Klein more clearly broke the law than the telcos did(!). Under the same law which grants an exemption for when the AG certifies a warrant isn't necessary (2 a ii B), it says that an employee of the telco who reveals the presence of a wiretap is guilty of the same civil damages that a telco is for releasing data without abiding by the law:
No provider of wire or electronic communication service, officer, employee, or agent thereof, or landlord, custodian, or other specified person shall disclose the existence of any interception or surveillance or the device used to accomplish the interception or surveillance .... Any such disclosure, shall render such person liable for the civil damages provided for in section 2520.
»www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html···00-.html I guess screaming about "illegal" and "broke the law" is situational for self-styled freedom fighters.
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jhboricua
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said by S_engineer :Your missing the context of the analogy. You assume I'm missing the context of the analogy. I'm merely making a point to the fallacy of your initial response to kapil.said by S_engineer :His blanket statement "And speaking out for your beliefs, in the face of all sorts of odds, makes you a hero not a traitor" has serious outcomes. No more than your blanket statement about Klein being a traitor for exposing an illegal spying program.said by S_engineer :By calling this clown Klein a hero after he breached national security shows where his allegiance is. Right, because you're either with the Administration or you're a terrorist and traitor.  said by S_engineer :The damage that Klein did was irrevocable on several different fronts, and the fact that he has not been charged treason speaks volumes about the impact that media carries on our national policies. The fact that he hasn't been charged with treason, and that the phone companies are spending billions on lobbying to get immunity speaks even louder about how right his actions were.said by S_engineer :I took an oath to the constitution as did all of you, I'm sure. My question is, are you trying to defend it or subvert it? Does turning a blind eye when the constitution gets bypassed qualifies now as defending it? My, how far we've become.
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S_engineer
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said by jhboricua :said by S_engineer :I didn't call Hitler a hero....Kapil did when he said "And speaking out for your beliefs, in the face of all sorts of odds, makes you a hero not a traitor." I didn't call the founding fathers traitors and terrorist either... You did when you implied Kapil's statement = Hitler is a hero. Your missing the context of the analogy. His blanket statement "And speaking out for your beliefs, in the face of all sorts of odds, makes you a hero not a traitor" has serious outcomes. By calling this clown Klein a hero after he breached national security shows where his allegiance is. The damage that Klein did was irrevocable on several different fronts, and the fact that he has not been charged treason speaks volumes about the impact that media carries on our national policies.
I took an oath to the constitution as did all of you, I'm sure. My question is, are you trying to defend it or subvert it? |
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jhboricua
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said by S_engineer :I didn't call Hitler a hero....Kapil did when he said "And speaking out for your beliefs, in the face of all sorts of odds, makes you a hero not a traitor." I didn't call the founding fathers traitors and terrorist either... You did when you implied Kapil's statement = Hitler is a hero.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
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I didn't call Hitler a hero....Kapil did when he said "And speaking out for your beliefs, in the face of all sorts of odds, makes you a hero not a traitor."
I'm sure he also feels Ho Chi Mihn, Pol Pot, The Ayatollah Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini, and Fidel Castro were all heros too when the "faced the odds" |
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jhboricua
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said by kapil :So by your logic...Adolph Hitler was a hero with his actions after the Treaty of Versailles? As much as our nation's founding fathers were traitors and terrorist.... by your logic.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
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So you cite an ambulance chaser trying to establish political correctness rather than argue your own words on merit. The North side must be proud of you.... |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
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said by S_engineer :So by your logic...Adolph Hitler was a hero with his actions after the Treaty of Versailles? »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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S_engineer
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said by kapil :said by S_engineer :Who are the traitors here? The companies that complyed with a request from their gov't during a time of national crisis, or the s***bags that want to further the mayhem by limiting our governments 1 true obligation to the constitution--- our defense! And why oh why hasn't Klein been charged, theres the true traitor! There is no "crisis". I'd say that the constitution is a little bit more complex than just "defense". And speaking out for your beliefs, in the face of all sorts of odds, makes you a hero not a traitor. So by your logic...Adolph Hitler was a hero with his actions after the Treaty of Versailles? |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
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said by S_engineer :Who are the traitors here? The companies that complyed with a request from their gov't during a time of national crisis, or the s***bags that want to further the mayhem by limiting our governments 1 true obligation to the constitution--- our defense! And why oh why hasn't Klein been charged, theres the true traitor! There is no "crisis". I'd say that the constitution is a little bit more complex than just "defense". And speaking out for your beliefs, in the face of all sorts of odds, makes you a hero not a traitor.
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