Re: Now hes an a real american... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20536853 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:28:33 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:28:33 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20547374 msuguy71 : That is true...you are not a convicted criminal. You are simply a criminal who has not been caught yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20547374 Tue, 27 May 2008 17:28:55 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20542073 openbox9 : Who? Me or fuziwuzi See Profile? If you look at my post I was stating that it isn't illegal to rip music from a CD for personal enjoyment. fuziwuzi See Profile was attempting to say that it is illegal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20542073 Mon, 26 May 2008 16:14:00 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20541929 FiL : Shill?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20541929 Mon, 26 May 2008 15:34:56 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20540315 openbox9 :
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···852.html
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···_pf.html
»www.betanews.com/article/Music_I···35402295
»www.techlawjournal.com/home/news···/04c.asp
Four URLs, two stories. Is the DOJ still investigating the alleged price fixing for downloaded music? The radio broadcasters settled.
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

But about some of 8yo price fixing convictions
That would be the one I referred to "over a decade ago". I guess I was off by a couple of years.
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

How much money did BigMusic collect, FROM THIS PRACTICE ALONE, that they weren't entitled to?
I'd argue $0 because they charged what the market would bear and consumers continued to purchase. But the FTC believed it could be as much as $480M.
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

Ah. It's all the artists fault. Would you mind naming a single artist who would concur with that opinion?
Perhaps every single one who freely chose to sign the contract with the terms that it had? And about the LOI issue, I don't know about everyone else, but my mother taught to read everything before I sign anything. I realize that in your world, big corporations are always wrong, but it's a free market. So long as greed grasps artists and they're willing to sign away essentially all of their rights to their works and the market is willing to bear ever increasing costs of purchasing music for their enjoyment, I don't see the blame being placed anywhere else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20540315 Mon, 26 May 2008 08:49:47 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20539247 Noah Vail :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

Huh? Are you referring to the price fixing charges that happened more than a decade ago?
I don't have to.
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···852.html
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···_pf.html
»www.betanews.com/article/Music_I···35402295
»www.techlawjournal.com/home/news···/04c.asp

I imagine you aren't aware because you are just believing what you were told to believe.

But about some of 8yo price fixing convictions,
»stereophile.com/news/10744/
This covered illegal practices lasting 10-15 years.
How much money did BigMusic collect, FROM THIS PRACTICE ALONE, that they weren't entitled to?

And your opinion of this would be....

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Or are you referring to the fact that you voluntarily pay $15 for a CD. Or maybe you believe the RIAA member execs have stolen billions from artists because the artists chose to sign away their rights to their works for the chance at becoming famous.
Ah. It's all the artists fault. Would you mind naming a single artist who would concur with that opinion?
»www.negativland.com/albini.html
»www.abacus-ms.com/opa/2003/07/vivendi.shtm
»www.sarahickman.com/press/austinwoman.shtml (Electra Records)

Any evidence at all that RIAA member greed bears no responsibility here would be helpful. Just post the links below.

said by openbox9 See Profile :

How's my character? Am I consistent?
Hmm. Deny they problem. Blame the consumer. Blame the artist. That's pretty consistent alright.

The sad thing is the RIAA isn't even paying you. If you were a hooker, you'd still be broke.

NV
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Of course there are laws that I've broken. I break them everyday by exceeding the speed limits or jaywalking. Until those become criminal acts and I'm convicted of them, DMNTD See Profile's point of calling me a convicted criminal is simply inaccurate.
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

The RIAA member execs have stolen billions they were never entitled to from the consumer and artists alike.
Huh? Are you referring to the price fixing charges that happened more than a decade ago? Or are you referring to the fact that you voluntarily pay $15 for a CD. Or maybe you believe the RIAA member execs have stolen billions from artists because the artists chose to sign away their rights to their works for the chance at becoming famous.
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

Your response, or lack of it, will reveal volumes about your character to every member here.
How's my character? Am I consistent?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20538763 Sun, 25 May 2008 20:37:38 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20538109 Noah Vail :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

I'll re-ask my question. Since I've never been indicted, tried before a judge/jury, or most definitely convicted for anything, how am I a convicted criminal?

Perhaps you're implying that I've ripped music CDs and then initiated their unauthorized release and/or resell via the Internet. If that's the case, then you are wrong.
His analogy isn't good. He was close though. Take convicted criminal out of it.
If I look hard enough at your life, and the penal codes; I will eventually find laws that you have broken.

I will probably find them sooner than later.

Should this young man be prosecuted before you because his crimes are more serious than the ones I will discover for you?

That's a good argument.

You could also argue that he was blatantly flouting the laws, possibly depriving others of money they were entitled to; all for his own self gain.

Now let's see if you are consistent.

The RIAA member execs have stolen billions they were never entitled to from the consumer and artists alike. They have been engaged in this, without cease, for generations.

Is your cry for justice proportionally larger for the men who perpetrated the far greater crime?

And will we see a proportionally louder cry
to bring the RIAA member execs
to justice, echoed here,
as you cheered the sentence for this young man?

Your response, or lack of it, will reveal volumes about your character to every member here.

NV
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said by fuziwuzi See Profile :

You do realize that the DMCA makes criminal the act of ripping CDs,
Really? Care to show me in writing where the DMCA outlaws extracting audio tracks from a CD for my personal enjoyment?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20538062 Sun, 25 May 2008 16:53:59 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20537797 n2jtx :
said by fuziwuzi See Profile :

You do realize that the DMCA makes criminal the act of ripping CDs, even for your own use, because to do so you must "break" the (admittedly) weak code on the disc?
CD's? I think you mean DVD's. DVD's have an encryption code that needs to be cracked. CD's do not as they are in CDA and are not encumbered by protection schemes (unless the manufacturer wants to lose "Red Book" certification and rights to use the "Compact Disc" logo possibly resulting in a trademark infringement suit from Philips).
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said by openbox9 See Profile :

Perhaps you're implying that I've ripped music CDs ....
You don't have to go any further than that. According to statements from the RIAA, they maintain that simply "ripping" the CD is a criminal act, which they had enshrined into law in the form of the DMCA. You do realize that the DMCA makes criminal the act of ripping CDs, even for your own use, because to do so you must "break" the (admittedly) weak code on the disc? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536934 Sun, 25 May 2008 10:52:56 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536866 DMNTD : Ok saint.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536866 Sun, 25 May 2008 10:25:08 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536853 openbox9 : I'll re-ask my question. Since I've never been indicted, tried before a judge/jury, or most definitely convicted for anything, how am I a convicted criminal?

Perhaps you're implying that I've ripped music CDs and then initiated their unauthorized release and/or resell via the Internet. If that's the case, then you are wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536853 Sun, 25 May 2008 10:21:12 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536814 DMNTD : Well, under these rules you are...considering this is the first "release" scapegoat I have seen attacked. Most of the others were people running around with butterfly nets trying something that was new and cool. I bet you fit that category along a reasonable line. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536814 Sun, 25 May 2008 10:09:33 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536783 openbox9 : Exactly how am I a convicted criminal?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536783 Sun, 25 May 2008 10:02:02 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536780 DMNTD : So are you just look hard enough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536780 Sun, 25 May 2008 10:01:04 EDT Re: Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536763 openbox9 :
said by DMNTD See Profile :

where at least he knows he's free.
Not now that he's a convicted criminal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536763 Sun, 25 May 2008 09:57:41 EDT Now hes an a real american... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536746 DMNTD : where at least he knows he's free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536746 Sun, 25 May 2008 09:52:37 EDT