openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
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Re: Now hes an a real american...
Four URLs, two stories. Is the DOJ still investigating the alleged price fixing for downloaded music? The radio broadcasters settled.said by Noah Vail  :But about some of 8yo price fixing convictions That would be the one I referred to "over a decade ago". I guess I was off by a couple of years.said by Noah Vail :How much money did BigMusic collect, FROM THIS PRACTICE ALONE, that they weren't entitled to? I'd argue $0 because they charged what the market would bear and consumers continued to purchase. But the FTC believed it could be as much as $480M.said by Noah Vail :Ah. It's all the artists fault. Would you mind naming a single artist who would concur with that opinion? Perhaps every single one who freely chose to sign the contract with the terms that it had? And about the LOI issue, I don't know about everyone else, but my mother taught to read everything before I sign anything. I realize that in your world, big corporations are always wrong, but it's a free market. So long as greed grasps artists and they're willing to sign away essentially all of their rights to their works and the market is willing to bear ever increasing costs of purchasing music for their enjoyment, I don't see the blame being placed anywhere else. |
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Noah Vail
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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said by openbox9 :Huh? Are you referring to the price fixing charges that happened more than a decade ago? I don't have to.
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···852.html
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···_pf.html
»www.betanews.com/article/Music_I···35402295
»www.techlawjournal.com/home/news···/04c.asp
I imagine you aren't aware because you are just believing what you were told to believe.
But about some of 8yo price fixing convictions,
»stereophile.com/news/10744/
This covered illegal practices lasting 10-15 years.
How much money did BigMusic collect, FROM THIS PRACTICE ALONE, that they weren't entitled to?
And your opinion of this would be....
said by openbox9 :Or are you referring to the fact that you voluntarily pay $15 for a CD. Or maybe you believe the RIAA member execs have stolen billions from artists because the artists chose to sign away their rights to their works for the chance at becoming famous. Ah. It's all the artists fault. Would you mind naming a single artist who would concur with that opinion?
»www.negativland.com/albini.html
»www.abacus-ms.com/opa/2003/07/vivendi.shtm
»www.sarahickman.com/press/austinwoman.shtml (Electra Records)
Any evidence at all that RIAA member greed bears no responsibility here would be helpful. Just post the links below.
said by openbox9 :How's my character? Am I consistent? Hmm. Deny they problem. Blame the consumer. Blame the artist. That's pretty consistent alright.
The sad thing is the RIAA isn't even paying you. If you were a hooker, you'd still be broke.
NV
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Noah Vail
If I remove convicted criminal from DMNTD 's argument, his argument disappears.
Of course there are laws that I've broken. I break them everyday by exceeding the speed limits or jaywalking. Until those become criminal acts and I'm convicted of them, DMNTD 's point of calling me a convicted criminal is simply inaccurate.said by Noah Vail :The RIAA member execs have stolen billions they were never entitled to from the consumer and artists alike. Huh? Are you referring to the price fixing charges that happened more than a decade ago? Or are you referring to the fact that you voluntarily pay $15 for a CD. Or maybe you believe the RIAA member execs have stolen billions from artists because the artists chose to sign away their rights to their works for the chance at becoming famous.said by Noah Vail :Your response, or lack of it, will reveal volumes about your character to every member here. How's my character? Am I consistent? |
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to DMNTD
said by openbox9 :I'll re-ask my question. Since I've never been indicted, tried before a judge/jury, or most definitely convicted for anything, how am I a convicted criminal? Perhaps you're implying that I've ripped music CDs and then initiated their unauthorized release and/or resell via the Internet. If that's the case, then you are wrong. His analogy isn't good. He was close though. Take convicted criminal out of it.
If I look hard enough at your life, and the penal codes; I will eventually find laws that you have broken.
I will probably find them sooner than later.
Should this young man be prosecuted before you because his crimes are more serious than the ones I will discover for you?
That's a good argument.
You could also argue that he was blatantly flouting the laws, possibly depriving others of money they were entitled to; all for his own self gain.
Now let's see if you are consistent.
The RIAA member execs have stolen billions they were never entitled to from the consumer and artists alike. They have been engaged in this, without cease, for generations.
Is your cry for justice proportionally larger for the men who perpetrated the far greater crime?
And will we see a proportionally louder cry
to bring the RIAA member execs
to justice, echoed here,
as you cheered the sentence for this young man?
Your response, or lack of it, will reveal volumes about your character to every member here.
NV
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