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Re: Bring it on...
said by shimonmor  :Use FF and Adblock Plus. This doesn't stop the ISP from harvesting your browsing history at the server level. |
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obvoiusjoe
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| said by SilverSurfer :said by shimonmor :Use FF and Adblock Plus. This doesn't stop the ISP from harvesting your browsing history at the server level. ALL isp's have this data anyway. It's called a DNS server.
And some of you think YOUR data is for sale, when it's just the data collected from your IP address. |
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nixen
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| said by obvoiusjoe :said by SilverSurfer :said by shimonmor :Use FF and Adblock Plus. This doesn't stop the ISP from harvesting your browsing history at the server level. ALL isp's have this data anyway. It's called a DNS server. Really? Show of hands from the people that don't use their ISPs' DNS servers?
Granted, DSLR is a bit of a different crowd...
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obvoiusjoe
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| said by nixen :Really? Show of hands from the people that don't use their ISPs' DNS servers? Granted, DSLR is a bit of a different crowd... Wow. You made a point, only to slam you fingers in the door with the next point. Nice. LMAO. |
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nixen
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| said by obvoiusjoe :said by nixen :Really? Show of hands from the people that don't use their ISPs' DNS servers? Granted, DSLR is a bit of a different crowd... Wow. You made a point, only to slam you fingers in the door with the next point. Nice. LMAO. The point being, "joe", that you don't do it with the DNS servers. It's done elsewhere in the connectivity chain - or is that too obvious for you?
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obvoiusjoe
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| said by nixen :The point being, "joe", that you don't do it with the DNS servers. It's done elsewhere in the connectivity chain - or is that too obvious for you? Your point is off base. My point "nix" is that DNS servers store all this data anyway, and have been for decades. But people don't make such a big fuss over that for some reason. Now all of a sudden, ISPs are cashing (or caching could be a better spelling) in and you act surprised. I'll be happy to sit here and explain the OSI model and we can get deep with this if you want, but for your sake, for your children's sake, please know that nothing you do online is ever 100% anonymous or safe. |
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nixen
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| said by obvoiusjoe :
Your point is off base. My point "nix" is that DNS servers store all this data anyway, and have been for decades. But people don't make such a big fuss over that for some reason. Actually, no, DNS servers don't "store all this data anyway". At least, not in the way you seem to think that they do, and definitely not in the way that would be useful in the context of a "service" like NebuAd. In the normal functioning of a DNS server (i.e., not in debug mode - and even then, you're generally not so much storing it as logging it), the only information that is cached, is the data that is looked up - not who (what client) looked it up.
said by obvoiusjoe :
Now all of a sudden, ISPs are cashing (or caching could be a better spelling) in and you act surprised. Only surprised in as much as ISPs used to prize their common-carrier protections. Things like this really put those protections into jeopardy.
said by obvoiusjoe :
I'll be happy to sit here and explain the OSI model and we can get deep with this if you want, Sure. Go ahead. This is 2008, not the mid 1980s, but I can sit around for story-time...
said by obvoiusjoe :
but for your sake, for your children's sake, please know that nothing you do online is ever 100% anonymous or safe. Ah, yes... The ever popular "for the children" argument. What next: NebuAd protects me from terrorism? You must have cried the day that Gonzales resigned.
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NormanS
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said by obvoiusjoe :
ALL isp's have this data anyway. It's called a DNS server.
What does the DNS server have to do with it? You can use any DNS server you like, including switching away from your ISP's DNS server.
What you can't do is avoid going through your ISP's aggregation routers. And that is exactly where the ISP will place the DPI appliance. You either go to the Internet through your ISP's DPI appliance, or you don't go to the Internet at all.
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