yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to Modsquad
Re: ugh
said by Modsquad  :You must not have ever tried to rationally resolve an issue with Comcast. It's next to impossible. An irrational response to an irrational situation is still irrational. The mature thing to do would be to cancel service. As it stands, this young man simply committed a federal crime trying to make his point. In the process, he contributed to the very problem that drive him to commit the crime.
How's that for stupid? |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to TKJunkMail
Me too. I had a few irate, cussing, "were losing 10 billion dollars a second" customers that were mad as hell because a couple of "important" emails were bounced during this. |
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haplo2112
join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA
1 edit | reply to devnuller
"Another thing they could have done was just cancel service."
WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT!
In most of the country nobody can just cancel service. ISP's are a monopoly just about everywhere. There is one count 'em ONE broadband provider for whatever area in which they live. So therefore we have to hope, beg and plead for the one choice we have to offer us what we want or need from an ISP. |
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| said by haplo2112 :"Another thing they could have done was just cancel service." WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT! In most of the country nobody can just cancel service. ISP's are a monopoly just about everywhere. There is one count 'em ONE broadband provider for whatever area in which they live. So therefore we have to hope, beg and plead for the one choice we have to offer us what we want or need from an ISP. So, you absolutely need broadband Internet access? Then you'd better get used to dealing with the terms of use put forth by companies like Comcast. As long as you need their service then you'll have to abide by the terms of what's available.
Or you could decide you don't need broadband and cancel your service. |
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Youngjm
join:2002-04-01
Ada, MI | reply to devnuller
He can look on the bright side, he won't be a Comcast customer for very long! |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
 ·Comcast
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said by yock :So, you absolutely need broadband Internet access? Then you'd better get used to dealing with the terms of use put forth by companies like Comcast. As long as you need their service then you'll have to abide by the terms of what's available. Or you could decide you don't need broadband and cancel your service. In this day and age the Internet has pretty much become a necessity and dial-up doesn't cut it. If you tell people to cancel their Internet access, you might as well also tell them to cancel their phone and power service as well. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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said by TKJunkMail :I hope the FBI tracks them down and throws their sorry butts in prison. We'll see if they are still laughing then. Funny how when a private citizen does something like this you want to lock them up and throw away the key yet when a corporation does this, you want to give a free pass to them.  |
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Modsquad
join:2003-01-21
Spring, TX
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Yock isn't seeing that we are getting ripped off by not getting what we are being paid for. Sure we can cancel, but where's the refund of our money spent on service that never delivered what was advertised?
Road Runner was able to deliver what they advertised & give adequate customer support & service, Comcast could do it if they'd reach behind them & pull their heads out of their arses. Luckily, I do have a few other choices for my connection, not that all of them would work as well as Comcast IF they actually got it to work as it should! |
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
| reply to TKJunkMail
I've got to agree. It isn't like the kids were messing around and accidentally got Comcast's DNS transferred to them. They:
1. Saw a vulnerability
2. Actively exploited it to gain control of 200 Comcast domain names
3. Watched as the domain was transferred back to Comcast
4. Exploited the vulnerability to gain control of the domain names for a second time
5. Reported the situation to Comcast
and, when the manager (called at home, no less) laughed at those kids on the phone claiming to have taken control of the Comcast domain name,
6. Decided to hurt Comcast to soothe their anger by redirecting the domain names to a server under the hackers' control
The background given on the kids is interesting. Both have been arrested before. One even thought he would be arrested this time so he slept in his clothes. (Apparently, last time he was sleeping nude or something. Talk about TMI!) They are both high school dropouts. "Defiant" apparently "assaulted" his school's resource office after being caught in the possession of narcotics. Real mature reaction there, but pretty much seems in line with his reaction to the Comcast manager.
They even don't seem remorseful for what they've done. Yes, they seem to fear jail time a bit, but when asked whether they would attack anyone else in a similar manner, they responded "Who knows. Only Kryogeniks [their hacking group] knows." Plus the article described them as going "freely between jubilant excitement over the impact of their attack, and fatalism that they would soon be arrested for it." That doesn't sound like anything close to remorse for doing something that financially impacted thousands if not millions of people.
These kids deserve a little lesson in Real Life. Namely that actions have consequences and if you take something from someone, you *will* be punished for it no matter how much you claim it was in retaliation for poor service.
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-Jason Levine
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to Morac
said by Morac :said by yock :So, you absolutely need broadband Internet access? Then you'd better get used to dealing with the terms of use put forth by companies like Comcast. As long as you need their service then you'll have to abide by the terms of what's available. Or you could decide you don't need broadband and cancel your service. In this day and age the Internet has pretty much become a necessity and dial-up doesn't cut it. If you tell people to cancel their Internet access, you might as well also tell them to cancel their phone and power service as well. Why is it a necessity? I can still buy groceries, order any pay for services, get medical treatment, buy real estate and real property, and anything else separate from the Internet.
Explain to me what you must do on the Internet that you cannot accomplish any other way. |
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kadar
Premium,ExMod 2001-02
join:0000-00-00
| said by yock :Explain to me what you must do on the Internet that you cannot accomplish any other way. Be a pain in your ass. 
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The Revolutionary War was fought over a 14% tax, what % are you paying now? |
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haplo2112
join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA | reply to yock
Yes actually I do! |
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haplo2112
join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA
| reply to yock
Actually no I could not decide that, Internet access at my home is a requirement. I refuse to go into the pile of details of why, I feel its enough to say that it is required.
Further more its my right to whine, bitch moan, scream and violate TOS/AUP to get what I need out of the internet connection. If they will not sell me what I need then I will take it however I can. NOTE: I am not hacking the connection or messing with their infrastructure in any way, just flogging the connection 24/7 doing what I need to do with it. |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| reply to yock
said by yock :Why is it a necessity? I can still buy groceries, order any pay for services, get medical treatment, buy real estate and real property, and anything else separate from the Internet. I'll reverse the question. You can do any of those things without indoor plumbing, phone service or electric power. So why are those considered necessities, but Internet isn't? |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to dadkins
I second that dadkins. "Slap him", someone! |
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to Morac
said by Morac :said by yock :Why is it a necessity? I can still buy groceries, order any pay for services, get medical treatment, buy real estate and real property, and anything else separate from the Internet. I'll reverse the question. You can do any of those things without indoor plumbing, phone service or electric power. So why are those considered necessities, but Internet isn't? I can't wash or nourish myself without water or electricity. Running water and in-home electricity makes those convenient. Furthermore, I don't have a beef with my water, electric, or telephone service. Suffice it to say that if I did have a beef with one of those providers then I'd probably have better grounds for necessity than against an ISP. |
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to haplo2112
said by haplo2112 :Actually no I could not decide that, Internet access at my home is a requirement. I refuse to go into the pile of details of why, I feel its enough to say that it is required. Then I don't believe you.
Further more its my right to whine, bitch moan, scream and violate TOS/AUP to get what I need out of the internet connection. If they will not sell me what I need then I will take it however I can. NOTE: I am not hacking the connection or messing with their infrastructure in any way, just flogging the connection 24/7 doing what I need to do with it.
Of course it's your right to whine and complain, no discounting that. It's also my right to call you out on it as being petty and unproductive. See, you and I both have rights of expression.
You do not, however, have a "right" to violate the terms of service. You entered into a contract with the service provider which you are in breach of by violating their terms. They too would be in violation of those same terms of service if they failed to deliver what they outline in that TOS. That's the problem though, they provided precisely what they said they would and to what you agreed. If you need more service, then you had better pay for it. |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| reply to yock
Re: ugh
said by yock :I can't wash or nourish myself without water or electricity. Running water and in-home electricity makes those convenient. People managed to wash and nourish themselves just fine before indoor plumbing and electricity were invented. It's only these days that people would be lost with them, because they don't know how to live without them. So based on your comments convenience begets necessity.
I say in a few years people won't be able to function without the Internet even though they could go back to the old way of doing things. And those born after the Internet was invented won't know of any other way.
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The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired. |
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| You removed the qualifying statement in my post that tied this together though the concept of necessity, which is the root of all this to begin with.
I need water, regardless of the delivery mechanism.
I need heat, regardless of the delivery mechanism.
I need to communicate with people, regardless of the delivery mechanism.
You might have had something with the phone company, but I have choices with that. I can get POTS service from my local ILEC, I can get wireless service from a slew of competing providers, or I can get VOIP from a number of sources. More than one or two of those is available to nearly everyone in this country, and the ones who lack availability will lack it in the Internet category, not wireless or POTS.
Your argument breaks down when we talk about necessity, which was my point to begin with. You absolutely do not need the Internet. Even if you did, committing a federal crime is not an acceptable form of protest for unfair contracts. |
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