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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Placebo <A HREF="/useremail/u/1301810"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> It's up to you, the consumer, to determine who gets your money, and how much of it they get.  If you don't agree with the way they do business, then don't give them your damn money.<br><br>Why is that so hard to understand?<br> </div>Because many people live in a world where they are responsible for none of their own actions and where government; corporations; mommy and daddy; and all their friends and neighbors are there to take care of them and make their life easier.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:52:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1301810"><b>Placebo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cao1964 <A HREF="/useremail/u/182856"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Oh please though its agains the law you think companies don't conspire to keep prices high and services as they are.<br><br> </div>No sh*t!<br><br>What do you expect?!  Do you really think that corporations should be angels?  <br><br>I can picture the board meeting at Comcast:<br><br>"Okay folks--how do we go about saving our customers money this month?"<br><br>Sounds crazy, right?  <br><br>I know it can be hard to grasp, but EVERY company wants to take as much of your money as they can.  Period.  It's up to you, the consumer, to determine who gets your money, and how much of it they get.  If you don't agree with the way they do business, then don't give them your damn money.<br><br>Why is that so hard to understand?<br><small>--<br>Who wants an orange whip? Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:45:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/182856"><b>cao1964</b></A> : "Seriously, as a consumer, you get to choose who gets your money. Food, fuel, insurance, mortgage rates, and utility costs aside, YOU determine how much money you GIVE to these "evil corporations".<br>"<br><br>Oh please though its agains the law you think companies don't conspire to keep prices high and services as they are.<br><br>Anyone who has ever gone to an exclusive golf club knows what I mean, business is not done at the office but at the golf course with noone even knowing what is been said and done. <br><br>That said I think that what capitalism is all about, scr*w as many as you can, since they are going to scr*w you also. <br>So if you don't like comcast go to their friend ATT don't like them either, build your own billion dollar business and you will be just like them, smilling as you give it to the people, its just how humans are, more power to Capitalism.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:34:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/182856"><b>cao1964</b></A> : They are very cool, crackers are not.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : All of you idiots that said "why don't they just cancel" ever consider that Comcast may be their only option (nor that Comcast gives a crap if they lose one of their millions of customers)? Comcast exercises their monopoly muscles by allowing service to become crappy and not want to hire enough competent people to fix it in a timely manner (I atleased want it fixed in a few months not 1 year of phone calls and wasting my life for "routine maintenance" to finally fix it). Sometimes a company needs to get it's ass kicked to do something, especially when they are the only company that provides the affordable service that you need. Customers of the company just get stuck in the cross fire occasionally. I'm not condoning what the kid did, but I am agreeing that the general population of Comcast employee's are incompetent or don't have enough power to get something fixed, as with most big corporations. They need to take a little more responsibility when their systems break down. What the smart ass kid should have done was "try" to get a few neighbors with the same gripe and send it off to the local news station with a story of how hard he tried (if at all) to get Comcast to resolve the problem. I wasn't fortunate to have any neighbors that cared enough.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/326902"><b>james</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Nightfall <A HREF="/useremail/u/443491"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Last time I checked 2 wrongs don't make a right.<br> </div>That's an old wives tale.<br><br>Locking someone up for 25 years against their will is wrong, yet it's right when they have done wrong against someone else. Proof that 2 wrongs makes right.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/326902"><b>james</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Necromantik :</small><br><br>Hackers are cool.<br> </div>You saying that made them not cool.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1321857"><b>CConverse</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  dadkins <A HREF="/useremail/u/879997"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This "hacker" needs mommy to slap him.<br> </div>HAHA!<br><br>I 100% agree. If I were his mom I'd slap him for sure.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:28:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/669111"><b>emptywig</b></A> : Are you kidding?  This is not worth the FBI's time.  There is real crime out there - let the FBI deal with that.<br><br>No harm no foul.  This is not a real big deal.<br><br>A little perspective, please.<br><br>wig<br><small>--<br>Please keep your f---ing religion to yourself.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:41:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:16:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/760620"><b>Desdinova</b></A> : "Last time I checked 2 wrongs don't make a right."<br><br>Neither does one. But at least two strikes a balance! :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/129458"><b>KrK</b></A> : Yeah.  *Anyone* who embarrasses of disrupts a corporation using disobedience tactics like protesting, going on strike, Sit-ins, street demonstrations, online demonstrations and internet disobedience (like hacking websites, etc), reveals damaging internal information to the media or posts it on the internet. boycotts, sick-outs, or files lawsuits etc etc should all be thrown straight into prison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br>.... Not.<br><small>--<br>"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 00:07:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/129458"><b>KrK</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  lordofwhee <A HREF="/useremail/u/1496637"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is one of the very few ways the average joe (or in this case, the average hacker joe) can make a statement to a giant corporation that will actually be heard. </div>Agreed, but watch them go to jail now as "Computer Terrorists"...<br><small>--<br>"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 00:01:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/887660"><b>hottboiinnc</b></A> : modsquad- Comcast did NOT buy out the TWC area there. It was an agreement that took place when the two of them took over Adelphia.   One did not buy the other. the system just changed hands. <br><br>Also if you don't like Comcast; sign up with AT$T's shitty DSL service.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:44:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : The reason you enter into a contract is so that the terms don't change. That's the benefit of a contract, not the drawback.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:44:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/722695"><b>VegasMan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You have not been forced into any contract. You entered into it fully aware of the limitations on the service. If you require special needs, then you need to negotiate those needs with them. They can either provide for those needs or they cannot. It still doesn't justify violating the terms.<br><br>You need to find other avenues of fulfillment for those needs.<br> </div>Yes most of us agreed to the contract and we agreed to pay the price associated with said contract. But the one big thing is you and I can't change that contract anytime we want and we can't define it the way we want. The Corps do this all of the time and expect us to just go along with it or just suck it. We have no negotiations.<br><small>--<br>In need of a Vegas vacation.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : why stay with a company youre unhappy with anyway]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1029026"><b>koma3504</b></A> : No they are not]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : people spend millions a year on these hollywood stars and ball players who wouldnt pick you off the street if you fell. whats a comcast problem?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:59:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : we pay millions for football stars who wont give us the time of day, and so called famous movie stARS who dont want us to look at them on the street, because of us they have 4 houses, whats a little comcast problem]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:25:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/405884"><b>hrickpa</b></A> : I live in a comcast area i can not get thier service it would cost me $2,000 to install a line and the service will run me $99.95 a month becaue they have to run a line from the pole to the third floor where I live. I also do not like the invisable caps they have. Comcast's customer service sucks!!!     ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:42:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1173405"><b>braynes</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Qumahlin <A HREF="/useremail/u/489579"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You've clearly have never lived or had an extended visit to NYC.  There is no type of person on the internet that you won't encounter in the city.<br> </div>No I have not ,is there a bounty on this type? <br>Bruce]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:22:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/489579"><b>Qumahlin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haplo2112 <A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As I said earlier my reasons and motivations are my own.  I'm not going in to it, I need to have physical access to the hardware on a basically daily basis.  It is for personal use, there are no conveniently located colo facilities and the ones that are near enough to consider won't host what I need hosted anyway.<br><br>edit: stupid spell checker.<br> </div>In otherwords what your doing is most likely illegal to begin with.  Bottom line is you don't have a "right" to violate a contract.<br><br>You can feel anyway you want about it, but your wrong plain and simple.  If you were taken to court the judge won't see your "right" to admitting that you break a contract you entered into on a daily basis.<br><br>Not that your likely to be caught or go to court, but your attitude about it is amazing.  I really hope that attitude gets carried over to committing a real crime (if your not already) i'd love to see the look on the judges face when your lawyer tells him "your honor my client felt he had a right to break the law because he didn't agree with it in the first place and had no choice..."]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:22:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/489579"><b>Qumahlin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  braynes <A HREF="/useremail/u/1173405"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  braynes <A HREF="/useremail/u/1173405"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Explain to me what you must do on the Internet that you cannot accomplish any other way.<br><br>Listen to you.<br>Bruce<br> </div>Care to elaborate?<br> </div>no place in the world would I ever run in to one like you.<br>Bruce<br> </div>You've clearly have never lived or had an extended visit to NYC.  There is no type of person on the internet that you won't encounter in the city.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:18:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/489579"><b>Qumahlin</b></A> : Comparing the boston tea party to this situation is for all intents and purposes, wrong.  Thier similarity is incredibly vague at best and I agree shows a lack of understanding of why the boston tea party occured if you truly believe it is similar to this situation.<br><small>--<br>Forum Posts:<A HREF="/tracker/489579">7500</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Hackers are cool.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:03:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1092082"><b>Cjaiceman</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  dadkins <A HREF="/useremail/u/879997"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>So, because you or someone else has an issue or a bad experience, doesn't mean we all will.<br><br>This "hacker" needs mommy to slap him.<br>I hope he does time with Bubba!  :D<br> </div>Yea, just because your service sucks doesn't mean we should all have to suffer. I give you my simpathy for your connection and service not being what it should be, but let those of us who enjoy our connection actually enjoy it. <br><br>I also have to side with dadkins because my service has also been superb. Every tech and rep I have talked too has gotten the problem fixed in a reasonable amount of time and with minimal effort. I even dare say their service is decent  :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:59:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/489579"><b>Qumahlin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  kadar <A HREF="/useremail/u/675435"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  devnuller <A HREF="/useremail/u/1365270"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>So negativly impact all their customers... nice move.  <br> </div>Didn't affect me. <br>So where does the "all" come into play?<br> </div>If you pay for a pie, and someone steals a slice, then they have committed a crime.  It doesn't matter if you ended up throwing the pie away and didn't care about the slice in the first place, a crime was still committed against you.<br><br>While you may not use comcast.net or the comcast.net email address, it is still part of the service you are paying for.  Someone removed access to those services that you pay for from you.<br><br>Whether or not you use them is irrelevant to the case.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/489579"><b>Qumahlin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  taar <A HREF="/useremail/u/245654"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I am sure they covered their tracks pretty well before doing this. No doubt they will eventually be caught but i have a feeling it will be from them boasting all over the net instead of a trace of the IP address where the attack originated.<br> </div>They didn't cover their tracks at all.  Also this is not "hacking".  Using social engineering and a "technical flaw" does not a hacker make.  Also notice they never said exploit but rather "flaw" which has me believing that like many secure sites netsol has made the mistake of making it far too easy to reset a password.<br><br>All this kid did was con his way into getting the password to their management console, then redirecting the traffic to a single page.  His attack had no flair, no skill, and his "message" was your typical script kiddy "HAHA LOOK WHAT I DID" drivel.<br><br>If his attack truly had anythng to do with his "shitty service" perhaps he would of actually made a statement...you know actually wrote out a coherent legitimate complaint and redirected the pages to that...perhaps then I would find this interesting.<br><br>All in all this kid is going to be seeing quite the large array of legal fees.  There is no need for a corporation to send someone to jail when it's easier to stall their case in the system and force them into bankruptcy]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1173405"><b>braynes</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  braynes <A HREF="/useremail/u/1173405"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Explain to me what you must do on the Internet that you cannot accomplish any other way.<br><br>Listen to you.<br>Bruce<br> </div>Care to elaborate?<br> </div>no place in the world would I ever run in to one like you.<br>Bruce]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/235981"><b>crischen</b></A> : Why get netzero, it's actually more expensive than cable.<br><br>By the time I pay ATT $27 a month for a landline and then 9.95 for NetZero, I can get Cable internet for 33$.<br><small>--<br>-Kinsey<br>Geeky chix0r</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  braynes <A HREF="/useremail/u/1173405"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Explain to me what you must do on the Internet that you cannot accomplish any other way.<br><br>Listen to you.<br>Bruce<br> </div>Care to elaborate?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1301810"><b>Placebo</b></A> : Did you even read my post?  I explicitly noted that we don't have control over fuel prices and mortgage rates, utilities, etc...<br><br>The choices you do have:  you can buy a fuel efficient vehicle, you can live in a less expensive house, you can get the lower-tiered internet plan, you can go without a data package on you cell phone, you can cancel your subscription to Netflix.  YOU control the amount you pay because YOU determine which package you sign up for.  I'm no "*smacktard*", my eloquent friend.  I'm a smart consumer.  <br><br>Guess what: TV and Internet are not necessities.  Even if they are, you can get broadcast channels for free, and NetZero is willing to give you a dial-up account for $9.99 , so don't tell me that I'm the one drinking the Kool-Aid.  <br><br>If there is a sucker on this board, it's you: you're the one that's been convinced that you MUST have a triple-play package, and that you MUST purchase a house instead of renting.  Don't blame me for your turning into a corporate whore.<br><small>--<br>Who wants an orange whip? Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : "I think the analogy is distasteful and demonstrates a lack of understanding of the founding of this country. But nevermind that."<br><br>Neverminding!  I was being somewhat extremist there anyway.  However I do have a very strong grounding in and understanding on US history.  Its one of the reasons that the present state of things in the country annoys the crap out of me!<br><br>"Cancelling your service is good protest." <br> <br>Again not an option.<br><br>"Encouraging others to do the same is great protest." <br><br>Still not an option, and those around me do not as a general rule require what I require and are happy with what they get.  Those that are in my situation do not have the option since we have only one choice, if its something you have to have, you can't just toss it away, its not a valid form of protest, I argue in that case the entity you are protesting against wins if you just go away.<br><br>"Alerting the media to restrictive and unfair contracts is valid protest."<br><br>Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, used it as a dish rag, they don't care!<br><br>"Violating the terms of your contract is not a good protest."<br><br>You know what I totally agree, but if its the only form of protest that can get the sleeping dragon to pay attention for 5 minutes, and its all ya got!<br><br>"Common and commercial law doesn't allow you to protest a contract of which you are in breach."<br><br>In the letter of the law probably not, but history is rife with examples where it has worked.  Happens in contract law and labor negotiations all the time.  Party A of the contract is getting screwed by Party B.  Party A violates contract, Party B takes them to court (or similar legal entity) over it.  They argue their points some one wins, admittedly not always Party A, but sometimes.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1173405"><b>braynes</b></A> : Explain to me what you must do on the Internet that you cannot accomplish any other way.<br><br>Listen to you.<br>Bruce]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Who gets to set the price? Last time I checked gas was at $3.70+ a gallon. If I get to set the price then I want to pay .01c a gallon. <br><br>You only think you get to set the prices, you don't even get to set the price for your mortgage, and I know before you say it, well then don't buy it.. But I have to have some place to live *smacktard*. It is a shell game while you are so busy looking here they raise rates over there. And before you know it you are paying $3plus for a gallon of gas and $100+ for TV and internet. But keep drinking the governments kool-aid. I guess a sucker really IS born every minute.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1266062"><b>Ulmo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  devnuller <A HREF="/useremail/u/1365270"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>"I wasn't even really thinking. Plus, I'm just so mad at Comcast. I'm tired of their shitty service."<br><br>So negativly impact all their customers...</div>No kidding.  I was checking for voicemails from attorneys and rental opportunities, and there was a delay in me figuring out how to get my voicemails.<br><br>Luckily:<br><br>1.  I figured out how to get in using the text replacement they put up before I ran out of time budgeted for checking my voicemail.<br>2.  No one left any messages, obviating the need to log in.<br><br>Yes, Comcast should have better security, but fact of the matter is that now my ISP will be expending resources on making things bitchier rather than improving service, since most corporate security programs these days tend to be based upon bitchifying things more.<br><br>In other words, their prank had the potential to cause real serious problems in peoples' lives.  It didn't in mine, but it was extremely close to doing so.  I wouldn't be surprised if it actually did for others.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Nightfall <A HREF="/useremail/u/443491"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Last time I checked 2 wrongs don't make a right.<br> </div>But 3 do!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : As I said earlier my reasons and motivations are my own.  I'm not going in to it, I need to have physical access to the hardware on a basically daily basis.  It is for personal use, there are no conveniently located colo facilities and the ones that are near enough to consider won't host what I need hosted anyway.<br><br>edit: stupid spell checker.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haplo2112 <A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It doesn't matter if you like the analogy or not, it amounts to the same thing.  The Corporations have become our oppressors in this day and age.  It is our right as citizens in a at least nominally free country to protest against that oppression.  <br> </div>I think the analogy is distasteful and demonstrates a lack of understanding of the founding of this country. But nevermind that.<br><br>Yes, you have every right to protest, but protest must be done legally or it's hypocritical and meaningless. Cancelling your service is good protest. Encouraging others to do the same is great protest. Alerting the media to restrictive and unfair contracts is valid protest. Violating the terms of your contract is not a good protest.<br><br>Common and commercial law doesn't allow you to protest a contract of which you are in breach.<br><small>--<br>Laughter is the closest distance between two people. --Victor Borge<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/pubgames">Lynch All Liars</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : It doesn't matter if you like the analogy or not, it amounts to the same thing.  The Corporations have become our oppressors in this day and age.  It is our right as citizens in a at least nominally free country to protest against that oppression.  Further still they do so with the support and permission of government.  When was the last time a major issue that came down to whats best for the citizen or what's best for the corporation, went in the citizens favor.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : Why do you need to host your own personal server? Lease your own hosting space from one of the many reputable hosting companies. They have terms of service more in-line with your needs anyway.<br><br>What else are you doing that requires that you "flog the line 24/7?"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : "You have not been forced into any contract. You entered into it fully aware of the limitations on the service. If you require special needs, then you need to negotiate those needs with them. They can either provide for those needs or they cannot. It still doesn't justify violating the terms.<br><br>You need to find other avenues of fulfillment for those needs."<br><br>Yes, I have been forced into a contract, they are they only option for me to get what I need, and they will not negotiate on price, service level, and terms of service.<br>Therefore I do what I must to get what I need!  Flog the line for all its worth 24/7 and host a personal use server.  And no for the purposes of what I do I cannot co-locate, its not an option.<br><br>Just to be clear on all of this my ISP is not Comcast since we are in a Comcast thread!  And I do not condone what these hackers did in any way.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haplo2112 <A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>"Your argument breaks down when we talk about necessity, which was my point to begin with. You absolutely do not need the Internet. Even if you did, committing a federal crime is not an acceptable form of protest for unfair contracts."<br><br>Worked for the Boston Tea Party!<br> </div>Your answer to all of this is to justify violating a voluntary private contract by comparing it to a revolution against compulsory and violently enforced unfair taxation?<br><br>Go back to school.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : You have not been forced into any contract. You entered into it fully aware of the limitations on the service. If you require special needs, then you need to negotiate those needs with them. They can either provide for those needs or they cannot. It still doesn't justify violating the terms.<br><br>You need to find other avenues of fulfillment for those needs.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : "Your argument breaks down when we talk about necessity, which was my point to begin with. You absolutely do not need the Internet. Even if you did, committing a federal crime is not an acceptable form of protest for unfair contracts."<br><br>Worked for the Boston Tea Party!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : "Then I don't believe you."<br><br>Whatever<br><br>"You do not, however, have a "right" to violate the terms of service. You entered into a contract with the service provider which you are in breach of by violating their terms. They too would be in violation of those same terms of service if they failed to deliver what they outline in that TOS. That's the problem though, they provided precisely what they said they would and to what you agreed. If you need more service, then you had better pay for it."<br><br>They will not sell what I want at any price.  They will not negotiate on contract terms.  I am being forced into a contract that I do not agree with, in order to even have a chance to get what I need.  If they would sell me what I want and/or offer to negotiate on the terms of the contract then perhaps you might have a point.  However since that is not the case then your point is invalid.<br><br>Personally I'd rather work with in the system as you seem to be suggesting, however then system makes no provision for me to do so, therefore I must violate the system.  Its a precept upon which our country was built, so I feel fairly justified.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1114057"><b>AtomicZero</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Morac <A HREF="/useremail/u/464721"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I can't wash or nourish myself without water or electricity. Running water and in-home electricity makes those <b>convenient</b>. <br></div>People managed to wash and nourish themselves just fine before indoor plumbing and electricity were invented.  It's only these days that people would be lost with them, because they don't know how to live without them.  So based on your comments convenience begets necessity.<br><br>I say in a few years people won't be able to function without the Internet even though they could go back to the old way of doing things.  And those born after the Internet was invented won't know of any other way.<br> </div>No matter which way you wanna cut it. the PC/internet access [and most definitely High Speed Internet] is a luxury item....don't get it twisted.....and I'm sure that little hacker was just irate cuz he couldn't download his 500TB of illegal Pr0n or his YouTub videos weren't playing fast enough.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : You removed the qualifying statement in my post that tied this together though the concept of necessity, which is the root of all this to begin with.<br><br>I need water, regardless of the delivery mechanism.<br>I need heat, regardless of the delivery mechanism.<br>I need to communicate with people, regardless of the delivery mechanism.<br><br>You might have had something with the phone company, but I have choices with that. I can get POTS service from my local ILEC, I can get wireless service from a slew of competing providers, or I can get VOIP from a number of sources. More than one or two of those is available to nearly everyone in this country, and the ones who lack availability will lack it in the <b>Internet</b> category, not wireless or POTS.<br><br><i>Your argument breaks down when we talk about necessity, which was my point to begin with. You absolutely do not <b>need</b> the Internet. Even if you did, committing a federal crime is not an acceptable form of protest for unfair contracts.</i>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/464721"><b>Morac</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I can't wash or nourish myself without water or electricity. Running water and in-home electricity makes those <b>convenient</b>. <br></div>People managed to wash and nourish themselves just fine before indoor plumbing and electricity were invented.  It's only these days that people would be lost with them, because they don't know how to live without them.  So based on your comments convenience begets necessity.<br><br>I say in a few years people won't be able to function without the Internet even though they could go back to the old way of doing things.  And those born after the Internet was invented won't know of any other way.<br><small>--<br><br><A HREF="http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,10084297~mode=flat">The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired</a>.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haplo2112 <A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Actually no I could not decide that, Internet access at my home is a requirement.  I refuse to go into the pile of details of why, I feel its enough to say that it is required.</div>Then I don't believe you.<br><br><div class="bquote">Further more its my right to whine, bitch moan, scream and violate TOS/AUP to get what I need out of the internet connection.  If they will not sell me what I need then I will take it however I can.  NOTE: I am not hacking the connection or messing with their infrastructure in any way, just flogging the connection 24/7 doing what I need to do with it.<br> </div>Of course it's your right to whine and complain, no discounting that. It's also my right to call you out on it as being petty and unproductive. See, you and I both have rights of expression.<br><br>You do not, however, have a "right" to violate the terms of service. You entered into a contract with the service provider which you are in breach of by violating their terms. They too would be in violation of those same terms of service if they failed to deliver what they outline in that TOS. That's the problem though, they provided precisely what they said they would and to what you agreed. If you need more service, then you had better pay for it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Morac <A HREF="/useremail/u/464721"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Why is it a necessity? I can still buy groceries, order any pay for services, get medical treatment, buy real estate and real property, and anything else separate from the Internet. </div>I'll reverse the question.  You can do any of those things without indoor plumbing, phone service or electric power.  So why are those considered necessities, but Internet isn't?<br> </div>I can't wash or nourish myself without water or electricity. Running water and in-home electricity makes those convenient. Furthermore, I don't have a beef with my water, electric, or telephone service. Suffice it to say that if I did have a beef with one of those providers then I'd probably have better grounds for necessity than against an ISP.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1275838"><b>JamesPC</b></A> : I second that dadkins. "Slap him", someone!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/464721"><b>Morac</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Why is it a necessity? I can still buy groceries, order any pay for services, get medical treatment, buy real estate and real property, and anything else separate from the Internet. </div>I'll reverse the question.  You can do any of those things without indoor plumbing, phone service or electric power.  So why are those considered necessities, but Internet isn't?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : Actually no I could not decide that, Internet access at my home is a requirement.  I refuse to go into the pile of details of why, I feel its enough to say that it is required.<br><br>Further more its my right to whine, bitch moan, scream and violate TOS/AUP to get what I need out of the internet connection.  If they will not sell me what I need then I will take it however I can.  NOTE: I am not hacking the connection or messing with their infrastructure in any way, just flogging the connection 24/7 doing what I need to do with it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:22:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : Yes actually I do!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:17:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/675435"><b>kadar</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Explain to me what you must do on the Internet that you cannot accomplish any other way.<br> </div>Be a pain in your ass. ;)<br><small>--<br>The Revolutionary War was fought over a 14% tax, what % are you paying now?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:01:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Morac <A HREF="/useremail/u/464721"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>So, you absolutely need broadband Internet access? Then you'd better get used to dealing with the terms of use put forth by companies like Comcast. As long as you need their service then you'll have to abide by the terms of what's available.<br><br>Or you could decide you don't need broadband and cancel your service.<br> </div>In this day and age the Internet has pretty much become a necessity and dial-up doesn't cut it.  If you tell people to cancel their Internet access, you might as well also tell them to cancel their phone and power service as well.<br> </div>Why is it a necessity? I can still buy groceries, order any pay for services, get medical treatment, buy real estate and real property, and anything else separate from the Internet.<br><br>Explain to me what you must do on the Internet that you cannot accomplish any other way.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:52:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/429566"><b>Jason Levine</b></A> : I've got to agree.  It isn't like the kids were messing around and accidentally got Comcast's DNS transferred to them.  They:<br><br>1. Saw a vulnerability<br>2. Actively exploited it to gain control of 200 Comcast domain names<br>3. Watched as the domain was transferred back to Comcast<br>4. Exploited the vulnerability to gain control of the domain names for a second time<br>5. Reported the situation to Comcast<br>and, when the manager (called at home, no less) laughed at those kids on the phone claiming to have taken control of the Comcast domain name,<br>6. Decided to hurt Comcast to soothe their anger by redirecting the domain names to a server under the hackers' control<br><br>The background given on the kids is interesting.  Both have been arrested before.  One even thought he would be arrested this time so he slept in his clothes.  (Apparently, last time he was sleeping nude or something.  Talk about TMI!)  They are both high school dropouts.  "Defiant" apparently "assaulted" his school's resource office after being caught in the possession of narcotics.  Real mature reaction there, but pretty much seems in line with his reaction to the Comcast manager.<br><br>They even don't seem remorseful for what they've done.  Yes, they seem to fear jail time a bit, but when asked whether they would attack anyone else in a similar manner, they responded "Who knows. Only Kryogeniks [their hacking group] knows."  Plus the article described them as going "freely between jubilant excitement over the impact of their attack, and fatalism that they would soon be arrested for it."  That doesn't sound like anything close to remorse for doing something that financially impacted thousands if not millions of people.<br><br>These kids deserve a little lesson in Real Life.  Namely that actions have consequences and if you take something from someone, you *will* be punished for it no matter how much you claim it was in retaliation for poor service.<br><small>--<br>-Jason Levine<br><b>Support a children's charity.  Buy a calendar.</b>  <A HREF="http://www.ShootingForACause.com/2008/">Shooting For A Cause</a><br><A HREF="http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/">Jason's Toolbox</a> | <A HREF="http://www.PCQandA.com/">PCQandA.com</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/757400"><b>Modsquad</b></A> : +1!<br><br>Yock isn't seeing that we are getting ripped off by not getting what we are being paid for. Sure we can cancel, but where's the refund of our money spent on service that never delivered what was advertised?<br><br>Road Runner was able to deliver what they advertised & give adequate customer support & service, Comcast could do it if they'd reach behind them & pull their heads out of their arses. Luckily, I do have a few other choices for my connection, not that all of them would work as well as Comcast IF they actually got it to work as it should!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/189562"><b>moonpuppy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I hope the FBI tracks them down and throws their sorry butts in prison. We'll see if they are still laughing then.<br> </div>Funny how when a private citizen does something like this you want to lock them up and throw away the key yet when a corporation does this, you want to give a free pass to them.   :uhh:]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:22:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/464721"><b>Morac</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>So, you absolutely need broadband Internet access? Then you'd better get used to dealing with the terms of use put forth by companies like Comcast. As long as you need their service then you'll have to abide by the terms of what's available.<br><br>Or you could decide you don't need broadband and cancel your service.<br> </div>In this day and age the Internet has pretty much become a necessity and dial-up doesn't cut it.  If you tell people to cancel their Internet access, you might as well also tell them to cancel their phone and power service as well.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:19:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/610170"><b>Youngjm</b></A> : He can look on the bright side, he won't be a Comcast customer for very long!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:11:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  haplo2112 <A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>"Another thing they could have done was just cancel service."<br><br>WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT!<br><br>In most of the country nobody can just cancel service.  ISP's are a monopoly just about everywhere.  There is one count 'em ONE broadband provider for whatever area in which they live.  So therefore we have to hope, beg and plead for the one choice we have to offer us what we want or need from an ISP.<br> </div>So, you absolutely need broadband Internet access? Then you'd better get used to dealing with the terms of use put forth by companies like Comcast. As long as you need their service then you'll have to abide by the terms of what's available.<br><br>Or you could decide you don't need broadband and cancel your service.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810814"><b>haplo2112</b></A> : "Another thing they could have done was just cancel service."<br><br>WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT!<br><br>In most of the country nobody can just cancel service.  ISP's are a monopoly just about everywhere.  There is one count 'em ONE broadband provider for whatever area in which they live.  So therefore we have to hope, beg and plead for the one choice we have to offer us what we want or need from an ISP.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : Me too.  I had a few irate, cussing, "were losing 10 billion dollars a second" customers that were mad as hell because a couple of "important" emails were bounced during this.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:34:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Modsquad <A HREF="/useremail/u/757400"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You must not have ever tried to rationally resolve an issue with Comcast. It's next to impossible.</div>An irrational response to an irrational situation is still irrational. The mature thing to do would be to cancel service. As it stands, this young man simply committed a federal crime trying to make his point. In the process, he contributed to the very problem that drive him to commit the crime.<br><br>How's that for stupid?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:26:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1335724"><b>Chuckles</b></A> : If it's okay for an old bat to come into a lobbby with a hammer then it's okay for someone to deface the website.  Unfortunately customers were affected for a very short time.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:21:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I hope the FBI tracks them down</div>Shouldn't be too difficult if the kid actually did call the Comcast tech rep at his house regarding the domain transfer.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:42:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/757400"><b>Modsquad</b></A> : I'm not justifying what the kid did, interfering with everyone else's service is in no way the right thing to do, but rather I know how insane dealing with inept customer service people can make you feel. They have been driving me batty! Do I want to throw my comcast devices into the street & run them over with my Jeep? Yes! Do I want to make everyone else as mad as me by interrupting their service? No.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1530301"><b>Corydon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  taar <A HREF="/useremail/u/245654"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I am sure they covered their tracks pretty well before doing this. No doubt they will eventually be caught but i have a feeling it will be from them boasting all over the net instead of a trace of the IP address where the attack originated.<br> </div>They aren't all that bright...they've already let slip that they have Comcast service, which narrows it down quite a bit (I suppose they might be former customers but people who've already left don't get this pissed off at the company).<br><br>Plus, they've revealed they called this engineer guy.  How hard do you think it will be to track down where that call originated from?<br><br>Edit:  These guys are dumber than I thought.  The Wired News article has a picture of one of them hitting a bong.<br><br>I suppose they could be truly devious&mdash;maybe they're disgruntled 'torrenters from Sweden who have never had Comcast services, know their way around the PSTN well enough to disguise their tracks and set up fake MySpace profiles all as part of an elaborate ruse.  I think it's far more likely that they are dumb kids who happen to know a thing or two about DNS.<br><br><small>--<br>My opinions are my own.  No-one else would want them!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214274"><b>russotto</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  lordofwhee <A HREF="/useremail/u/1496637"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is one of the very few ways the average joe (or in this case, the average hacker joe) can make a statement to a giant corporation that will actually be heard.<br> </div>It's either that, or take an ax down to the local office.<br><br>You know the old saying about training a mule... first you hit it as hard as you can with a 2x4; that's to get its attention.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/675435"><b>kadar</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  devnuller <A HREF="/useremail/u/1365270"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>So negativly impact all their customers... nice move.  <br> </div>Didn't affect me. <br>So where does the "all" come into play?<br><small>--<br>The Revolutionary War was fought over a 14% tax, what % are you paying now?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:47:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/443491"><b>Nightfall</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Modsquad <A HREF="/useremail/u/757400"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You must not have ever tried to rationally resolve an issue with Comcast. It's next to impossible. Here in the Houston metro area, we had Time Warner/Road Runner service & they were bought out by Comcrap...errr, Comcast and let me tell you, the service is night & day different. It took them two weeks just to call me back to tell me if I could even get service in my subdivision that's at least 6 years old and I have friends down the street with their service. Then trying to get my own cable modem (which was the exact same model as the ones they hand out at the store front) I couldn't even get it online, for at least 4 weeks now....and I go get one of theirs, and it doesn't work about 90% of the time because the tech that came out initially didn't balance the connection or check for interference.<br><br>I have been transferred to every department & it never got resolved....I've went thru a few thousand 'roll over' minutes I had stored up on my cell phone....(i don't have a land line) so yes, it's VERY frustrating having to call back & get some NEW moron & having to spend countless amounts of time RE-explaining the situation because they are not adept enough to escalate you to someone that CAN fix the damn problem or at least have someone contact you that can.<br><br>I don't know HOW the hell they stay in business with the crappy customer service they have.<br> </div>Last time I checked 2 wrongs don't make a right.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/879997"><b>dadkins</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Modsquad <A HREF="/useremail/u/757400"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You must not have ever tried to rationally resolve an issue with Comcast. It's next to impossible. <br><br>...<br><br> </div>I have. They did quite well unf**cking the issue.<br>Modem snafu and ARRIS not being able to cope with Blast.<br>They sorted it out and I fly.<br>Ask anyone here!  ;)<br><br>So, because you or someone else has an issue or a bad experience, doesn't mean we all will.<br><br>This "hacker" needs mommy to slap him.<br>I hope he does time with Bubba!  :D<br><small>--<br>Think outside the Fox... <A HREF="http://www.opera.com/">Opera</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1550345"><b>HeyNow</b></A> : i am with you TK, and people wonder why comcast has such a bad name. There are plenty of people out there that could not access there email or the comcast.net home page and all they know is that comcast's having problems again not knowing that some morons were hacking the site. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/639017"><b>halfband</b></A> : Actually they appear to have done it without any real thought to the consequences.  No real covering of the tracks at all.  Fortunately they were only trying to piss off comcast.  They could have very easily created a massive security breach in the comcast system [proxy servers, collecting information, trojan installs].  Comcast and basically anyone who uses network solutions dodged a bullet on this one.<br><small>--<br>Registered Bandwidth Offender #40812</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1301810"><b>Placebo</b></A> : I'm a victim of the damn corporations!<br><br>Seriously, as a consumer, you get to choose who gets your money.  Food, fuel, insurance, mortgage rates, and utility costs aside, YOU determine how much money you GIVE to these "evil corporations".<br><br>Why is everyone a victim?<br><small>--<br>Who wants an orange whip? Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:32:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/245654"><b>taar</b></A> : I am sure they covered their tracks pretty well before doing this. No doubt they will eventually be caught but i have a feeling it will be from them boasting all over the net instead of a trace of the IP address where the attack originated.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:31:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/464721"><b>Morac</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  lordofwhee <A HREF="/useremail/u/1496637"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is one of the very few ways the average joe (or in this case, the average hacker joe) can make a statement to a giant corporation that will actually be heard.<br> </div>It's a shame that you have to do something that will put you in prison in order to get Comcast to listen to you.<br><small>--<br><br><A HREF="http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,10084297~mode=flat">The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired</a>.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:24:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/757400"><b>Modsquad</b></A> : You must not have ever tried to rationally resolve an issue with Comcast. It's next to impossible. Here in the Houston metro area, we had Time Warner/Road Runner service & they were bought out by Comcrap...errr, Comcast and let me tell you, the service is night & day different. It took them two weeks just to call me back to tell me if I could even get service in my subdivision that's at least 6 years old and I have friends down the street with their service. Then trying to get my own cable modem (which was the exact same model as the ones they hand out at the store front) I couldn't even get it online, for at least 4 weeks now....and I go get one of theirs, and it doesn't work about 90% of the time because the tech that came out initially didn't balance the connection or check for interference.<br><br>I have been transferred to every department & it never got resolved....I've went thru a few thousand 'roll over' minutes I had stored up on my cell phone....(i don't have a land line) so yes, it's VERY frustrating having to call back & get some NEW moron & having to spend countless amounts of time RE-explaining the situation because they are not adept enough to escalate you to someone that CAN fix the damn problem or at least have someone contact you that can.<br><br>I don't know HOW the hell they stay in business with the crappy customer service they have.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:08:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  devnuller <A HREF="/useremail/u/1365270"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>"I wasn't even really thinking. Plus, I'm just so mad at Comcast. I'm tired of their shitty service."<br><br>So negativly impact all their customers... nice move.  Another thing they could have done was just cancel service.<br> </div>I hope the FBI tracks them down and throws their sorry butts in prison. We'll see if they are still laughing then.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:50:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  lordofwhee <A HREF="/useremail/u/1496637"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is one of the very few ways the average joe (or in this case, the average hacker joe) can make a statement to a giant corporation that will actually be heard.<br> </div>The only thing anyone hears from this is that some kid can't resolve his problems rationally.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:41:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1171845"><b>JSRoman</b></A> : Safe to say their service will be canceled pretty soon or more like their parent's service will be canceled and they won't be very happy. I see a very bright future for these 2 idiots. <br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.seabee.navy.mil" >www.seabee.navy.mil</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:25:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/735125"><b>kingofdsl</b></A> : Although questionable whether going to jail for Federal crimes is worth the effort I am not surprised by people getting to this point of fed up with not just Comcast but all the corporations wringing more and more money out of the American consumer promising the world and delivering peanuts.<br><br>There will be a lot more of this]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:25:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1496637"><b>lordofwhee</b></A> : This is one of the very few ways the average joe (or in this case, the average hacker joe) can make a statement to a giant corporation that will actually be heard.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:24:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1365270"><b>devnuller</b></A> : "I wasn't even really thinking. Plus, I'm just so mad at Comcast. I'm tired of their shitty service."<br><br>So negativly impact all their customers... nice move.  Another thing they could have done was just cancel service.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 09:18:25 EDT</pubDate>
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