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Dish has got to get its DVR act together

Dish has got to get its DVR act together. Losing the distant channels really hurt, if they lose DVR capability, Dish will lose the vast majority of DVR users.
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permalink · 2008-05-31 15:57:51 · Reply to this

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Re: Dish has got to get its DVR act together

This is gonna be fun lets see what happens next.
permalink · 2008-05-31 16:20:04 · Reply to this

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 I suspect at worse Dish will be forced to cough up royalty payments, both for current and past subscribers. There is no way Dish will just roll over and cut off all DVR features of their receivers when all appeals have been exhausted.

As a longtime Dish customer I actually think their DVR has come a long way and surpasses most cable companies and Verizon FIOS's DVRs, especially with their introduction of name-based recordings over the last several months.
permalink · 2008-05-31 18:13:53 · Reply to this

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Re: Dish has got to get its DVR act together

said by v35_pilot See Profile :

I suspect at worse Dish will be forced to cough up royalty payments, both for current and past subscribers. There is no way Dish will just roll over and cut off all DVR features of their receivers when all appeals have been exhausted.
Dish is currently violating an injunction against it to shut down their DVRS. The injunction took affect earlier this month (after Dish lost the appeal against TiVo's lawsuit). As it stands now, there will be a contempt of court hearing on September 4th where it's expected heavy fines will be slapped on Dish for failing to comply with the injunction.

If Dish was going to settle, you'd think it would have done so already.
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permalink · 2008-05-31 22:15:32 · Print · Reply to this

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said by pandora See Profile :

Dish has got to get its DVR act together. Losing the distant channels really hurt, if they lose DVR capability, Dish will lose the vast majority of DVR users.
They will not lose customers over that. Cable Company DVR's suck (Cablevision is probably the worst) and they still have plenty of customers and the Cable Companies get to charge insane fees for the DVR's. Cablevision charges nearly $17/month for it's DVR which doesn't have nearly as much functionality or user friendliness as the Tivos do.
permalink · 2008-05-31 22:11:04 · Print · Reply to this

KrK
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permalink · 2008-06-01 12:25:45 · Reply to this
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Re: Dish has got to get its DVR act together

said by KrK See Profile :

Dish HAS their act together. It's these leeches like Tivo who want to say "We own the DVR", you can't make your own, we'll sue" that need to be slapped around.
I tend to agree with your sentiment. Unfortunately the courts do not agree with either of us.

The last time Dish pushed an issue around, it lost distant network access for many customers. If Dish doesn't get it's legal act together, it risks more sanctions. Last time they lost distant networks, my comment was more along the lines of if they're not careful, and if history repeats, they could lose all DVR capability as the result of a courts injunction.

I'd rather not see Dish Network taken out of the DVR business by order of a court. If this were to happen, it'll be a disaster for Dish and their customers.
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Re: Dish has got to get its DVR act together

Dish didn't push the issue, the broadcasters sued. Dish fought hard to save the distant networks but lost due to lobbyist $$$$ IMHO.

Same thing here. Tivo wants DISH to pay them a lot of money. Dish has developed their own DVR's from scratch, and don't want to raise subscribers rates.

So they fight the extortion attempt.

DISH isn't the bad guy here.
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permalink · 2008-06-01 13:09:23 · Print · Reply to this
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I don't think Dish is the bad guy, it is surprising to read you apparently rebutting that impression. At the same time, Dish has got to work with the court system and avoid antagonizing where possible. Dish lost distant networks when it fought in court, and may be risking the loss of DVR functionality if it cannot positively resolve the current situation. My hope is Dish will resolve this without damaging DVR support.
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permalink · 2008-06-01 13:21:01 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: Dish has got to get its DVR act together

My point is Dish didn't make a mistake "fighting in Court". They took Distant networks from Dish, Dish HAD to fight to try and save it.... and lost.
permalink · 2008-06-01 18:25:26 · Reply to this
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