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Re: Can we block the reset packets?

said by MxxCon See Profile :

you know perfectly well
With respect, your unnecessary attitude toward others does not promote friendliness. You called the previous poster's idea idiotic and you're being condescending to me.

In this case, you misunderstand how RST works. These are just facts, nobody wins or loses on the strength of their debating skills. It is whatever it is. We both learn about it by being here.

said by MxxCon See Profile :

if the far end crashed, it wouldn't generate RST. it wouldn't generate anything at all.
Right, but when network devices crash, they often reboot. When they come back up with no memory of the pre-crash states, then start receiving TCP packets on a closed port, they send RST in response.

This specific example is explained in RFC 793, Figure 11 (either page 34 or 35).

said by MxxCon See Profile :

RST would be generated if far end decided to close the existing connection, which can be a valid request.
If the far end decided to end the existing connection, FIN should be sent, not RST.

Anything is possible (there's an older Microsoft webserver that sends RST to kill the FIN's TIME_WAIT interval), but these exceptions are rare and usually pointed out as mistaken implementations.

said by MxxCon See Profile :

some bittorrent clients want to connect only to seeds, so the moment they see it's not a seed, they will abort such connection generating RST. blocking such packets will break your application
As said above, FIN not RST, is what should be sent. FIN completes the connection gracefully. RST can cause the loss of sent-but-unacknowledged data.

You can see this using Wireshark.
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Well, looking at the RFC it seems like we should not receive a RST while the connection is in the ESTABLISHED STATE. So, maybe we can drop RST if ESTABLISHED?

Anyone know how to make iptables do that?

And I assume I am not 100% correct!
It just can't be that easy.


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said by Hehe :

Well, looking at the RFC it seems like we should not receive a RST while the connection is in the ESTABLISHED STATE. So, maybe we can drop RST if ESTABLISHED?

Anyone know how to make iptables do that?

And I assume I am not 100% correct!
It just can't be that easy.
RFC 793, Figure 11 would happen with one end in the Established state, thinking it was in a full-open connection when it actually is only in a half-open connection due to the remote host's reboot.
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