Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20574784 en Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:08 EDT Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:08 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20582343 karpodiem : Still waiting for someone to take me up on my bet though.

Talk is cheap. :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20582343 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:33:25 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20581729 anon :
said by karpodiem See Profile :

My point this is; I wouldn't underestimate Apple's ability to dominate this market segment in a couple years.
Nah. Just becase it's a great piece of technology doesn't mean it will come out on top. If that were true, Macs will be the only personal computing platform in the world, and Bill Gates will be working for Jobs.

tmh]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20581729 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:49:30 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20577369 en102 : I couldn't agree more. $200 - I might pay if I could justify it.
+$400 - I could purchase a laptop.
The worst part is that its tied into a specific data plan ... you can't just disable the data portion and go Wifi unless you purchase an unlocked/hacked device.
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iPhone is also severely overpriced. It may be quite functional, but there's no way to justify paying what amounts to a car payment for a cellular phone; not when a BlackBerry costs roughly half that and does 95% of what the iPhone does.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20577191 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:24:07 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20576320 NOCMan :
said by jester121 See Profile :

Apple has no choice but to gain market share -- a year ago they had 0% market share in mobile phones.

Dropping from 26% to 19% of new phone sales really doesn't indicate "steaming ahead" does it?

I think once the summer release comes out and makes its impact on the market, we'll see that the people who want an Apple phone already have one, and sales will slump.
You obviously do not understand the market. Sales will begin to tail off after X months for two reasons, new products in the market and a product refresh. Selling 1 out of 5 iPhones is nothing to sneeze at when most stores carry over 50 different phone models. It's not like there's lack of choice. The iPhone will most likely blow away figures here in a few weeks. The prepositioning of billions in hardware is a sure sign of Apple's confidence that these new phones will sell despite that many who wanted a iPhone have one. That means Apple knows that there will A be a lot of upgraders, and B a bunch of new users.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20576320 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:35:21 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20576303 NOCMan :
said by jester121 See Profile :

Huh? This is talking about sales, not handsets in use.
It's skewed either way you look at it. Technically the iPhone is only available to 30% of the US market.

Lets look at a market segment that matters. Teenagers and young adults reportedly 60% of them either have a iPhone or plan on purchasing one. I doubt 5% of that group even has a blackberry unless they're geeky enough to carry one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20576303 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:29:47 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20576231 vincar : Apples ability to dominate?

Aside from the ipod, in which other markets has apple been able to dominate?
I love Apple and Steve Job's visionary insight. Although not the first to market an MP3 player, they made is easy to use and download music and sales took off when it was PC compatible.
I just do see lightning striking twice in such a competitive an undefined segment.
How, who and when the mobile handset market place shakes is still yet to be unseen.
Blackberry is in a great place as the leader and corporate Americas buy in.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20576231 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:39:45 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20575886 dvd536 :
said by Loco See Profile :

The Blackberry is a much better device.

We have 4 of them in our household.
BB also isn't locked down to the crappiest network in america[cingular by any other name stinks as bad(currently A T & T)]
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said by Loco See Profile :

The Blackberry is a much better device.

We have 4 of them in our household.
Well, the fact that Loco See Profile has 4 Blackberrys in his household is certainly indicative of it being a "much better device"! ;)

I'm just kidding of course, but it would be nice if you provided more to the discussion, such as *why* you find it to be a much better choice. Personally, I find the UI on the iPhone to be hands-down superior to anything Blackberry is currently offering, though I recognize that the iPhone is currently crippled as far as corporate use goes (with regards to security concerns like remotely wiping the device).

I think the 2.0 firmware, which addresses the above issue as well as adding support for Push email, will greatly close the gap between the iPhone and Blackberry in corporate environments. And, at least in my company, it seems that many users *want* an iPhone but *must* use a Blackberry. Give an chance to switch over (which firmware 2.0 may provide), they would pick up an iPhone in a heartbeat.

Apple's ability to dominate a market such as this certainly cannot be underestimated. I can see them offering multiple models throughout a much larger price range in a few years (or sooner!) much like they've done with the iPhone. Apple is a strong brand in the minds of many young buyers, while Blackberry doesn't have such an advantage. Perhaps we'll see iPod-like dominance in a few years? :)

All IMHO, of course.
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Blackberries are available on all carriers.
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Dropping from 26% to 19% of new phone sales really doesn't indicate "steaming ahead" does it?

I think once the summer release comes out and makes its impact on the market, we'll see that the people who want an Apple phone already have one, and sales will slump. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573638 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:05:06 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573232 karpodiem : My point this is; I wouldn't underestimate Apple's ability to dominate this market segment in a couple years.

We can argue how awesome or overrated the iPhone (or the iPhone vs. "X" phone) until the cows come home, but the fact remains that Apple is steaming ahead and gaining marketshare in new areas at the expense of its competitors. While they are both shipping more units than before, I strongly believe that Apple will take marketshare from RIMM.

I've been both an Apple put and call holder, however I've made much more off my calls than puts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573232 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:08:02 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573231 Loco : The Blackberry is a much better device.

We have 4 of them in our household.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573231 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:07:27 EDT Re: How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573217 jester121 : Huh? This is talking about sales, not handsets in use. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573217 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:03:43 EDT How long have iPhones been on the market? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573198 karpodiem : About a year, right?

Maybe let's revisit this in another year, or two. I bet things will look a bit differently.

In fact anyone willing to bet that they ship less than 10.5 million phones worldwide a year from now, please let me know, I'm sure we can arrange something.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20573198 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:58:03 EDT